Is the massive wake up call looming?

This unofficial St Kilda Saints fan forum is for people of all ages to chat Saints Footy and all posts must be respectful.

Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators

User avatar
White Winmar
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 5014
Joined: Tue 02 Jun 2009 10:02pm

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673301Post White Winmar »

saintspremiers wrote:
citywest wrote:This is by far our weakest team of the year. We are staring down the barrel of a 100 point drubbing this week unfortunately.
For some bizarre reason you have "mods protection", but it doesn't mean we don't know what you're really like.

Here's a challenge for you - if we win today, try and make a positive post after the game - that's if you're not too busy watching or attending the Dreamtime match.
:D :D :D


I started with nothing and I've got most of it left!
User avatar
meher baba
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6873
Joined: Mon 14 Aug 2006 6:49am
Location: Tasmania
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 405 times

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673313Post meher baba »

Returning to the subject of the thread. If we lose today, even if we lose quite badly, how is that going to be a wake up call? The Dogs are reigning premiers and have Stringer coming back in, who I reckon is one of the most underrated players in the comp: his aggression and confidence going forward is a key component of their swarming style.

We are an emerging team, with a really exciting midfield (saintsRrising will have to agree to disagree with me about that), a strong defence and an incredibly average forward line. The prospect of lining up on the 3 Ms - Membrey, McCartin and Minchington - will not be giving the Dogs defenders or their coach very much concern at all. I think the only worry the Dogs will have is that - because they have some of the same problems as us in terms of inconsistent kicking for goal - the game might end up being a bit of an arm wrestle in which the likes of Billings, Gresham and Acres might sneak forward and bag some crucial goals.


"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
User avatar
saintsRrising
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 30034
Joined: Mon 15 Mar 2004 11:07am
Location: Melbourne
Has thanked: 700 times
Been thanked: 1212 times

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673341Post saintsRrising »

Roughead in and Smith out.

SO so much for the Doggies having a small forward line.

Boyd will play key forward along with stringer.....with Rpugh and English alternating


Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
Darth Vader
Club Player
Posts: 559
Joined: Thu 15 Sep 2011 11:04pm
Has thanked: 45 times
Been thanked: 70 times

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673344Post Darth Vader »

meher baba wrote:Returning to the subject of the thread. If we lose today, even if we lose quite badly, how is that going to be a wake up call? The Dogs are reigning premiers and have Stringer coming back in, who I reckon is one of the most underrated players in the comp: his aggression and confidence going forward is a key component of their swarming style.

We are an emerging team, with a really exciting midfield (saintsRrising will have to agree to disagree with me about that), a strong defence and an incredibly average forward line. The prospect of lining up on the 3 Ms - Membrey, McCartin and Minchington - will not be giving the Dogs defenders or their coach very much concern at all. I think the only worry the Dogs will have is that - because they have some of the same problems as us in terms of inconsistent kicking for goal - the game might end up being a bit of an arm wrestle in which the likes of Billings, Gresham and Acres might sneak forward and bag some crucial goals.
Stringer can play, but underrated? Surely a typo. Anyone known as "The Package" doesn't suffer from being underrated.


User avatar
Johnny Member
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4157
Joined: Thu 05 Oct 2006 12:27pm
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673348Post Johnny Member »

saintsRrising wrote:Roughead in and Smith out.

SO so much for the Doggies having a small forward line.

Boyd will play key forward along with stringer.....with Rpugh and English alternating
I thought English was out?


citywest

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673500Post citywest »

Is this a wake up call??? YES.


User avatar
Johnny Member
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4157
Joined: Thu 05 Oct 2006 12:27pm
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673510Post Johnny Member »

Hmmmmm


User avatar
dragit
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 13047
Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
Has thanked: 605 times
Been thanked: 315 times

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673545Post dragit »

Johnny Member wrote:Hmmmmm
Soft bump…

Why would this be a wake up call?

We lost by 50 points last week to a side that was 2-6


User avatar
Johnny Member
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4157
Joined: Thu 05 Oct 2006 12:27pm
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673553Post Johnny Member »

dragit wrote:
Johnny Member wrote:Hmmmmm
Soft bump…

Why would this be a wake up call?

We lost by 50 points last week to a side that was 2-6
I didn't bump it.


And secondly, it's a wake up call for exact reasons I stated in the OP.


User avatar
meher baba
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 6873
Joined: Mon 14 Aug 2006 6:49am
Location: Tasmania
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 405 times

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673569Post meher baba »

It's bad enough losing without having to read your drivel. You're like the most annoying kid in class. If you'd been a character in Lord of the Flies, you wouldn't have lasted past Chapter One.


"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
User avatar
Johnny Member
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4157
Joined: Thu 05 Oct 2006 12:27pm
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673589Post Johnny Member »

meher baba wrote:It's bad enough losing without having to read your drivel. You're like the most annoying kid in class. If you'd been a character in Lord of the Flies, you wouldn't have lasted past Chapter One.
Firstly, you dont have to read it.


Secondly, 'drivel'??

Have you actually read it? Its almost precisely, word for word accurate.


User avatar
dragit
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 13047
Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
Has thanked: 605 times
Been thanked: 315 times

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673614Post dragit »

Johnny Member wrote:
meher baba wrote:It's bad enough losing without having to read your drivel. You're like the most annoying kid in class. If you'd been a character in Lord of the Flies, you wouldn't have lasted past Chapter One.
Firstly, you dont have to read it.


Secondly, 'drivel'??

Have you actually read it? Its almost precisely, word for word accurate.
Does it make you feel better about the loss thinking that you got it right?

You got pretty much everything wrong except for the result…

The Dogs went in tall

Longer had 55 hitouts and 18 disposals, 11 contested, 6 tackles, 4 clearances.

To have a wake up call you need a result that you weren't expecting… after a 50 point hiding last week you would probably assume that this is a pretty expected result.

Looking forward to another genial missive about the crows next game.


User avatar
Johnny Member
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 4157
Joined: Thu 05 Oct 2006 12:27pm
Been thanked: 1 time

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673687Post Johnny Member »

dragit wrote:
Johnny Member wrote:
meher baba wrote:It's bad enough losing without having to read your drivel. You're like the most annoying kid in class. If you'd been a character in Lord of the Flies, you wouldn't have lasted past Chapter One.
Firstly, you dont have to read it.


Secondly, 'drivel'??

Have you actually read it? Its almost precisely, word for word accurate.
Does it make you feel better about the loss thinking that you got it right?

You got pretty much everything wrong except for the result…

The Dogs went in tall

Longer had 55 hitouts and 18 disposals, 11 contested, 6 tackles, 4 clearances.

To have a wake up call you need a result that you weren't expecting… after a 50 point hiding last week you would probably assume that this is a pretty expected result.

Looking forward to another genial missive about the crows next game.
The Dogs went small up forward - which as per the OP killed us and rendered our tall defence that has served us well thus far - useless. Tom Boyd kicked 1 in the final quarter - he was the only tall to register on the scoreboard for them. They outsmarted us.

As per the OP, this will now be the blueprint against us. It worked - and we had no clue what to do about it.


We couldn't get the ball out of defence. We had no clue what to do with the pill coming out of defence once the corridor was protected. No clue at all. We've been worked out in that regard badly. Roberton is our only option back there to create some run. We seem to have neglected this position at our peril. It's the most important spot on the ground - and we suck at it. Selecting Savage again just shows how little weight we give it. Seriously, Montagna, Savage and Roberton. And we expect to setup goals how exactly??

Our 'bomb it in' strategy failed yet again. 50 points in a match. 50 FFS! 49 scoring shots and the best we can conjure up is 50 points in game of footy! The Dogs only had 58 and due to their small forward setup. We showed our hand against GWS, and haven't been able to score since. We've been worked out and have no clue how to address it. We've averaged 63 points per game since that night. 63!



The ruck wasn't too bad. Credit where it's due. Far from a strength and didn't give us any advantage at all - but Longer tried hard and was probably one of our best!



The result wasn't the wake up call - it's these areas which are glaring weaknesses for us that are getting exposed badly. It wasn't 'Oh but Carlton aren't easy beats anymore!' or 'Gee, Sydney are back in business now!' - it's us. We're s*** in too many areas and are getting exposed, and we don't have any answers to. That was the wake up call.


User avatar
dragit
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 13047
Joined: Tue 29 Jun 2010 11:56am
Has thanked: 605 times
Been thanked: 315 times

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1673732Post dragit »

Johnny Member wrote: Firstly, the Dogs are going small in their forward line this week.


If it works - it's the blueprint from hereon in. I fear it will work.
Just so we're clear here, these were the dogs changes…

Jordan Roughead 200cm - Travis Cloke 196 - +4cm
Tim English 205cm - Jack Redpath 194cm - +11cm
Jake Stringer 192 - Clay Smith 182cm +10cm
Shane Biggs 187cm - Lucas Webb 187cm - even

So an increase of 25cm over 3 players who either played forward or pushed Tom Boyd forward when rucking.


User avatar
rodgerfox
Saintsational Legend
Posts: 9059
Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 9:10am
Has thanked: 425 times
Been thanked: 327 times

Re: Is the massive wake up call looming?

Post: # 1729213Post rodgerfox »

Johnny Member wrote: Sat 27 May 2017 6:35pm
dragit wrote:
Johnny Member wrote:
meher baba wrote:It's bad enough losing without having to read your drivel. You're like the most annoying kid in class. If you'd been a character in Lord of the Flies, you wouldn't have lasted past Chapter One.
Firstly, you dont have to read it.


Secondly, 'drivel'??

Have you actually read it? Its almost precisely, word for word accurate.
Does it make you feel better about the loss thinking that you got it right?

You got pretty much everything wrong except for the result…

The Dogs went in tall

Longer had 55 hitouts and 18 disposals, 11 contested, 6 tackles, 4 clearances.

To have a wake up call you need a result that you weren't expecting… after a 50 point hiding last week you would probably assume that this is a pretty expected result.

Looking forward to another genial missive about the crows next game.
The Dogs went small up forward - which as per the OP killed us and rendered our tall defence that has served us well thus far - useless. Tom Boyd kicked 1 in the final quarter - he was the only tall to register on the scoreboard for them. They outsmarted us.

As per the OP, this will now be the blueprint against us. It worked - and we had no clue what to do about it.


We couldn't get the ball out of defence. We had no clue what to do with the pill coming out of defence once the corridor was protected. No clue at all. We've been worked out in that regard badly. Roberton is our only option back there to create some run. We seem to have neglected this position at our peril. It's the most important spot on the ground - and we suck at it. Selecting Savage again just shows how little weight we give it. Seriously, Montagna, Savage and Roberton. And we expect to setup goals how exactly??

Our 'bomb it in' strategy failed yet again. 50 points in a match. 50 FFS! 49 scoring shots and the best we can conjure up is 50 points in game of footy! The Dogs only had 58 and due to their small forward setup. We showed our hand against GWS, and haven't been able to score since. We've been worked out and have no clue how to address it. We've averaged 63 points per game since that night. 63!



The ruck wasn't too bad. Credit where it's due. Far from a strength and didn't give us any advantage at all - but Longer tried hard and was probably one of our best!



The result wasn't the wake up call - it's these areas which are glaring weaknesses for us that are getting exposed badly. It wasn't 'Oh but Carlton aren't easy beats anymore!' or 'Gee, Sydney are back in business now!' - it's us. We're s*** in too many areas and are getting exposed, and we don't have any answers to. That was the wake up call.
Seems the wake up call didn't wake everyone up.


The more I read these old posts, the more puzzled I am as to how Richardson is still employed? How can these glaring problems remain glaring problems with no accountability for them?


Post Reply