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Post: # 1707069Post parkeysainter »

http://m.saints.com.au/news/2017-11-17/ ... er-edition

I like it alot. Would take them both. I reckon if Fogarty was a Vic he would go higher.

Twomey knows his s*** when it comes to the draft and young talent.
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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707071Post Cordz2 »

That's not his phantom draft.
Thats his ranking of the top 30. Doesnt take into account Father/Son or picking for need rather than talent rank.
Next week we'll know who he picks for us.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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Close enough. Those 2 players may well get selected. Both can play midfield and have good skills.


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Post: # 1707074Post skeptic »

That draft order (I know it’s not his official phantom draft) is worst case scenario for me.
All the players I want gone by our picks.


I think what I want is Cerra and Brayshaw.
At best, one of them may slip through.

My guess is we def get Higgins and one of Cerra, Brayshaw, or Stephenson if they slip through


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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But Con reckons that Higgins is too small. Probably confusing him with Roy.


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Post: # 1707076Post Viking3 »

Using this draft indicator, and if Pies take Naughton as has been touted, we would be left with picking 2 from;
Bonar, Brayshaw, Clark, Coffield & Fogarty.
What a conundrum!!


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magnifisaint wrote:But Con reckons that Higgins is too small. Probably confusing him with Roy.
No one takes Con G seriously. I've barely seen him say a good word about anyone or anything, especially Sainters related.

Higgins should go top 10.


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parkeysainter wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:But Con reckons that Higgins is too small. Probably confusing him with Roy.
No one takes Con G seriously. I've barely seen him say a good word about anyone or anything, especially Sainters related.

Higgins should go top 10.
I don’t think we need another 178 cm small forward.
We already have Gresham, Lonie, Minchington and Wright with Billings a little bigger.
Surely we need outside midfielders with pace.


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Post: # 1707079Post skeptic »

I’ve flipped flopped on Higgins...

Originally didn’t rate him because some posts from earlier in the year suggested he was perhaps not damaging enough but by all accounts he knocked it out of the park this year.

Here are the facts (operative word - speculative facts perhaps) as presented in the readings out there.

Higgins has a good tank and work rate
By all accounts is dedicated.
Everything says that he has excellent disposal on both sides
Everything says that he is composed and makes good decisions.

The knock seems to be size and his ability (reading between the lines) to get a lot of ball when the game is slowed down. Doesn’t seem to be lightning quick either.

It seems without a doubt that he’s a proper footballer, and the type of player we’re lacking.

Reckon (for now at least) he’s a must at 8 unless a gem slips through.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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He's another Gresham. The same knocks on Higgins now were used on Gresh. If he's there, get him, I say.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

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Didn't Higgin's win the U/18 brownlow? He is a gun.

He can play both mid and forward. If picked, he would eventually slip into the midfield like Gresham ultimately will. Who cares if we have Lonie, Meatball, etc. already as small forwards. Higgins will take their spot.

People forget that nearly every player picked in the draft were onballers during their junior years. Its not really until they start playing elite footy at u/17 and u/18 level that they get moved into other positions due to the plethora of talent.


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Post: # 1707083Post skeptic »

The interesting question is who will be available at our picks... that’s the conversation.

I’ve not bothered watching/reading anything Rayner, LDU, and Dow... clearly not in the conversation for us. Nearly all phantom drafts have them as top 3 with the odd one having one snapped up at fourth. If by some miracle, one slides further they go at 5 for sure.
FWIW, IMO Rayner is the man.

In that next group are Cerra, Fogarty, Brayshaw, Stephenson, Clark, Coffield and Naughton

And in many drafts Higgins and Bonair find their way into the top 10 with the former often earmarked around 12 and the latter closer to 17


Now Cerra is an interesting one...stoppage beast, good size, tough, marking mid with good endurance, looks set to make it.
He’s def my fav but I note that he’s not overly fast and I wonder he’s actually what we need.
I reckon it’s all moot though coz there is at most an outside chance he makes it to 7. Has been touted as high as 3, most phantoms have him going at 4... feel like his stocks have dropped a bit over the last fortnight.

Stephenson started at around pick 7, his stocks seemed to initially drop a touch but most seem to have him firmly in the top 5, maybe 6th now even with the heart issue. Knock on his disposal and consistency

I reckon they’re out.

The one that’s hard to read is Brayshaw... we’ve been linked to him since the start but it feels as though his stocks have risen markedly over the last week... was originally 6-10 but seems almost a top 5 cert based on what is being written.

Reckon Naughton is not for us...

So it’s 2 of Brayshaw, Coffield, Fogarty, Clark or Higgins IMO


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Post: # 1707084Post skeptic »

parkeysainter wrote:Didn't Higgin's win the U/18 brownlow? He is a gun.

He can play both mid and forward. If picked, he would eventually slip into the midfield like Gresham ultimately will. Who cares if we have Lonie, Meatball, etc. already as small forwards. Higgins will take their spot.

People forget that nearly every player picked in the draft were onballers during their junior years. Its not really until they start playing elite footy at u/17 and u/18 level that they get moved into other positions due to the plethora of talent.
I think the other thing worth noting is that whilst we have Lonie, Wright, Minchington, and Gresh... of them, only Gresh is a cert to be there in 12 months.

It’s highly unlikely that Wright makes it, there’s real doubts on whether Lonie is good enough and whilst IMO Dasher is criminally underrated his consistency is a problem. All 3 could be out soon enough.


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Post: # 1707085Post WellardSaint »

parkeysainter wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:But Con reckons that Higgins is too small. Probably confusing him with Roy.
No one takes Con G seriously. I've barely seen him say a good word about anyone or anything, especially Sainters related.

Higgins should go top 10.
Con G is one of my fav posters.
He's no fanboi buying up all the spin like some others.
He's a realist- not a blue-sky man!

I like him


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Post: # 1707087Post sunsaint »

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parkeysainter wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:But Con reckons that Higgins is too small. Probably confusing him with Roy.
No one takes Con G seriously. I've barely seen him say a good word about anyone or anything, especially Sainters related.

Higgins should go top 10.
I don’t think we need another 178 cm small forward.
We already have Gresham, Lonie, Minchington and Wright with Billings a little bigger.
Surely we need outside midfielders with pace.
I agree wholeheartedly
I hope our small lighter guys make it but they don't fit the mould of the current crop of the games best on-ballers


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707088Post WellardSaint »

skeptic wrote:
parkeysainter wrote:Didn't Higgin's win the U/18 brownlow? He is a gun.

He can play both mid and forward. If picked, he would eventually slip into the midfield like Gresham ultimately will. Who cares if we have Lonie, Meatball, etc. already as small forwards. Higgins will take their spot.

People forget that nearly every player picked in the draft were onballers during their junior years. Its not really until they start playing elite footy at u/17 and u/18 level that they get moved into other positions due to the plethora of talent.
I think the other thing worth noting is that whilst we have Lonie, Wright, Minchington, and Gresh... of them, only Gresh is a cert to be there in 12 months.

It’s highly unlikely that Wright makes it, there’s real doubts on whether Lonie is good enough and whilst IMO Dasher is criminally underrated his consistency is a problem. All 3 could be out soon enough.
Wright's been in the system for a while, and we can't deny his heart n endeavour, but it's not really enough.
He doesn't have an impact.
Meatball hasn't shown consistency...Lonie is probably on his last chance?
So pick this one up, nothing to lose IMHO


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Post: # 1707092Post DJ Higgins »

I am one of the few to put him out there but I like Noughton. I am not buying our new back row depth because Goddard is training again and Logan joined us for a handshake and a pack of chips. He is a Key defensive player, which we need especially if Carlisle or Brown cant play long term. I will be surprised if we get him but far from upset.

I agree with others that the top 3 are pretty much set Rayner, LDU and Dow.
Higgins is an interesting one. He was rated #1 in certain polls due to his stats which may have included a lot of points from no impact plays. But he can kick goals and he is incredibly driven. Extra training and hiring specialist himself and he is good, just small We have other small players but not for much loner I hope. I think Lonie, Wright and Minch either have brilliant seasons or leave so another small player wont matter soon. Plus how many times last year did you wish our small forwards could kick a f@$king goal. He can and does regularly.

Cerra will be good but slow compared to others plus he will be gone before 7. So will Brayshaw unfortunately as I would have him in a heartbeat.
Stephenson has heart issues and poor field kicking so I prefer others. Fogarty doesn't seem to have found his position yet which is better for other clubs. I don't think he is an outside mid from what i have read and that is what we need
which leave Clark & Coffield who both seem to have a good basis to build on but no x factor.

So it will be Higgins for me at pick 7 and roll a dice for pick 8. Bring on the draft
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Post: # 1707095Post older saint »

If top 3 are set ( order pending)
i see it falling

Brayshaw - North
Stephenson - Freo ( could go a big )
Naughton - Collingwood ( need a big)

Leaves for us Cerra, Bonar, Clark, Fogarty , Higgins,Coffield

My guess best player of the group first - i would take Cerra
We need players with X factor badly this is a position to take Bonar, or Clark . Bit of risk but we cant play safe forever. If freo take Cerra then i expect Stephenson will be one pick and they would dthen look at Higgins or Coffield or clark


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DJ Higgins wrote:I am one of the few to put him out there but I like Noughton. I am not buying or new back row depth because Goddard is training again and Logan joined us for a handshake and a pack of chips. He is a Key defensive player, which we need especially if Carlisle or Brown cant play long term. I will be surprised if we get him but far from upset.

I agree with others that the top 3 are pretty much set Rayner, LDU and Dow.
Higgins is an interesting one. He was rated #1 in certain polls due to his stats may have included a lot of his points from no impact plays. But he can kick goals and he is incredibly driven. Extra training and hiring specialist himself and he is good, just small We have other small players but not for much loner I hope. I think Lonie, Wright and Minch either have brilliant seasons or leave so another small player want matter soon. PLus how many tiems last year did you wish our small forwards could kick a f@$king goal. He can and does regularily

Cerra will be good but slow compared to others plus he will be gone before 7. So will Brayshaw unfortunately as I would have him in a heartbeat.
Stephenson has heart issues and poor field kicking so I prefer others. Fogarty doesn't seem to have found his position yet which is better for other clubs. I don't think he is an outside mid from what i have read and that is what we need
which leave Clark & Coffield who both seem to have a good basis to build on but no x factor.

So it will be Higgins for me at pick 7 and roll a dice for pick 8. Bring on the draft
Its tipped Naughton will go to the Pies. I hear what you're saying but I don't think a high draft pick spent on a key back is what we need right now. It might be in 2-3 years time though. Maybe Austin and/or Goddard will suprise us all anyway. That would be a huge bonus.


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Re: Cal Twomey picks Fogarty and Higgins for Saints

Post: # 1707097Post samoht »

If we are going to miss the best of the conventially sized mids in this draft (the best of the 180cm-190cm tall ones), maybe we should consider Higgins (he's a prolific ball winner) and then go for someone like Coffield or Naughton or even Oscar Allen (the 191cm Gunston-sized forward who moves well and looks quite clever).
Go for one mid with our pick 7, and then one of the best available players (not a mid) with our pick 8. Coffield and Naughton may even develop into big-bodied midfielders - and even if they don't, they will be quality defenders. Allen will be a quality third-tall forward - looks quite agile and can take a good mark.

re: our midfield ..
Dunstan was improving late in the season, hopefully Gresham will further improve this year (post his operation) - and there's always next year for the better-conventially sized mids.


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If Brayshaw or Cerra are there at 7, I don't mind if we take Naughton or Stephenson at 8.
Both look good. Stephenson got the X factor we desperately need and Naughton looks a terrific KPD.

If both Cerra and Brayshaw are there
....we take both.


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WellardSaint wrote:
parkeysainter wrote:
magnifisaint wrote:But Con reckons that Higgins is too small. Probably confusing him with Roy.
No one takes Con G seriously. I've barely seen him say a good word about anyone or anything, especially Sainters related.

Higgins should go top 10.
Con G is one of my fav posters.
He's no fanboi buying up all the spin like some others.
He's a realist- not a blue-sky man!

I like him
Why because he's got nothing decent or positive to say about the Saints? When he backs those things up with evidence people might start to take notice.


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Post: # 1707121Post mad saint guy »

Stephenson and Clark are the two I'm realistically hoping for. Stephenson has genuine game breaking athleticism, pace and goal nous. Clark is just a complete midfielder - strong and aggressive on the inside while incredibly clean and effective on the outside.

If I were picking for St Kilda this would be my list - honestly I'd be very happy with any combination of these 8 players. Really hoping our recruiters don't outsmart themselves and pick someone with amazing athletic potential who hasn't got a lot of strong form behind them (ie: steer clear of Murphy, Fogarty and Bonar). Just pick the kids who have performed best and have traits that will work for them at senior level.

1. LDU
2. Dow
3. Stephenson
4. Rayner
5. Cerra
6. Clark
7. Brayshaw
8. Coffield


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parkeysainter wrote:http://m.saints.com.au/news/2017-11-17/ ... er-edition

I like it alot. Would take them both. I reckon if Fogarty was a Vic he would go higher.

Twomey knows his s*** when it comes to the draft and young talent.
Interestingly, he doesnt link either of them to St.Kilda. From the article and taking his order into consideration, I read that Coffield and Clark look likely.


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