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Drake Huggins wrote:Unfortunately, SP, you have a habit of pointing out uncomfortable truths. That man, who should never have been drafted by us in the first place, and cost us two flags because GT couldn't get past his Jesuit man love of a Xavier boy, then committed the ultimate disgrace by finally pulling his finger out and becoming the player he should've always been with us, doing it for the filth. I never want to hear from him again. Now plying his trade at the dopers. How appropriate. All the best, Luke. See you next Tuesday.
Your view is a bit harsh on our former captain.


The way I see it that s*** Ross Lyin cost us twp flags by not playing Ball, who he didn't like because he was a lot smarter than him, in the 4th quarter in 09 and by pissing Ball off so much he played against us in 2010.


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saynta wrote:
Drake Huggins wrote:Unfortunately, SP, you have a habit of pointing out uncomfortable truths. That man, who should never have been drafted by us in the first place, and cost us two flags because GT couldn't get past his Jesuit man love of a Xavier boy, then committed the ultimate disgrace by finally pulling his finger out and becoming the player he should've always been with us, doing it for the filth. I never want to hear from him again. Now plying his trade at the dopers. How appropriate. All the best, Luke. See you next Tuesday.
Your view is a bit harsh on our former captain.


The way I see it that s*** Ross Lyin cost us twp flags by not playing Ball, who he didn't like because he was a lot smarter than him, in the 4th quarter in 09 and by pissing Ball off so much he played against us in 2010.
Bit harsh on Ball I reckon too. He was a good servant of the club and fantastic leader. IMO, Lyon the arrogant bastard stuffed him over a bit in the end.

Ball is a very smart cookie and his intelligence levels were way above the average footballer and person on the street. That isn't his fault and he was always going to be more sucessful outside of footy.


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Post: # 1711403Post SaintPav »

Agree, he was a fine servant etc but Ball's heart wasn't in it in 2009. Watched him closely in a few games and it looked to me like he was jogging around and just going through the motions. He was in the departure lounge halfway through the season and was halfway out the door. Wouldn't, couldn't spread and do the required gut running that Lyon wanted to implement his game plan and press that won us 19 consecutive games. That's why he got dropped during the season and that's why the coach did not play him in the second half of the GF. For whatever reason, Lyon lost confidence in him; the game was on the line and he felt that he just couldn't cut the mustard. The reason Lyon gave that he just forgot to play him in the second half of the GF was just a lame excuse. Working class coach from Reservoir didn't like private school boys who thought they had a sense of entitlement. Not saying that it was right, just saying what happened.

Tony or Jaxons can confirm this because I am pretty certain it is true.


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But surely Ball’s heart (potentially) not being in it comes back to the coach...

His heart was in it for GT and Malthouse.

I agree that being forgotten to be played in the second half of the 09 GF is a lame and likely made up excuse but it points to me that perhaps dealing with players is clearly an issue... especially given that Luke was one of our better players in the first half


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SaintPav wrote:. Working class coach from Reservoir didn't like private school boys who thought they had a sense of entitlement. Not saying that it was right, just saying what happened.

Tony or Jaxons can confirm this because I am pretty certain it is true.
Rubbish he had ,no problem with Goddard and BG's got the biggest ego in the game


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A harsh assessment by me, but i can't get past tbe circumstances in which left, shafting us, with the filth's significant assistance. I agree with SP. Ball was on his way to the filth during the 2009 season. He betrayed the club and his mates he'd pledged his loyalty to. Sure, he's allowed to seek the best deal possible, it's just the way he went about it that says so much. He was a very good player, not a great one. Not even close to Judd. What might have been.


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skeptic wrote:But surely Ball’s heart (potentially) not being in it comes back to the coach...

His heart was in it for GT and Malthouse.

I agree that being forgotten to be played in the second half of the 09 GF is a lame and likely made up excuse but it points to me that perhaps dealing with players is clearly an issue... especially given that Luke was one of our better players in the first half
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sunsaint wrote:
SaintPav wrote:. Working class coach from Reservoir didn't like private school boys who thought they had a sense of entitlement. Not saying that it was right, just saying what happened.

Tony or Jaxons can confirm this because I am pretty certain it is true.
Rubbish he had ,no problem with Goddard and BG's got the biggest ego in the game
Both come from completely different backgrounds.


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SaintPav wrote:. Working class coach from Reservoir didn't like private school boys who thought they had a sense of entitlement. Not saying that it was right, just saying what happened.

Tony or Jaxons can confirm this because I am pretty certain it is true.
Rubbish he had ,no problem with Goddard and BG's got the biggest ego in the game
Both come from completely different backgrounds.
Oh boy so it IS a religious thing you're on your own there
For the record because we seem to have issues with the use of the word Elite
I think all AFL clubs have Elite fitness some maybe a little more than the other Elite fitness clubs but still Elite.
Reason being is yes I believe a game strategy that runs round the outside of our zone and corral game plan must have a little more Elite fitness than our Elite fitness.


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Drake Huggins wrote:A harsh assessment by me, but i can't get past tbe circumstances in which left, shafting us, with the filth's significant assistance. I agree with SP. Ball was on his way to the filth during the 2009 season. He betrayed the club and his mates he'd pledged his loyalty to. Sure, he's allowed to seek the best deal possible, it's just the way he went about it that says so much. He was a very good player, not a great one. Not even close to Judd. What might have been.
My understanding was that there was an issue with Ball's inability to recuperate after a game in a timely fashion which meant he couldn't sustain his fitness level (from pre-season).
The fitness staff devised the plan which saw him dropped mid season from the senior team to concentrate on a 'block' of training to recapture fitness. What transpired after that I don't know but Ball was well aware of the 'fitness plan'.
Personally I have no problem with any player making decisions on where they want to play.
BUT, the way Ball allowed his management to 'belittle' our Club and Coach and his subsequent actions in getting to Collingwood left a very bad image of his character in my mind.
There is no doubt in my mind that Ball decided his future lay at Collingwood and then proceeded to do everything/anything to get there.
St. Kilda, the club he 'bled for' and who looked after him so well was totally ignored by him (and his management) in his desire to get what he wanted.
History has judged him as a Collingwood premiership player, so his departure certainly gave him what he wanted.
Maybe if he had gone through what the Saints had asked of him he would have been a St Kilda premiership player and lauded by all Saints fans?


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SaintPav wrote:
sunsaint wrote:
SaintPav wrote:. Working class coach from Reservoir didn't like private school boys who thought they had a sense of entitlement. Not saying that it was right, just saying what happened.

Tony or Jaxons can confirm this because I am pretty certain it is true.
Rubbish he had ,no problem with Goddard and BG's got the biggest ego in the game
Both come from completely different backgrounds.
Oh boy so it IS a religious thing you're on your own there
For the record because we seem to have issues with the use of the word Elite
I think all AFL clubs have Elite fitness some maybe a little more than the other Elite fitness clubs but still Elite.
Reason being is yes I believe a game strategy that runs round the outside of our zone and corral game plan must have a little more Elite fitness than our Elite fitness.
Class, not religion.

Ball’s parents hobnobbed with Collins St brigade. BJ family were blue collar.

No issue with that but there is a difference.


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Indeed. Ball's parents were Catholic (Russo, played and went to school with the relos)royalty, with Ray being an ex AFL player who was well connected at the big end of town. Goddard was a boy from Gippsland, who through sheer hard work and natural ability lifted himself out of some pretty average circumstances. I know who I'd like in the trenches next to me, when the fit hits the Shan.


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SaintPav wrote:
skeptic wrote:But surely Ball’s heart (potentially) not being in it comes back to the coach...

His heart was in it for GT and Malthouse.

I agree that being forgotten to be played in the second half of the 09 GF is a lame and likely made up excuse but it points to me that perhaps dealing with players is clearly an issue... especially given that Luke was one of our better players in the first half
Probably the most overrated half of football ever discussed on this site.
Sure but he still should have played... it was garbage coaching that reeks of weird emotional regulation and it pbly cost us the ultimate


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Drake Huggins wrote:A harsh assessment by me, but i can't get past tbe circumstances in which left, shafting us, with the filth's significant assistance. I agree with SP. Ball was on his way to the filth during the 2009 season. He betrayed the club and his mates he'd pledged his loyalty to. Sure, he's allowed to seek the best deal possible, it's just the way he went about it that says so much. He was a very good player, not a great one. Not even close to Judd. What might have been.
Whilst I can’t and won’t defend the way he left our club...

I reckon his position at our club was a lot more unattenable than we’re aware of and that most would have us believe

In Missions book they really emphasised that they didn’t believe he was capable of producing anymore, btw that, being benched inexplicably for a half and so forth it’s pretty clear at the least that he wasn’t as rated internally and pushed out more than ppl think


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For the record how many AFL flags has Misson been associated with?
Same number as master-coach Lyon?
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whiskers3614 wrote:For the record how many AFL flags has Misson been associated with?
Same number as master-coach Lyon?
Can both GAGF!
Misson and RL came as close as anyone since Yabby.


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In the Ball/Goddard stakes, I want to point out the pertinent. One played on with a broken nose, collarbone and concussionin the 2009 Gf, while the Xavier boy sat on the bench crying in 2009 and was on the side of the enemy when Goddard tried to drag us over the line in 2010. A Xavier boy, through and through. "Men for men" is their motto. Sounds more like the title of a homosexual porno movie than a rallying cry for young men. My son was sent there on a scholarship in years 7-9. I pulled him out after that. The most sickening, elitist arseholes I've ever met in my life. My boy is an IT engineer now doing very well. No thanks to those Jesuit hypocrites and sexual predators.


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Smart dude knacker ball, he realised there was no glory playing for shitkilda, now he is a premiership player. :roll: :roll:

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Wayne42 wrote:Smart dude knacker ball, he realised there was no glory playing for shitkilda, now he is a premiership player. :roll: :roll:
Yep. A Xavier man, through and through. They taught him well. :roll:


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Drake Huggins wrote:In the Ball/Goddard stakes, I want to point out the pertinent. One played on with a broken nose, collarbone and concussionin the 2009 Gf, while the Xavier boy sat on the bench crying in 2009 and was on the side of the enemy when Goddard tried to drag us over the line in 2010. A Xavier boy, through and through. "Men for men" is their motto. Sounds more like the title of a homosexual porno movie than a rallying cry for young men. My son was sent there on a scholarship in years 7-9. I pulled him out after that. The most sickening, elitist arseholes I've ever met in my life. My boy is an IT engineer now doing very well. No thanks to those Jesuit hypocrites and sexual predators.
I’m sorry but I find this post perplexing...
Ball didn’t exactly choose to sit on the bench. The coach “forgot” about him after a good first half. You can hardly sink the boots into Luke about that.

As for the comparison with Goddard, he may not have found premiership success with the injectors but Brendan was a wanted player and couldn’t get out of the club fast enough after our push for the flag was over. He could have been Captain, could have led the rebuild... but he jumped at more money and his perception of a chance at a premiership...
No loyalty there whatsoever.

At least with Ball’s exit, it was clear that the coach didn’t want him... he read the tea leaves, form over the year wasn’t his best, was battling injuries, our fitness staff didn’t rate his prospects, we didn’t have the resources of the bigger clubs to manage him better, and the coach really disliked him...
Got a better offer and took it. I would have too.


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whiskers3614 wrote:For the record how many AFL flags has Misson been associated with?
Same number as master-coach Lyon?
Can both GAGF!
Misson and RL came as close as anyone since Yabby.
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skeptic wrote:
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skeptic wrote:But surely Ball’s heart (potentially) not being in it comes back to the coach...

His heart was in it for GT and Malthouse.

I agree that being forgotten to be played in the second half of the 09 GF is a lame and likely made up excuse but it points to me that perhaps dealing with players is clearly an issue... especially given that Luke was one of our better players in the first half
Probably the most overrated half of football ever discussed on this site.
Sure but he still should have played... it was garbage coaching that reeks of weird emotional regulation and it pbly cost us the ultimate
It was a colossal f*ck up on Lyon’s part.

Thompson’s move of Bartel onto Lenny was the move that won the game. What did Lyon do? Lyon’s plan was to kick it long to Roo and Kosi and leave us down a rotation. Brilliant!

Lyon’s Plan B sucked!


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SaintPav wrote:
skeptic wrote:
SaintPav wrote:
skeptic wrote:But surely Ball’s heart (potentially) not being in it comes back to the coach...

His heart was in it for GT and Malthouse.

I agree that being forgotten to be played in the second half of the 09 GF is a lame and likely made up excuse but it points to me that perhaps dealing with players is clearly an issue... especially given that Luke was one of our better players in the first half
Probably the most overrated half of football ever discussed on this site.
Sure but he still should have played... it was garbage coaching that reeks of weird emotional regulation and it pbly cost us the ultimate
It was a colossal f*ck up on Lyon’s part.

Thompson’s move of Bartel onto Lenny was the move that won the game. What did Lyon do? Lyon’s plan was to kick it long to Roo and Kosi and leave us down a rotation. Brilliant!

Lyon’s Plan B sucked!
Agree on all points.

Somebody should have run through Bartel and we would have won by 5 goals.
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skeptic wrote:
Drake Huggins wrote:In the Ball/Goddard stakes, I want to point out the pertinent. One played on with a broken nose, collarbone and concussionin the 2009 Gf, while the Xavier boy sat on the bench crying in 2009 and was on the side of the enemy when Goddard tried to drag us over the line in 2010. A Xavier boy, through and through. "Men for men" is their motto. Sounds more like the title of a homosexual porno movie than a rallying cry for young men. My son was sent there on a scholarship in years 7-9. I pulled him out after that. The most sickening, elitist arseholes I've ever met in my life. My boy is an IT engineer now doing very well. No thanks to those Jesuit hypocrites and sexual predators.
I’m sorry but I find this post perplexing...
Ball didn’t exactly choose to sit on the bench. The coach “forgot” about him after a good first half. You can hardly sink the boots into Luke about that.

As for the comparison with Goddard, he may not have found premiership success with the injectors but Brendan was a wanted player and couldn’t get out of the club fast enough after our push for the flag was over. He could have been Captain, could have led the rebuild... but he jumped at more money and his perception of a chance at a premiership...
No loyalty there whatsoever.

At least with Ball’s exit, it was clear that the coach didn’t want him... he read the tea leaves, form over the year wasn’t his best, was battling injuries, our fitness staff didn’t rate his prospects, we didn’t have the resources of the bigger clubs to manage him better, and the coach really disliked him...
Got a better offer and took it. I would have too.
I think the humour in this rant is DH believes the fault lies with ball and not the coach who played a clearly injured effected player
And balls tears are due to some homo Xavier influence while Goddard's manly tears are because of a macho Caulfield latin motto
Obviously has no problems with the way Goddard and Lyon left the club.
If was ball I would have been on the phone to my manager half way up the race after 09 GF


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