Statement from the Club re: Mediation

[Sobraz]

Agree 100% with P66 and RF on this one....

There is nothing to be gained in using muscle against this girl, who is clearly troubled, and is likely to attempt to bite back harder if we try to fight fire with her...

She has nothing to really lose, yet we have heaps... The longer this dragged on, the worse our club looks...

Despite the standing our ground perspective and not bending to a immature and probably deranged young girl, the PR battle is all that matters...

As was mentioned earlier, perception is reality in these circumstances, and IMO it is a smart and just in time business decision to pacify the issue...

We all are aware of what the reality really is, and in a fair and just world this girl would be percieved and punished accordingly, but with media and public opinion being so far detached from what really goes on in the world, both football and generally, we are right to make the sensible move and play the game...

Well done Saints, and not a minute too soon...

[avid]

[quote="B W and R all over"]I'd prefer that my membership money doesn't go towards helping this destructive, hateful, manipulative person out.

I'd prefer not too.
But it's better than using it to provoke this destructive, hateful, manipulative person.
And better than paying lawyers to sledge-hammer this self-destructive, confused young woman too.

Definitely the right way to go.
Far more constructive, far cleaner, far cheaper.
(probably)

[Quixote]

Like it or not it was pretty much the only thing we could do, and, it was a step in the right direction, PR wise.

This girl simply had to be placated, and it seems like she's going to toe the line.

I'd imagine agreements have been signed, and I'd strongly suggest they guard against any further 'outbursts' from this lass and this whole sad, sordid, distracting and damaging saga can be put to bed. So to speak.

[stinger]

we haven't heard the last of her i'm afraid.....

[GrumpyOne]

we haven't heard the last of her i'm afraid.....

Stinger is 100% right.

All we have done is procrastinate judgement day for her.

One light on the horizon..... It's individuals who are sueing her for damages, not the Club. I hope they still continue with the case.

[plugger66]

we haven't heard the last of her i'm afraid.....

Stinger is 100% right.

All we have done is procrastinate judgement day for her.

One light on the horizon..... It's individuals who are sueing her for damages, not the Club. I hope they still continue with the case.

Well I hope they dont sue. Nothing to be gained. Goes to court and we hear the details. Not sure Sam Gilbert needs that. Also the difference now is if the girl does continue to speak she will look the bad guy instead of us. Surely you can see that.

[GrumpyOne]

we haven't heard the last of her i'm afraid.....

Stinger is 100% right.

All we have done is procrastinate judgement day for her.

One light on the horizon..... It's individuals who are sueing her for damages, not the Club. I hope they still continue with the case.

Well I hope they dont sue. Nothing to be gained. Goes to court and we hear the details. Not sure Sam Gilbert needs that. Also the difference now is if the girl does continue to speak she will look the bad guy instead of us. Surely you can see that.

You are attributing to this girl intelligence, logic and a sense of moral propriety she clearly by example does not have.

Needs the living bejesus scared out of her. Discontinuing the case now will see her become a social identity on Dancing with the Stars or some other sort of mindless pap. Perhaps a spot on neighbours now that Big Brother has gone.

She has not been silenced...... mark my words on that.

[plugger66]

we haven't heard the last of her i'm afraid.....

Stinger is 100% right.

All we have done is procrastinate judgement day for her.

One light on the horizon..... It's individuals who are sueing her for damages, not the Club. I hope they still continue with the case.

Well I hope they dont sue. Nothing to be gained. Goes to court and we hear the details. Not sure Sam Gilbert needs that. Also the difference now is if the girl does continue to speak she will look the bad guy instead of us. Surely you can see that.

You are attributing to this girl intelligence, logic and a sense of moral propriety she clearly by example does not have.

Needs the living bejesus scared out of her. Discontinuing the case now will see her become a social identity on Dancing with the Stars or some other sort of mindless pap. Perhaps a spot on neighbours now that Big Brother has gone.

She has not been silenced...... mark my words on that.

So who cares. She wasnt even slightly silenced before and that was making us look bad. If she now speaks out against our club it will make her look bad but not us because we have been seen to do the right thing. As for what she ends up doing, why does that matter to our club.

[ozrulestrace]

I've come to conclusion this girl has turned into a one person growth industry, from the St Kilda Football Club, to the Federal Court, to other agencies who've had dealings with her over the past 12 or so months and I assume there will have been plenty of "dealings" with her .

However I hope there are two main points the club has stipulated as part of this agreement to both her and legal representatives, guardians (due to no parents on the scene) as she is still under age.

The rent the club is paying for will no be paid directly to her, but to her guardians, and/or the landlord for this property. Any damage done to the said property by her and her guests will be paid for by her and not St KFC.

We're not covering any of her other legal fees. That's for her to deal with.

I realise people are upset, and I'm not thrilled with the problems she has created, but the club has squeezed out of her the admission about Sam Gilbert did not contact her at the school clinic and the contact took place at the Sydney game.

[bergsone]

Give her what she deserves...NOTHING

[golden hawk]

So lovely comments on this thread.

Hoping the girl dies, calling her a sl*t because she slept with more than one male (if a bloke does that he is a hero ), a bitch, a moll, etc etc.

The people who made these comments are at the same level they accuse this girl of being at.

Fools and ignoramouses.

The girl needed help, lawyer have obviously gotten through to her and shown that her destructive ways would hurt her in the future.

The Saints have come out looking good with the settlement of a couple of hundred bucks to help her out.

The girl looks foolish, and has admitted lying about a host of things and has lost any sympathy she may have been getting.

So to the dills who abuse her and call her a sl*t, I hope you dont mind when your kids are labelled that.

And the judgemental garbage about her parents. There is a person on this forum (not me) who knows her father well, and he is distraught about his daughter and the way she is acting. they have tried everything and cant control her.

With two girls of my own at around the same age, I have nothing but empathy for the parents, and there but by the grace of god go I.

About time some of you judgement fools examined your own motives for wishing the death of a young girl of abusing her as a sl*t.

Really disappointing but typical of internet hero's.

she does need help for sure and it is sad that she is pushing her family away at the moment which i hope she stops doing and realises she needs them , i don't like what she did but i would never threaten her with what some are doing that is wrong yes in a way i think she should be sued for what she did but that won't really help her .

hopefully it is the end of it for both club and her now they have done the mediation thing

[bigred]

AGM coming up.

Methinks this topic may be raised.

[Richter]

By continuing the line that we (the club) were going along, it was giving this girl the motivation to continue seeking attention. She calls it "respect"; whatever you want to call it, by only applying the 'stick' approach, it spurred her on even more attention seeking behaviour.

The way this story was looking like turning out (and may still do) was not pretty.

Young, homeless girl, estranged from parents, spurned by partners, multiple drug using, loathed by many members of society, possible mental health issues, certainly psychological developmental ones, possibly lost unborn children....

... the next headline could easily be... "St Kilda girl in overdose drama"...

Of course there is the risk that what we have done merely encourages poor behaviour, but do we really want to be complicit (or be seen to be complicit) in triggering the sort of headline that I mention above?

[Enrico_Misso]

So we have rewarded her bad behaviour.
Given her some credibility.

And when her free board is over and she is back on the streets where she belongs - what then?

[Dr Spaceman]

So we have rewarded her bad behaviour.
Given her some credibility.

And when her free board is over and she is back on the streets where she belongs - what then?

Well if that happens then I suppose we're back to where we were. Hopefully in a stronger position though given our attempts to help her and her written and spoken admissions.

Look, I feel the same away about her as you EM.

But I'm also realistic enough to know that the footy starts in less than 4 weeks and some attempt to make the issue go away needed to be made. With this deal the problem either does go away at best, or at worst more people are likely to see her for what she is if she fires up her campaign again.

This season is going to be hard enough as it is. To give her nothing and pursue legal action would have meant the whole thing drags on throughout 2011 and probably beyond. And if that were to happen then IMO you could write off this season.

Yes the whole thing, including the "deal", makes my skin crawl! However I have no choice other than to suck it up. Whether you and others do likewise is of course a personal decision.

[matrix]

After party at mine anyone? (2 minutes ago via Mobile Web )

[Moods]

So lovely comments on this thread.

Hoping the girl dies, calling her a sl*t because she slept with more than one male (if a bloke does that he is a hero ), a bitch, a moll, etc etc.

The people who made these comments are at the same level they accuse this girl of being at.

Fools and ignoramouses.

The girl needed help, lawyer have obviously gotten through to her and shown that her destructive ways would hurt her in the future.

The Saints have come out looking good with the settlement of a couple of hundred bucks to help her out.

The girl looks foolish, and has admitted lying about a host of things and has lost any sympathy she may have been getting.

So to the dills who abuse her and call her a sl*t, I hope you dont mind when your kids are labelled that.

And the judgemental garbage about her parents. There is a person on this forum (not me) who knows her father well, and he is distraught about his daughter and the way she is acting. they have tried everything and cant control her.

With two girls of my own at around the same age, I have nothing but empathy for the parents, and there but by the grace of god go I.

About time some of you judgement fools examined your own motives for wishing the death of a young girl of abusing her as a sl*t.

Really disappointing but typical of internet hero's.

A massive plus 1 from me Joffa.

While I am not sympathiser to the girl for her actions, I do believe she is in serious need of help.

Something major has happened to her for her to start acting in this manner. You only had to look at her now defunct facebook page. She was the normal typical teenager and then all of a sudden the pics and posts began to change to what we see today.

Good on the Club for offering assistance. I just hope it is actually used for good and doesn't turn around and bite us on the bum.

Yep agree with this, and thought from the start that this is what the club should have done. many are still understandably angry, but in any mediation there is compromise.

[stinger]

By continuing the line that we (the club) were going along, it was giving this girl the motivation to continue seeking attention. She calls it "respect"; whatever you want to call it, by only applying the 'stick' approach, it spurred her on even more attention seeking behaviour.

The way this story was looking like turning out (and may still do) was not pretty.

Young, homeless girl, estranged from parents, spurned by partners, multiple drug using, loathed by many members of society, possible mental health issues, certainly psychological developmental ones, possibly lost unborn children....

... the next headline could easily be... "St Kilda girl in overdose drama"...

Of course there is the risk that what we have done merely encourages poor behaviour, but do we really want to be complicit (or be seen to be complicit) in triggering the sort of headline that I mention above?

she was heading down that track......she has multiple scars on her arms and wrists from self harm...she has also been done for shoplifting.....

[stairwaytoheaven]

This reminds me of the Corey Worthington story except he he hurt is own family. This outcome really riles me, i can't understand why they would pay for an appartment for her, if she breaks the rules while in apartment they should throw the book at her and i can't wait to see her face. She knows what she is doing and she loves the attention.
I am a parent myself we have three teenage children i'd be devasted if one of our kids did this. i guess we can say that we are lucky that they are level headed kids and think before they act.

[matrix]

the club were obviously advised by pr.
while i think we shouldnt do anything for this troublemaking brain dead attention seeker (who in hell tweets that someone needs to call 000 for her, as shes outside hungry jacks and shes farked...good lord)

i can see why the club did it
do i like it? no.
but if they do this nice thing and then she just goes and totally screws it up somehow then are we are to look as stupid as her for agreeing to help?
if she becomes a total screw up more than she is now would we still look as stupid and as heartless if we didnt try and help?

damned if they do, dammed if they dont

but
she better not be living it up at a 5 star with buffet breakfast included
itd wanna be a flagstaff inn.

and nothings changed i hear
still out partying till the early hrs and bragging about it

sad really

[saintly]

Wouldn't matter what we did, she won't stop and the press won't stop.

So hard line for me.

However I am still a member.

will this stop her from writing a book?

will this stop her turning up to the club on training days?

will this stop the girl from bad mouthing the players etc on facebook and twitter, or anywhere else? thats what i want to know!!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe the quesitons will be asked at the AGM on Feb 3.

[saintbrat]

maybe the quesitons will be asked at the AGM on Feb 3.

I would be fairly certain the response will basicly be" Confidential" which the Club MUST stick to- as the judge degreed

unless they can find some cryptic way around it- and given media interest I would suggest that would be unwise to-

I wondered at both the person involved and the Club giving as much information as they did- obviously the distancing from School clinic , and any contact with players in focus was one of the points for mediation that the club/( AFL) focused on.

I'd rather they focused on Profit, GRand final appearances and rebuilding within successful years.

[3rd generation saint]

I wouldn't worry about her writing a book, or trying to cash in on her story, unless she does something different and writes the truth.
If she continues on her course of lies, no one will publish it, because if they did, then the club has every right to pursue massive legal action against the publisher.

[saint66au]

So lovely comments on this thread.

Hoping the girl dies, calling her a sl*t because she slept with more than one male (if a bloke does that he is a hero ), a bitch, a moll, etc etc.

The people who made these comments are at the same level they accuse this girl of being at.

Fools and ignoramouses.

The girl needed help, lawyer have obviously gotten through to her and shown that her destructive ways would hurt her in the future.

The Saints have come out looking good with the settlement of a couple of hundred bucks to help her out.

The girl looks foolish, and has admitted lying about a host of things and has lost any sympathy she may have been getting.

So to the dills who abuse her and call her a sl*t, I hope you dont mind when your kids are labelled that.

And the judgemental garbage about her parents. There is a person on this forum (not me) who knows her father well, and he is distraught about his daughter and the way she is acting. they have tried everything and cant control her.

With two girls of my own at around the same age, I have nothing but empathy for the parents, and there but by the grace of god go I.

About time some of you judgement fools examined your own motives for wishing the death of a young girl of abusing her as a sl*t.

Really disappointing but typical of internet hero's.

A massive plus 1 from me Joffa.

While I am not sympathiser to the girl for her actions, I do believe she is in serious need of help.

Something major has happened to her for her to start acting in this manner. You only had to look at her now defunct facebook page. She was the normal typical teenager and then all of a sudden the pics and posts began to change to what we see today.

Good on the Club for offering assistance. I just hope it is actually used for good and doesn't turn around and bite us on the bum.

Yep..cant add much to this...agreed a billion %

[Enrico_Misso]

I think I follow that.
The fact that at the age of 17 with evidence that she has stalked/preyed on players at five separate AFL clubs (StK, Coll, Carl, Syd, Adel)covering three states obviously proves that she isn't a sl#t