He doesnt get clear clearances though. Jack does. That is nt as important in the forward line because the ball is at least in your half. He obviously is the best option in the forward line for what RL wants to do with the forward line. And there is contested ball forward of the centre. I think he got 3 clearances last week in those situations.BigMart wrote:Plugger
On one hand armitage is too slow for tje middle......but is quick enough to apply pressure fwd....So strange
Reminds me a lot of the better pressure fwds in the comp......with so many chase downs and pressure acts.....hmmm
David has one real strength.....contested ball, particularly at stoppages...
His ability to crack in at stoppages is his asset
Other strengths include, ability to find the odd goal by getting fwd from the middle and hitting opposition players hard
Not sure chasing is his forte....nor is marking
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and probably never hear the end of itplugger66 wrote:Dont know. Never seen the end of it.dcstkfc wrote:Brent Macaffer played the second Grand Final last year as a defensive forward. Who won that game again?plugger66 wrote:Those clubs have attacking smalls who can be defensive. Sorry but we dont have one as such so that is why Armo is used there. Do you understand the game at all. By the way Osbourne plays a defensive role at Hawthorn.BigMart wrote:Who is the defensive fwd at collingwood, carlton, hawthorn, geelong???
Or do tjey just ask the actual fwds to tackle occasionally....
The notion is the most ridiculous idea in footy......
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agree with all of that.Old Mate wrote:On second thought I think Cripps should come in (if fit enough) for Armo. Still think Walsh for Blake. A more offensive option and I dont think it will impact on our defensive set up too much if at all. Blake has been in and out a bit throughout the season. I like Cripps' speed in the forward line....
I also worry bout the speed of Blake down back against a Blues fwd half that has some run/spring...Walsh provides some versatility to go back/fwd if need be..
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okay i haven't seen him in the flesh, but hasn't walsh been taught the defensive side of the game down back for sandy. and hasn't he also shown goal scoring ability up forward.
he is big, but isn't he just as fast and agile as armo? can he tackle? can he win the loose ball? can he win the hard ball?
if yes then isn't he the perfect replacement?
he is big, but isn't he just as fast and agile as armo? can he tackle? can he win the loose ball? can he win the hard ball?
if yes then isn't he the perfect replacement?
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Re: Options for Armo
i'd be completely unsurprised to see bakes come in, as this is a pseudo-final and he's a hard body who always gives maximum effort. and he's been emergency for seven of the last nine rounds. i don't think it would be the right selection - it would also leave blake as sub again, because bakes just can't be sub - but it would be understandable.plugger66 wrote:Do we go taller in the forward line where Armo is playing and play the messiah or do we bring in Cripps as sub and play Geary as a defensive forward. Cant see many other options.
i don't think a tall (walsh) can come in because carlton are a quick side and that leaves us too exposed to a midfield injury, and out of balance generally. there are very few fit mediums or smalls who've actually played this year. siposs and cripps are just a week or two back from injury so would be a risk. only two real other options:
- smith played a few earlier in the year but seems to have been a fair way away since then. still, he's the right size and could play as sub.
- gamble has been emergency since dropping out of the side and could be an option as sub, but he messes with the structure a bit as a medium.
my preference is smith, second preference bakes, third preference gamble.
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If Baker deliberately took a few out it would be a disgrace. Why would he want to finish his career like that. You can bet Lynch would take all that rubbish back again. Bakes has done a few stupid things and also been unlucky a few times but I doubt the would want to take anyone out and been known a complete thug.saintspremiers wrote:Serious re Baker. Dunno if he can do it though.plugger66 wrote:Tell me you honestly are joking reagrding Baker.saintspremiers wrote:Cripple for me.
Other option is Baker if he is prepared to take a few out.
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Every time it's mentioned to Lynch he looks genuinely and absolutely shattered at what he tried to do.plugger66 wrote:If Baker deliberately took a few out it would be a disgrace. Why would he want to finish his career like that. You can bet Lynch would take all that rubbish back again. Bakes has done a few stupid things and also been unlucky a few times but I doubt the would want to take anyone out and been known a complete thug.saintspremiers wrote:Serious re Baker. Dunno if he can do it though.plugger66 wrote:Tell me you honestly are joking reagrding Baker.saintspremiers wrote:Cripple for me.
Other option is Baker if he is prepared to take a few out.
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Interesting topic.
Personally it comes down to three players
Gamble, walsh and cripps.
Gamble gves us a extra forward to replace armo, walsh allows us to stretch the blues backline and perhaps throws a x factor into the finals. Cripps is a super sub but might not have enough run in his body
Personally it comes down to three players
Gamble, walsh and cripps.
Gamble gves us a extra forward to replace armo, walsh allows us to stretch the blues backline and perhaps throws a x factor into the finals. Cripps is a super sub but might not have enough run in his body
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The list of players available is as I listed - and there are a range of options accordingly.
In response to someone taking umbrage at my view that Geary is not up to AFL football (and particularly in a side still in contention come finals time), I just do not think he brings any more than he always has and that is not enough.
He is probably a good VFL footballer - at best.
What I do agree with is this nonsense over having to have a "defensive forward".
Each player is responsible for putting defensive pressure, including chase pressure, on.
Some do it better than others because of size - eg Koschitzke at 197cm will not chase down a fleet footed 180cm player - but he will position to deny space.
We rely on Peake for the "forward pressure" because of his foot speed, something our other small attacking players - such as particularly Milne - do not have.
Milne will baulk and weave, but he will not out run. This is why he is often found short when venturing to the mid-field, as he was last Saturday night.
The "small forwards" from the other sides do have good pace - and use that pace to harrass when they do not have the ball.
We do not have that luxury with Milne and Schnieder, who are both body and positioning players without good defensive chase skills because they lack pace.
It is unfortunate that 3 players we look to see plenty of in the future, being Sippos, Cripps and Ledger, have had injury interruptions, particularly as both Ledger and Cripps bring that leg speed to our attack.
2012 will be very interesting in regards the progress of these 3 - and who they put pressure on for a game.
In response to someone taking umbrage at my view that Geary is not up to AFL football (and particularly in a side still in contention come finals time), I just do not think he brings any more than he always has and that is not enough.
He is probably a good VFL footballer - at best.
What I do agree with is this nonsense over having to have a "defensive forward".
Each player is responsible for putting defensive pressure, including chase pressure, on.
Some do it better than others because of size - eg Koschitzke at 197cm will not chase down a fleet footed 180cm player - but he will position to deny space.
We rely on Peake for the "forward pressure" because of his foot speed, something our other small attacking players - such as particularly Milne - do not have.
Milne will baulk and weave, but he will not out run. This is why he is often found short when venturing to the mid-field, as he was last Saturday night.
The "small forwards" from the other sides do have good pace - and use that pace to harrass when they do not have the ball.
We do not have that luxury with Milne and Schnieder, who are both body and positioning players without good defensive chase skills because they lack pace.
It is unfortunate that 3 players we look to see plenty of in the future, being Sippos, Cripps and Ledger, have had injury interruptions, particularly as both Ledger and Cripps bring that leg speed to our attack.
2012 will be very interesting in regards the progress of these 3 - and who they put pressure on for a game.
Any way to knock Milne is a good way for some. Milne has had just about the same tackles per game as Peake and Schneider is even higher. They average juat on 2 an d half tackles each per game. Its just that one player, Milne is again one of our leading goal kickers. This time he actually is our leader and some, well one, think he should be out of the side.
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That's fine, Geary hasn't proven too much yet, he's doing alright,To the top wrote:The list of players available is as I listed - and there are a range of options accordingly.
In response to someone taking umbrage at my view that Geary is not up to AFL football (and particularly in a side still in contention come finals time), I just do not think he brings any more than he always has and that is not enough.
He is probably a good VFL footballer - at best.
What I do agree with is this nonsense over having to have a "defensive forward".
Each player is responsible for putting defensive pressure, including chase pressure, on.
Some do it better than others because of size - eg Koschitzke at 197cm will not chase down a fleet footed 180cm player - but he will position to deny space.
We rely on Peake for the "forward pressure" because of his foot speed, something our other small attacking players - such as particularly Milne - do not have.
Milne will baulk and weave, but he will not out run. This is why he is often found short when venturing to the mid-field, as he was last Saturday night.
The "small forwards" from the other sides do have good pace - and use that pace to harrass when they do not have the ball.
We do not have that luxury with Milne and Schnieder, who are both body and positioning players without good defensive chase skills because they lack pace.
It is unfortunate that 3 players we look to see plenty of in the future, being Sippos, Cripps and Ledger, have had injury interruptions, particularly as both Ledger and Cripps bring that leg speed to our attack.
2012 will be very interesting in regards the progress of these 3 - and who they put pressure on for a game.
But who do you actually think comes in for Armitage and Geary?
You think......or are you sure????
What do you think his best position is??? Not what is ross lyons position...have an opinion of your own for once....
If ross believes armo's best position is hf..... He is about as right as when he selected eddy or dempster there in grand finals....
And i disagree with the quality of stevens centre clearances....jacks mo with a centre clearance is to be on the fly towards the opposition goal and snap the ball over his left shoulder.....he wins it clean....uses it not so clean
Armo often is stationary and due to this has to accelerate and often gets caught, which results in a seconday bounce..... saturday he got away and hit a fwd from the bounce and got the handball back and missed the goal
There are benefits to each strategy...
Steven....if he gets possesion, will always win a clean clearance, but as it is harder to hit a player on the fly, he may only get hit 20% of the time...need a dominant ruckman....and is often a roll of the dice.......
Judd, ablett, swan, cotchin, cooney, dal, pavlich, goodes, kerr....style
Very effective for quality
Armitage....easier to Hit but harder to win a clean clearance as he is a lot easier to tackle, but.....also easier to defend if opponent wins the ball
Mitchell, tuck, watson, black, selwood, cross.....style
Very good for quantity
Armitage definatelty hits in harder than
What do you think his best position is??? Not what is ross lyons position...have an opinion of your own for once....
If ross believes armo's best position is hf..... He is about as right as when he selected eddy or dempster there in grand finals....
And i disagree with the quality of stevens centre clearances....jacks mo with a centre clearance is to be on the fly towards the opposition goal and snap the ball over his left shoulder.....he wins it clean....uses it not so clean
Armo often is stationary and due to this has to accelerate and often gets caught, which results in a seconday bounce..... saturday he got away and hit a fwd from the bounce and got the handball back and missed the goal
There are benefits to each strategy...
Steven....if he gets possesion, will always win a clean clearance, but as it is harder to hit a player on the fly, he may only get hit 20% of the time...need a dominant ruckman....and is often a roll of the dice.......
Judd, ablett, swan, cotchin, cooney, dal, pavlich, goodes, kerr....style
Very effective for quality
Armitage....easier to Hit but harder to win a clean clearance as he is a lot easier to tackle, but.....also easier to defend if opponent wins the ball
Mitchell, tuck, watson, black, selwood, cross.....style
Very good for quantity
Armitage definatelty hits in harder than
The funny thing is you mention spelling. Again it sums you up. Even though I mispelt something so did you but you still bring it up. Still have no idea who your previous post was directed too. Looked at the last few posts on this page and saw nothing. Nothing more annoying than posters arrogantly thinking people know what they are on about without using the quote button.BigMart wrote:Dont use it....nothing more annoying.
Why do we have to reread the same posts in thread quotes for page after page....worst aspect of the forum
Now look back at your posts in the thread......did you use the word 'think' .... If so, it is probably you i refer to....
Nice quick reply as usual......