Why does everyone hate Archer so much?

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Why does everyone hate Archer so much?

Post: # 1170667Post skeptic »

Really disliked on here by some... Many disappointed he wasn't cut

I don't know much about him.


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Post: # 1170668Post Dr Spaceman »

Well I like him and I'm happy he's still with us.

Hopefully with the Saints Academy and the new Sandy set up, DA can be given a chance to develop properly rather than being relegated to a spare parts player for the Zebs, as he was this year.


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I dont hate him but i dont think he will give our team anything good. My opinion and i have had this opinion since the first time i have seen him.


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Re: Why does everyone hate Archer so much?

Post: # 1170671Post gringo »

skeptic wrote:Really disliked on here by some... Many disappointed he wasn't cut

I don't know much about him.
i love the way the big boy played in the NAB, hard bodied, made it to contests and crashed packs. He looked like Rooey after too many cheese burgers.
The down side- He isn't quite a ruck and didn't pluck all his marks. He had an average year at Sandy by some reports as well.


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Re: Why does everyone hate Archer so much?

Post: # 1170675Post saintly »

gringo wrote:
skeptic wrote:Really disliked on here by some... Many disappointed he wasn't cut

I don't know much about him.
i love the way the big boy played in the NAB, hard bodied, made it to contests and crashed packs. He looked like Rooey after too many cheese burgers.
The down side- He isn't quite a ruck and didn't pluck all his marks. He had an average year at Sandy by some reports as well.
who knows how any of our players will be playing, with the acadmeny up and running. it might be the making of many players now.


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Post: # 1170676Post kosifantutti23 »

I hate Archer because I had two guineas on Mormon to win.


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Post: # 1170678Post stevie »

It annoyed me when he won the NS in 96


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Post: # 1170688Post Dr Spaceman »

kosifantutti23 wrote:I hate Archer because I had two guineas on Mormon to win.
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skeptic wrote:Really disliked on here by some... Many disappointed he wasn't cut

I don't know much about him.
There are a few things about the man;

He's a Tasmanian

He's very (pale) Pink

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Post: # 1170691Post bobmurray »

Ross said "this kid has got something"...

If he finds a cure he might turn out OK....


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Post: # 1170692Post Rosco »

bobmurray wrote:Ross said "this kid has got something"...

If he finds a cure he might turn out OK....
he did have something under ross - no chance of a regular game.


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Post: # 1170697Post Dr Spaceman »

Rosco wrote:
bobmurray wrote:Ross said "this kid has got something"...

If he finds a cure he might turn out OK....
he did have something under ross - no chance of a regular game.
In his first game he failed to kick a goal.



That should have ensured a game the following week :wink:


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I'm a big fan !

Post: # 1170702Post WinnersOnly »

I'm a big fan - I really think the guy has a future ! It is just a few who have judged him on 1 game which is really unfare. IMO he has the tools to make a really good KPP lets hope he does!


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Post: # 1170703Post matrix »

im glad they hung on to him


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Post: # 1170705Post Rosco »

lynch gone. walsh gone. dawson out of contract. not surprised they've held on to a tall.


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Post: # 1170728Post winmaaah »

Very happy they kept him


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Post: # 1170730Post BigMart »

He's a goer.....

We were informed he was most likely to be delisted by some forumites though...werent we....


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Post: # 1170735Post fugazi »

Doesn't he have good 20M pace also, give him a bit of time, I think he'll make it.


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Post: # 1170766Post samuraisaint »

The coaches at Sandy had their doubts about whether Archer could make it in the AFL. On the face of it, he looks lucky to have stayed on the list, but good luck to him moving forward. hope he can prove them wrong.


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Post: # 1170767Post Bernard Shakey »

BigMart wrote:He's a goer.....

We were informed he was most likely to be delisted by some forumites though...werent we....
He's a dud, but you can only cut so many duds in one year. He struggled to keep his place in the Sandy seniors.


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Post: # 1170772Post dragit »

I blame him for the 09 & 10 GF losses, not sure why, just do.


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Post: # 1170773Post skeptic »

what do ppl view as his strengths and weaknesses


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Post: # 1170777Post mad saint guy »

skeptic wrote:what do ppl view as his strengths and weaknesses
Strengths:
Big, strong body with a serious presence at contests
Gives 100% for the entire game, has surprising endurance despite his slightly jolly appearance
Team player; sacrificed his year if kicking goals to fill in as ruck and FB and Sandy
Quite good overhead, at the very least brings the ball to ground
Positions himself well around te ground and attacks the contest with confidence

Weaknesses:
Not quite athletic enough to be a true modern CHF and not tall enough to be a ruckman
Kicking isn't fantastic (but not terrible)
Not great at ground level
Conditioning could improve
Lacks an obvious best position; jack of all trades, master of none

I believe with some decent coaching and development he could at least become a Leigh Brown-like role player, who kicks a few goals, takes a tall defender and provides an option in the ruck or down back if needed.


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Post: # 1170778Post noddy04 »

Cos he used to play for Norf melbourne....shinboner of the year? wouldnt know the first thing about boning a shin bone...cant put 2 syllables together :D
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Post: # 1170785Post Mackaysaint »

mad saint guy wrote:
skeptic wrote:what do ppl view as his strengths and weaknesses
Strengths:
Big, strong body with a serious presence at contests
Gives 100% for the entire game, has surprising endurance despite his slightly jolly appearance
Team player; sacrificed his year if kicking goals to fill in as ruck and FB and Sandy
Quite good overhead, at the very least brings the ball to ground
Positions himself well around te ground and attacks the contest with confidence

Weaknesses:
Not quite athletic enough to be a true modern CHF and not tall enough to be a ruckman
Kicking isn't fantastic (but not terrible)
Not great at ground level
Conditioning could improve
Lacks an obvious best position; jack of all trades, master of none

I believe with some decent coaching and development he could at least become a Leigh Brown-like role player, who kicks a few goals, takes a tall defender and provides an option in the ruck or down back if needed.
Agree with much of that but I feel it unlikely that he would be played in the ruck in the AFL. He competes manfully but can't jump far and is only 193 cm so he doesn't have more reach than all but the most token of opponents.

Archer was forced to play roles that he would not have expected this year.

The Saints were rash to delist Adam Pattison last year after King retired and McGrath was delisted. Yeah, I know that the club was "unlucky" that Steven Gaertner retired unexpectedly, but a lack of forward planning left the club vulnerable. Gardiner may never have been able to return to the playing field with his knee and Kosi had ankle problems. Both were unfit to play when the season began.

Sandringham had problems of their own during the season and there were times when the ruck load was carried by Archer and Stanley. His first match for the Saints was up forward and he was relegated to learn more about what it takes to be a key forward, then he was required in the ruck, and finally the club tried to fast track Tommy Walsh by playing him in the ruck swapping as key forward. This meant Arch was sent to full back. He showed a good deal of versatility earning a place in the best players in 3 of his 15 VFL matches.

This is not an ideal way to prepare a player for AFL.
He may benefit enormously from the club's new academy - to help define roles for him and develop the skills he needs to excel in those roles.


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