Open Mike - St Kilda's troubled history

[evertonfc]

Hour long-special edition - 8:30pm, next Tuesday, Fox Footy.

It's going to be grim, but it does pose a salient question - why have we continually failed to be successful?

I think it's going to be easier to watch against the current context of our recent history - regular finalists, and a rebuild that's currently very focused on getting back to the top of the tree.

That said, I'm looking forward to it. Mike is fascinated by the cultural elements of the club - something very evident in the Loewe interview - and if there's something deeper at play.

I think there was an issue but not anymore. Which is why it should be easier to watch. And it should serve as a timely reminder to channel all our efforts on being successful.

[matrix]

$20 says he doesnt even explain the duthie crap properly
S hool girl scandal will be the words used
Nothing factual bout that incident will come out

And i f****** hope he is doing every team in the league and not just picking n us out

[evertonfc]

$20 says he doesnt even explain the duthie crap properly
S hool girl scandal will be the words used
Nothing factual bout that incident will come out

And i f****** hope he is doing every team in the league and not just picking n us out

Being a bit precious there, Matrix.

He's already done this on Richmond - and it was absolutely excellent.

[matrix]

One thing im not is precious
Id like to see him state facts, that is all

$20 says he wont, will drinble s***, or will skirt the issue becUse he wont have all the facts
No facts, dont mention it.
If he dribbles on about the 90s and early 2000s whats the relevance?
We all knew it was party time, jesus what club didnt


Didnt know he did ricjmond because i dont watch every episode of open mike because i dont actually rate him that highly.
In fact theres not many journos i do, and none in footy circles

Ill watch it when all the hoohar dies down
Itll be interesting whatever the outcome

[evertonfc]

One thing im not is precious
Id like to see him state facts, that is all

One flag in 120 years is fairly poignant fact, I'd have thought.

I actually think the reason Mike is interested is because he perceives St Kilda to be a relatively "big" club in relation to its overall success.

And that had we won flags, we'd be potentially as big as Hawthorn and Geelong, not lumped in with the loser clubs who battle for survival.

[matrix]

Good point
Should have 3 flags

I wonder if we did have the 3 flags, even 4 (71) would we have double the membership???
Would we be pushing the 60 thousand?

Being interstate i dont know as i dont exactly talk to a lot of people who are closet saints supporters

Or perhaps, success wouldve brought us a new generation of members?

Getting a bit off topic, but what was it like 30 or even 40 years ago with membership numbers compared to other clubs?
Some longer serving supporters might be able to answr that
Be nice if we could see some numbers from days past

[To the top]

As with the very great majority of "media" types, we have an old man trying to stay relevant (once their name disappears from the daily grind of muck they peddle, they are history).

You take the lessons from history, obviously.

BUT, it is the future and how the Club is positioning for the future that is THE game in town - not some "has been journo" raking over the past to keep his name in the public's eye.

[kosifantutti]

I haven't seen the ads for this but if it's about our 120 year history, why would they spend any time talking about some school girl.

[matrix]

Exactly
Lets hope its not dwelled on.

[St Chris]

The story will depend on who he can interview. I cant imagine that "girl" gets much airtime if he talks to Fox, Plympton, etc. If the only people he can get on the show are Butters, Watters etc it might get a fair run...

[To the top]

As with the very great majority of "media" types, we have an old man trying to stay relevant (once their name disappears from the daily grind of muck they peddle, they are history).

You take the lessons from history, obviously.

BUT, it is the future and how the Club is positioning for the future that is THE game in town - not some "has been journo" raking over the past to keep his name in the public's eye.

[dragit]

Sounds like eye-fork material.

[amusingname]

I am looking forward to it, sheahan usually does a very good job and gives balanced coverage in his shows. Interviews with people like Nixon, Capper and the like could have been handled terribly but turned out really well and worth viewing.

No point in ignoring our past and thinking that any mention of incidents (of our own doing or otherwise) is a hatchet job with the express purpose of harming the club.

[evertonfc]

I am looking forward to it, sheahan usually does a very good job and gives balanced coverage in his shows. Interviews with people like Nixon, Capper and the like could have been handled terribly but turned out really well and worth viewing.

No point in ignoring our past and thinking that any mention of incidents (of our own doing or otherwise) is a hatchet job with the express purpose of harming the club.

Sheahan is terrific. Hardly ever sensationalises - just gets it right.

Only one I can remember he really stuffed up was the Clarkson to West Coast line. Which was actually very advanced but fell apart as soon as he broke the story.

[evertonfc]

Good point
Should have 3 flags

Might be a bit hard even for Mike to answer but I'd like to know how we also didn't win any VFA flags between 1873 and 1897.

We're up to one flag in 143 years. Closing in on 150

[mr six o'clock]

Good point
Should have 3 flags

Might be a bit hard even for Mike to answer but I'd like to know how we also didn't win any VFA flags between 1873 and 1897.

We're up to one flag in 143 years. Closing in on 150

We are a success because after 143 years we're still here .

St Kilda was invited to join the Vfl in 1897 basically because we had a good ground .
The Vfl up until the 1960's resembled most of today's minor leagues where the clubs that are rich are able to buy the best talent .
That's why you hear story's of talented player's who would go play interstate or in country league's
the saints with no money did well to make it that far .

The last 50 years all teams have had there ups and downs .
We could have won more flags but for the bounce of a few balls in 09 and 10 , and losing spider and lazar in the finals in 97 !
But that's footy and we're still here .

[Darth Vader]

Good point
Should have 3 flags

I wonder if we did have the 3 flags, even 4 (71) would we have double the membership???
Would we be pushing the 60 thousand?

Being interstate i dont know as i dont exactly talk to a lot of people who are closet saints supporters

Or perhaps, success wouldve brought us a new generation of members?

Getting a bit off topic, but what was it like 30 or even 40 years ago with membership numbers compared to other clubs?
Some longer serving supporters might be able to answr that
Be nice if we could see some numbers from days past

Could make a strong argument for 6 - 65, 66, 71, 97, one of 04/05 and one of 09/10.

[Bunk_Moreland]

If this is about culture, I'll go with Alan Jeans when asked to compare the difference in culture between St.Kilda and Hawthorn said

"It all has to do with money. Saints have never had any"

I reckon Jeans would know better than anybody else in football.

[dragit]

I couldn't care less about some meaningless flag tally that includes years when there were only four clubs in the comp, teams just bought players or cheated the cap to win flags…

Supposedly successful clubs with massive flag tally's like Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne & Richmond have barely landed a blow in the last 20 years.

At the same time our one flag before I was born isn't anything that I hang my hat on either.

Hawthorns success has been remarkable, but I have little respect for Sydney & Brisbanes recent flags with their ridiculous allowances & Geelongs success was largely on the back of a bung recruiting rule…

One and quite often two of these four clubs have been in every grand final since 2000 except for 2010…

It's certainly not a level playing field.

[SemperFidelis]

$20 says he doesnt even explain the duthie crap properly
S hool girl scandal will be the words used
Nothing factual bout that incident will come out

And i f****** hope he is doing every team in the league and not just picking n us out

When he interviewed Caro the other night, she was at pains to call it something like the "wrongly named but so called St Kilda school girl" incident.

I'd expect that at a minimum.

[saynta]

I blame Sheahan for the Saints losing it's best ever player.

He picked on Plugger so much that Plugger wanted to get out of Victoria.

Printed damaging photos and damaging articles calling for his suspension when he was clearly innocent and subsequently proven so by the tribunal.

I remember one photo showing plugger with his elbow out which purported to have been taken just before connecting with a Carlton player when it fact it was taken after the impact when his elbow was tucked in.

Sheahan has always had a hatred of St Kilda and is something I have written to him about on several occasions.

He's just another scum journo imho.

That interview with Caro was riveting TV though.

[saynta]

As with the very great majority of "media" types, we have an old man trying to stay relevant (once their name disappears from the daily grind of muck they peddle, they are history).

You take the lessons from history, obviously.

BUT, it is the future and how the Club is positioning for the future that is THE game in town - not some "has been journo" raking over the past to keep his name in the public's eye.

Happy to agree with you. Good post.

[prwilkinson]

If this is about culture, I'll go with Alan Jeans when asked to compare the difference in culture between St.Kilda and Hawthorn said

"It all has to do with money. Saints have never had any"

I reckon Jeans would know better than anybody else in football.

Well said.

[saintspremiers]

If this is about culture, I'll go with Alan Jeans when asked to compare the difference in culture between St.Kilda and Hawthorn said

"It all has to do with money. Saints have never had any"

I reckon Jeans would know better than anybody else in football.

Well said.

But why didn't we have any money?

Was it the "culture" of the club that prevented it from making money?

Chicken and egg.

[loris]

I hope he doesn't 'pussy foot' around about Lindsay Fox. He could have followed up more on Fox when he interviewed Barry Breen, but he shied away. Breen gave him the opening. The myth of Lindsay Fox needs pricking IMHO. Funny how over the years those in the media have been too scared(???) to flush out a bit of the mud.