Goodbye Armo and Mav
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Richo said Armo is playing a new role as a forward because we are undermanned. He was just terrible last night, slow and not mobile, just the way Richo likes it. I was disappointed with Seb as well, racks up possessions but only hurts us not the opposition. He should have been on Pendlebury when he kicked his goal, no discipline, just ran around kick chasing without having an impact.
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Armo cooked and Mav not AFL standard, not much to like at Sandy but White and Paton could add some speed.
Lonie looked better than both of them so that is a real indictment on their form
Lonie looked better than both of them so that is a real indictment on their form
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I actually thought Lonie was pretty good. He kicked a couple early and applied forward pressure all game. At least he has a crack.
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
I watched Armo carefully the past two weeks. He is either, playing injured, no longer at AFL standard or, not interested.
He slowly jogs around as if he’s wearing gumboots. I’m being generous when I say ‘jog’, watch him carefully, he just walks around the ground when the play has moved on, not jogging to keep up with opposition to stop them running on and creating a loose man.
He moves in to tackle late, more intent on giving a side bump to a player who has usually disposed of the ball. More he just half heartedly throws his weight around in a ‘pretence’ that he’s doing the hard stuff. Maybe he’s playing sore and it’s some sort of self preservation of his body that makes him seem so lacklustre.
I noticed Seb Ross give him a mighty spray during the Freo match, then on another occasion in that match Ross looked exasperated at one of Armo’s effort & had a few words to him. Armo appeared totally disinterested in whatever Ross said, turned his back on him and ‘walked’ back to his position, yet standing off his opponent by about 10 metres.
IMHO, It’s hard not to get the impression that Armo appears no longer to be interested in giving his all for the Saints........ sad really, as he has been a selfless warrior for the Saints many times over the years. Never thought I could say this about Armo.
On the other hand, If he is playing injured, he should have more respect for his teammates and the Club and put up his hand and say ‘I can’t play the role you are expecting me to in my current condition’, he’s just letting himself down.
He slowly jogs around as if he’s wearing gumboots. I’m being generous when I say ‘jog’, watch him carefully, he just walks around the ground when the play has moved on, not jogging to keep up with opposition to stop them running on and creating a loose man.
He moves in to tackle late, more intent on giving a side bump to a player who has usually disposed of the ball. More he just half heartedly throws his weight around in a ‘pretence’ that he’s doing the hard stuff. Maybe he’s playing sore and it’s some sort of self preservation of his body that makes him seem so lacklustre.
I noticed Seb Ross give him a mighty spray during the Freo match, then on another occasion in that match Ross looked exasperated at one of Armo’s effort & had a few words to him. Armo appeared totally disinterested in whatever Ross said, turned his back on him and ‘walked’ back to his position, yet standing off his opponent by about 10 metres.
IMHO, It’s hard not to get the impression that Armo appears no longer to be interested in giving his all for the Saints........ sad really, as he has been a selfless warrior for the Saints many times over the years. Never thought I could say this about Armo.
On the other hand, If he is playing injured, he should have more respect for his teammates and the Club and put up his hand and say ‘I can’t play the role you are expecting me to in my current condition’, he’s just letting himself down.
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
We require some experience - and, unfortunately it was our experienced players letting the side down on a raft of criteria
Therefore the assessments should not just include Armitage and Weller
None of our limited 100 game plus players were capable of leading the way and impacting on the result of the game
Newnes kicked 4 granted but in such an inexperienced side he was required to bring his experience to where the game is won
Collingwood got some charities as a given but our lack of height saw all up in defence and Collingwood players on the ground hence the close range goals they scored
Their height appeared to be an issue in attack as we only had Hickey and Marshall with then a role player being Brown until injured
And they appeared to seek to exploit that - successfully as it turned out
In regard height we were missing Carlisle, Bruce, McCartin, Roberton and Gilbert, all 194 or taller - plus Acres, and that appeared telling from the screen
Therefore the assessments should not just include Armitage and Weller
None of our limited 100 game plus players were capable of leading the way and impacting on the result of the game
Newnes kicked 4 granted but in such an inexperienced side he was required to bring his experience to where the game is won
Collingwood got some charities as a given but our lack of height saw all up in defence and Collingwood players on the ground hence the close range goals they scored
Their height appeared to be an issue in attack as we only had Hickey and Marshall with then a role player being Brown until injured
And they appeared to seek to exploit that - successfully as it turned out
In regard height we were missing Carlisle, Bruce, McCartin, Roberton and Gilbert, all 194 or taller - plus Acres, and that appeared telling from the screen
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
I don't think Jesus Christ is coming in to save us anytime soon.SaintPav wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:58amYep, that is what SP said.congorozides wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:46amOh great. Another faux 'ITK' telling us all that things are going to improve and some great leader is going to lead us to salvation. Pelchen, Finnis, Bains....saintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:39am I can assure you all that under the current regime there will be significant change within the club.
What that change is exactly I don’t know, but it’s 100% reliable source. Lethlean is the driver.
...Now its Lethlean FFS.
Jesus christ.
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can't see why not ? at the end of the day We are Saintssaynta wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 5:10pmI don't think Jesus Christ is coming in to save us anytime soon.SaintPav wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:58amYep, that is what SP said.congorozides wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:46amOh great. Another faux 'ITK' telling us all that things are going to improve and some great leader is going to lead us to salvation. Pelchen, Finnis, Bains....saintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:39am I can assure you all that under the current regime there will be significant change within the club.
What that change is exactly I don’t know, but it’s 100% reliable source. Lethlean is the driver.
...Now its Lethlean FFS.
Jesus christ.
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
I know Loris is a long-standing supporter,loris wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 3:29pm I watched Armo carefully the past two weeks. He is either, playing injured, no longer at AFL standard or, not interested.
He slowly jogs around as if he’s wearing gumboots. I’m being generous when I say ‘jog’, watch him carefully, he just walks around the ground when the play has moved on, not jogging to keep up with opposition to stop them running on and creating a loose man...
On the other hand, If he is playing injured, he should have more respect for his teammates and the Club and put up his hand and say ‘I can’t play the role you are expecting me to in my current condition’, he’s just letting himself down.
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I was at the Freo game, but I didn't even notice Armo at all.
Thanks for pointing out his lack of endeavour; I believe his invisibility was a combination
of minimal possessions, minimal impact, as well as it being my first live game since last year,
and I was totally absorbed and wanted to take in everything.
But Armo should not be in the side if he cannot or will not do what he should be doing.
Disinterested or injured, he is being so damn selfish by continuing to put his hand up,
and the selectors are almost criminal for picking him.
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con - just telling you some of what I know.
I don’t know if Lethlean is the messiah. If he’s on the wrong track then stick a fork into the whole club!
I don’t know if Lethlean is the messiah. If he’s on the wrong track then stick a fork into the whole club!
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Problem is, unless we trade back into the draft, we can't get rid of too many this year
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
Armo wasn't just bad, he was really bad on Sat night. That kind of form, and the week before from a senior player should be an automatic out. Mav didn't do anything and is bringing nothing to this woefully coached team.
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Every time I saw Armitage he looked totally off the pace. Maybe he’s not fit or his head’s not in the right place, but you can’t play him this week based on that form.
Mav, I hardly noticed at all ... which may be even worse.
Mav, I hardly noticed at all ... which may be even worse.
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
Ben Patton will debut soon. I’m guessing this week or next.
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
Armo yes, Mav maybe. Armo isn't even looking like a VFL player out there, Mav had a bad night nut was OK last week. Problem is who do we replace them with?
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The mini General can really play guys. Trust me on that. He is quick and tough. He is a very good chance to become one of our best mids going forward. He is a midfielder (always has been) and only played as a small back in the U/18's due to being an overage kid. He did get selected in the BP for the AA side so he can play back also though.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Mon 21 May 2018 11:09am Ben Patton will debut soon. I’m guessing this week or next.
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
Armo has been a great servant to the club but looks finished.
Never quick, he has lost a yard when the overall pace of the game has increased.
It appears the game has gone past him.
I hope he can bounce back but it doesn't look promising.
I've never bought into the whole Mav package.
I believe he prepares and gives it everything, however I don't believe he would get a game at any finals aspirant and therefore is filling time.
Given we are bottom three I'd prefer to see a young player given a run in his position.
Never quick, he has lost a yard when the overall pace of the game has increased.
It appears the game has gone past him.
I hope he can bounce back but it doesn't look promising.
I've never bought into the whole Mav package.
I believe he prepares and gives it everything, however I don't believe he would get a game at any finals aspirant and therefore is filling time.
Given we are bottom three I'd prefer to see a young player given a run in his position.
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Nah sorry mate, your track record is terrible.parkeysainter wrote: ↑Mon 21 May 2018 1:45pm Trust me on that…
He is a very good chance to become one of our best mids going forward.
I hope paton can play, but there is absolutely no way I'll take your word for any players.
Very good chance to become one of our best mids? I'm tipping probably very unlikely.
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Thanks to Mav for giving your everything, congrats on getting to 100 AFL games & all the best for life after footy.
I've been a big armo fan, but unfortunately he looks done - contracted for next year though so we may have to pay him out to gain another list spot.
I've been a big armo fan, but unfortunately he looks done - contracted for next year though so we may have to pay him out to gain another list spot.
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Paton was AA but in the back pocket.dragit wrote: ↑Mon 21 May 2018 2:49pmNah sorry mate, your track record is terrible.parkeysainter wrote: ↑Mon 21 May 2018 1:45pm Trust me on that…
He is a very good chance to become one of our best mids going forward.
I hope paton can play, but there is absolutely no way I'll take your word for any players.
Very good chance to become one of our best mids? I'm tipping probably very unlikely.
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Jesus Christ now there's a guy to lead the Saints.congorozides wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:46amOh great. Another faux 'ITK' telling us all that things are going to improve and some great leader is going to lead us to salvation. Pelchen, Finnis, Bains....saintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:39am I can assure you all that under the current regime there will be significant change within the club.
What that change is exactly I don’t know, but it’s 100% reliable source. Lethlean is the driver.
...Now its Lethlean FFS.
Jesus christ.
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I stopped believing in divine intervention after the 2010 GF replay!ace wrote: ↑Mon 21 May 2018 3:36pmJesus Christ now there's a guy to lead the Saints.congorozides wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:46amOh great. Another faux 'ITK' telling us all that things are going to improve and some great leader is going to lead us to salvation. Pelchen, Finnis, Bains....saintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:39am I can assure you all that under the current regime there will be significant change within the club.
What that change is exactly I don’t know, but it’s 100% reliable source. Lethlean is the driver.
...Now its Lethlean FFS.
Jesus christ.
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Track record? Am I a horse race or something?dragit wrote: ↑Mon 21 May 2018 2:49pmNah sorry mate, your track record is terrible.parkeysainter wrote: ↑Mon 21 May 2018 1:45pm Trust me on that…
He is a very good chance to become one of our best mids going forward.
I hope paton can play, but there is absolutely no way I'll take your word for any players.
Very good chance to become one of our best mids? I'm tipping probably very unlikely.
Paton can bloody play. You will be eating hot curry once he becomes part of the 22. But you are a love child of Con G the goose I guess...
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You know that old story about the church deep in Hawks territory where the minister put a heading in those little alphabet letters ?ace wrote: ↑Mon 21 May 2018 3:36pmJesus Christ now there's a guy to lead the Saints.congorozides wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:46amOh great. Another faux 'ITK' telling us all that things are going to improve and some great leader is going to lead us to salvation. Pelchen, Finnis, Bains....saintspremiers wrote: ↑Sun 20 May 2018 12:39am I can assure you all that under the current regime there will be significant change within the club.
What that change is exactly I don’t know, but it’s 100% reliable source. Lethlean is the driver.
...Now its Lethlean FFS.
Jesus christ.
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Re: Goodbye Armo and Mav
Both players have given their all but would not get a game at most VFL clubs let alone an AFL club now and I include Carlton in that. They are offering nothing to the saints on gameday and that is unlikely to change anytime soon. I havent seen any of the VFL younger players but would assume there would be surely 2 players in the sandy side to promote.