Seb Ross

[WellardSaint]

Seb in the picture below doesn't want to put his body on the line.

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/Samples ... dscape.jpg

Seb gets lots of fantasy points, but I saw far too many games where he didn't go hard or commit to contests. He doesn't hurt himself or the opposition. It's just bruise free footy and it needs to be coached out of the player. That's sometimes why he and Billings get rid of it too early. When you try and take the footy 'away' from your body I call that playing scared.

i got shouted down whenever I said similar;
it's great to have big numbers, but they don't tell the whole tale.
He is NOT a team player, he just wants to rack up possies, and doesn't want to help the team.
Sometimes, he'll actually spot up a guy and deliver well, but far too often,
it's just kick and hope.

[IluvHarvey]

He is NOT a team player, he just wants to rack up possies, and doesn't want to help the team.

Wow! This is a huge statement and one I absolutely disagree with.
His skill let's him down at times but to pull out the "Not a team player" line is just ridiculous.

[Tommyj]

I've watched him a while now he's too slow to get the hard ball or doesn't want to gives up on the chase too easily has no idea were his team. Mates are runs into trouble and just boots it just has no vision or smarts

[Tommyj]

Oh and never gets tagged his possies doesn't damage teams

[parkeysainter]

Seb in the picture below doesn't want to put his body on the line.

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/Samples ... dscape.jpg

Seb gets lots of fantasy points, but I saw far too many games where he didn't go hard or commit to contests. He doesn't hurt himself or the opposition. It's just bruise free footy and it needs to be coached out of the player. That's sometimes why he and Billings get rid of it too early. When you try and take the footy 'away' from your body I call that playing scared.

i got shouted down whenever I said similar;
it's great to have big numbers, but they don't tell the whole tale.
He is NOT a team player, he just wants to rack up possies, and doesn't want to help the team.
Sometimes, he'll actually spot up a guy and deliver well, but far too often,
it's just kick and hope.

Sorry, but what a crock of s***.

[skeptic]

Seb in the picture below doesn't want to put his body on the line.

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/Samples ... dscape.jpg

Seb gets lots of fantasy points, but I saw far too many games where he didn't go hard or commit to contests. He doesn't hurt himself or the opposition. It's just bruise free footy and it needs to be coached out of the player. That's sometimes why he and Billings get rid of it too early. When you try and take the footy 'away' from your body I call that playing scared.

i got shouted down whenever I said similar;
it's great to have big numbers, but they don't tell the whole tale.
He is NOT a team player, he just wants to rack up possies, and doesn't want to help the team.
Sometimes, he'll actually spot up a guy and deliver well, but far too often,
it's just kick and hope.

Sorry, but what a crock of s***.

The variance in Ross’ okay games and great ones is too large at the moment in my opinion and the difference is how badly he hurts the opposition.

It’s why IMO he’s more tradable then a guy like Steven.

He just often lacks that, step on the throat and bury them edge... it’s the only weakness in his game

[chico2001]

I think if he can get the right coach to iron out some of his careless disposal and fix a few other little things then he should be A grade, he is very capable of that. Ratten if and when appointed might be able to do that, but damn sure the other coaches havent been able to do it. They have been moved on anyway apart from one.

[samoht]

I think if he can get the right coach to iron out some of his careless disposal and fix a few other little things then he should be A grade, he is very capable of that. Ratten if and when appointed might be able to do that, but damn sure the other coaches havent been able to do it. They have been moved on anyway apart from one.

Why is it up to a coach to iron out Seb Ross's disposal, even if a coach could - or any of his foibles/character shortcomings?
Does Seb Ross also need a bib?

Maybe he's just not an elite disposer of the ball. Most players aren't - that's why it's called elite.

[chico2001]

That is why you have coaches. If you don't want to improve players then don't hire coaches, saints have about 12 now, what they all do I have no idea. So are you suggesting getting rid of coaches?

My previous post was all about making him elite with some improvements.

Trade him to Hawthorn or Swans and see what would happen.

[Scollop]

If you run sideways to the footy instead of directly towards it, that is a choice that a player makes so that he minimises any chance of body contact. I have seen it throughout the year and I saw it again in the last game of the year.

If a player has the choice to run at full pace and possibly collide with his opponent or he chooses to coralle his opponent and of coarse takes a few short steps and puts the brakes and dramatically slows down, that is a choice a player makes so that he minimises any chance of body contact. Without the clear deceleration I would have given him an out but he did it against North ( and against other teams ) and the only reason was because he didn't want to put his head at risk and his body on the line.

When the ball is in the air and you are the closest Saints player in the vicinity of the footy or where the footy is going to land, and you choose to stop and look around and wait for a taller team mate to contest the footy, that is a choice a player makes so that he minimises any chance of body contact. It's selfish and inexcusable if the opposistion marks it uncontested and Seb was clearly the only player who was close enough to contest.

These are behaviours that need to be coached out of a player. They are unacceptable for all players and especially for someone who is supposed to be a leader. Unless Seb was playing with injured ribs for a few games where he continued to squibb when it was his turn, then the coaches have been soft and they've allowed Seb to repeat the same bad habits far too often imo.

[WellardSaint]

If you run sideways to the footy instead of directly towards it, that is a choice that a player makes so that he minimises any chance of body contact. I have seen it throughout the year and I saw it again in the last game of the year.

If a player has the choice to run at full pace and possibly collide with his opponent or he chooses to coralle his opponent and of coarse takes a few short steps and puts the brakes and dramatically slows down, that is a choice a player makes so that he minimises any chance of body contact. Without the clear deceleration I would have given him an out but he did it against North ( and against other teams ) and the only reason was because he didn't want to put his head at risk and his body on the line.

When the ball is in the air and you are the closest Saints player in the vicinity of the footy or where the footy is going to land, and you choose to stop and look around and wait for a taller team mate to contest the footy, that is a choice a player makes so that he minimises any chance of body contact. It's selfish and inexcusable if the opposistion marks it uncontested and Seb was clearly the only player who was close enough to contest.

These are behaviours that need to be coached out of a player. They are unacceptable for all players and especially for someone who is supposed to be a leader. Unless Seb was playing with injured ribs for a few games where he continued to squibb when it was his turn, then the coaches have been soft and they've allowed Seb to repeat the same bad habits far too often imo.

i have no words except to say that I hope the 'blue skyers' read this objectively,
and look at one full quarter of any random game (without rose-coloured glasses)
to see the many many examples of what you've said.

If they still can't see it, well, more fool them, and they are like the frog in a pot of water that's slowly
coming to the boil.

[kosifantutti]

Seb in the picture below doesn't want to put his body on the line.

https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/Samples ... dscape.jpg

Seb gets lots of fantasy points, but I saw far too many games where he didn't go hard or commit to contests. He doesn't hurt himself or the opposition. It's just bruise free footy and it needs to be coached out of the player. That's sometimes why he and Billings get rid of it too early. When you try and take the footy 'away' from your body I call that playing scared.

You’re reading a lot into a single photo.

[guitars4]

To quote Jack Dyer Seb is a good ordinary footballer .He had a good season last year & this year he has been ok but is never going to be a gun IMO. Not overly quick ,not a great ball user & not a great decision maker. He knows how to find the footy,good runner & is pretty courageous but we need elite ball users who can break lines & we don't have anyone at that level. I am hoping Coffield & Clarke will fill that void , it's early days & hopefully next year we might start to see what they can do.

[samoht]

That is why you have coaches. If you don't want to improve players then don't hire coaches, saints have about 12 now, what they all do I have no idea. So are you suggesting getting rid of coaches?

My previous post was all about making him elite with some improvements.

Trade him to Hawthorn or Swans and see what would happen.

Seb will never become elite under any coach.

Goddard was already an elite kick when we recruited him as a 17 year old.

Tom Lynch, who we gave away to Adelaide, is an elite kick.

The Hawks and the Swans homed in on and recruited these silky players with elite kicking skills - such as Burgoyne, Hodge, Macveigh, Brad Hill, Franklin etc... while our recruiters were using the scattergun, willy nilly approach.

One good coach is enough, if you ask me - with one assistant coach, maybe - why do we need so many assistant coaches? - I'd spend the extra money on recruiters and getting our recruiting right. This is the area we've failed in miserably.

[carn_sainter]

Alistair Clarkson, after the recent game against the hawks, said Seb Ross is a very, very smart footballer. Get him people to distribute the ball to and some structure and he will become really damaging. One of our best players.

[guitars4]

Alistair Clarkson, after the recent game against the hawks, said Seb Ross is a very, very smart footballer. Get him people to distribute the ball to and some structure and he will become really damaging. One of our best players.

Yes no doubt he is one of our best players but were not overly flushed with stars thats for sure . Still a required player with plenty of upside lets recruit some decent players that can enhance what he's got to offer.

[parkeysainter]

Alistair Clarkson, after the recent game against the hawks, said Seb Ross is a very, very smart footballer. Get him people to distribute the ball to and some structure and he will become really damaging. One of our best players.

Hey. What would Clarko know?...lol.

[wally]

We delisted Guerra years ago, Clarkson put him on a hbf using his kicking skills.
Won at least one, maybe more flags.

[wally]

We delisted Guerra years ago, Clarkson put him on a hbf using his kicking skills.
Won at least one, maybe more flags.