Dunstan to Blues

[WellardSaint]

Poor trainer and apparently is pretty loose.

That’s just wrong. He may have limitations but being a poor trainer is certainly not one of them. On the same topic that is one of the things you’ll see a huge improvement in. Our professionalism at training this year was poor. Will be vastly different next year.

That is really disappointing to think our players are unprofessional during training , well no wonder their on field performance was so sub standard

No they weren’t unprofessional during training, the training was unprofessional compared to the successful teams. Lack of strong discipline and leadership etc. That’s why Hannebery will be important. You can’t underestimate the void left by Roo, Joey and Shinner. They drove our training last year

Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other.
You're wrong- yes, they were unprofessional during training.
This sounds like more Richo corporate spin-
like a politician being interviewed and twisting words.

[saint6709]

Poor trainer and apparently is pretty loose.

That’s just wrong. He may have limitations but being a poor trainer is certainly not one of them. On the same topic that is one of the things you’ll see a huge improvement in. Our professionalism at training this year was poor. Will be vastly different next year.

That is really disappointing to think our players are unprofessional during training , well no wonder their on field performance was so sub standard

No they weren’t unprofessional during training, the training was unprofessional compared to the successful teams. Lack of strong discipline and leadership etc. That’s why Hannebery will be important. You can’t underestimate the void left by Roo, Joey and Shinner. They drove our training last year

Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other.
You're wrong- yes, they were unprofessional during training.
This sounds like more Richo corporate spin-
like a politician being interviewed and twisting words.

I think it’s a pretty big call tony to expect Hannebery to come in and completely turn around the professionalism at training — I think a new coaching group could be expected to do that - and we have anew coaching group - maybe Richo still goes as well then we really have a new coaching group - hopefully off field and onfield performance improves dramatically

[WellardSaint]

+1
for saint6709.
Rooey is a club legend, led by example, drove the standards- Hanneberry is a latecomer.
Minimal impact on standards.

[Gordo']

ffs! dunstan is a blues man??? respect.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Would be disappointing to lose Luke but it might be best for both parties.

[SydneySainter]

You can’t underestimate the void left by Roo, Joey and Shinner. They drove our training last year

well it seems too many did and overestimated the resilience and leadership of the list left

shocking oversight or undersight - in hindsight

and no one saw it coming????

I would even be prepared to cut the club some slack had it not been so inept in preparing themselves for the above retirements.

The best the do is trade in Austin and extend Richo’s contract.

Amateurs.

[Joffa Burns]

Poor trainer and apparently is pretty loose.

That’s just wrong. He may have limitations but being a poor trainer is certainly not one of them. On the same topic that is one of the things you’ll see a huge improvement in. Our professionalism at training this year was poor. Will be vastly different next year.

That is really disappointing to think our players are unprofessional during training , well no wonder their on field performance was so sub standard

No they weren’t unprofessional during training, the training was unprofessional compared to the successful teams. Lack of strong discipline and leadership etc. That’s why Hannebery will be important. You can’t underestimate the void left by Roo, Joey and Shinner. They drove our training last year

Semantics!

Nothing but excuses all year.

Pre-season: after Melbourne loss we had had our break earlier than other teams or some BS.

Early in the season: oh, if only we could kick straight. We are doing everything right but not converting and getting reward on the scoreboard for our effort.

Mid season: The players are down on confidence and out of form.

Late in the season: it became injuries.

Now it’s the loss of experienced players and training standards.

FFS: how about the coaching group put up their hand and take responsibility.

Hawthorn managed to bounce back ok after jettisoning Mitchell, Hodge & Lewis.

[SaintPav]

+1
for saint6709.
Rooey is a club legend, led by example, drove the standards- Hanneberry is a latecomer.
Minimal impact on standards.

Like Hodge at Brisbane.

[rodgerfox]

I think it’s a pretty big call tony to expect Hannebery to come in and completely turn around the professionalism at training — I think a new coaching group could be expected to do that - and we have anew coaching group - maybe Richo still goes as well then we really have a new coaching group - hopefully off field and onfield performance improves dramatically

I don't think he will completely turn anything around. However he will have a significant impact for the better. Combine this with other new blood, an extra year of experience into some guys, and at least some improvement will occur.


Think about how potentially disastrous it is for Clark and Coffield to start their careers in a club void of strong leadership and really strong work ethics.

[rodgerfox]

Poor trainer and apparently is pretty loose.

That’s just wrong. He may have limitations but being a poor trainer is certainly not one of them. On the same topic that is one of the things you’ll see a huge improvement in. Our professionalism at training this year was poor. Will be vastly different next year.

That is really disappointing to think our players are unprofessional during training , well no wonder their on field performance was so sub standard

No they weren’t unprofessional during training, the training was unprofessional compared to the successful teams. Lack of strong discipline and leadership etc. That’s why Hannebery will be important. You can’t underestimate the void left by Roo, Joey and Shinner. They drove our training last year

Semantics!

Nothing but excuses all year.

Pre-season: after Melbourne loss we had had our break earlier than other teams or some BS.

Early in the season: oh, if only we could kick straight. We are doing everything right but not converting and getting reward on the scoreboard for our effort.

Mid season: The players are down on confidence and out of form.

Late in the season: it became injuries.

Now it’s the loss of experienced players and training standards.

FFS: how about the coaching group put up their hand and take responsibility.

Hawthorn managed to bounce back ok after jettisoning Mitchell, Hodge & Lewis.

Although I agree with your premise, Hawthorn to be fair, have staggered their List Management so when some senior guys leave, others are still there. And when they leave, others move into that category. Our List Management over the past decade (in particular from 2009 to 2013) killed us in that regard.

Hawthorn lost Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell - but still had Gibson, Burgoyne, Roughead.

The lost Gibson and Rioli, but still had Burgoyne, Roughead and Birchall and Puopolo stepped up into that 'senior group'.

Next year, they'll add Smith, Stratton, Frawley and even McEvoy into their senior group when they lose some.


I've said this for over 2 years now - but our biggest problem is the lack of a solid senior group. You're right - the club should have seen this coming if we did from here. Adding Brown helped slightly, but nowhere near enough.

[Yorkeys]

Why is Dan the Hann so anxious to come to the Saints? Are the Swans in some internal turmoil and/or the money so much better than he can get elsewhere. I would certainly be interested in how credible player agents see our club. Perhaps there are green shoots some of us just can't see and Farmer Alan will reap twice as many wins next year, get the current ave. up to say 40%. Perhaps for some players finals are not the holy grail. Unfortunately Luke going would not be a big loss, his lack of development is very disappointing after a great debut. Rugby League may have been a better sport for him. He can certainly get the ball but then......

[freely]

Well, he's a melbourne boy so probably just wants to come home. Not too mysterious.

[Toy Saint]

Pretty sure the Hannabury's are a St Kilda family, although Dan's father played for Footscray and his uncle for Collingwood.

[BenLong#21]

The Cho would need 17 wins next season just to get up to 40%.

Hanneberys dad is old boys school chums with lethlean from old Xavs.
This is a stich up.

[Joffa Burns]

Poor trainer and apparently is pretty loose.

That’s just wrong. He may have limitations but being a poor trainer is certainly not one of them. On the same topic that is one of the things you’ll see a huge improvement in. Our professionalism at training this year was poor. Will be vastly different next year.

That is really disappointing to think our players are unprofessional during training , well no wonder their on field performance was so sub standard

No they weren’t unprofessional during training, the training was unprofessional compared to the successful teams. Lack of strong discipline and leadership etc. That’s why Hannebery will be important. You can’t underestimate the void left by Roo, Joey and Shinner. They drove our training last year

Semantics!

Nothing but excuses all year.

Pre-season: after Melbourne loss we had had our break earlier than other teams or some BS.

Early in the season: oh, if only we could kick straight. We are doing everything right but not converting and getting reward on the scoreboard for our effort.

Mid season: The players are down on confidence and out of form.

Late in the season: it became injuries.

Now it’s the loss of experienced players and training standards.

FFS: how about the coaching group put up their hand and take responsibility.

Hawthorn managed to bounce back ok after jettisoning Mitchell, Hodge & Lewis.

Although I agree with your premise, Hawthorn to be fair, have staggered their List Management so when some senior guys leave, others are still there. And when they leave, others move into that category. Our List Management over the past decade (in particular from 2009 to 2013) killed us in that regard.

Hawthorn lost Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell - but still had Gibson, Burgoyne, Roughead.

The lost Gibson and Rioli, but still had Burgoyne, Roughead and Birchall and Puopolo stepped up into that 'senior group'.

Next year, they'll add Smith, Stratton, Frawley and even McEvoy into their senior group when they lose some.


I've said this for over 2 years now - but our biggest problem is the lack of a solid senior group. You're right - the club should have seen this coming if we did from here. Adding Brown helped slightly, but nowhere near enough.

Yes Rodger, I agree with a lot of your post, particularly the leadership progression.

But if we are to believe the loss of senior players caused the drop in training standards it asks more questions than it answers.

- what impact from the coaches?
- why wasn’t Geary, Armo, Steven etc being groomed by Roo & co
- what planning and leadership development programs are in place for the 22-26 year old players?

IMO it is just more excuses, and all we have heard all season is excuses.

[SaintPav]

The Cho would need 17 wins next season just to get up to 40%.

Hanneberys dad is old boys school chums with lethlean from old Xavs.
This is a stich up.

It appears so old Gora, it appears so...

You called it a while ago that Lethers = flog.

But for having the courage and integrity to speak up, your thanks was a ban.

“The duty of youth is to challenge corruption.”
― Kurt Cobain

“Men understand direct communication. It's bitches who speak in code.”
― Kristen Ashley, Knight

[The_President]

We complain that no good players want to come to the club, but then when one does it’s a stitch up?


Hannebery is a 27 year old 3x AA and 1x CA player of the year.

Knee got destroyed in the 2016 GF, got strapped up and kept playing even though he could hardly walk, ruined his 2017 preseason, went in underdone and it took a toll, then played with injuries this year.

We’re getting an absolute bargain.

[st.byron]

Poor trainer and apparently is pretty loose.

That’s just wrong. He may have limitations but being a poor trainer is certainly not one of them. On the same topic that is one of the things you’ll see a huge improvement in. Our professionalism at training this year was poor. Will be vastly different next year.

That is really disappointing to think our players are unprofessional during training , well no wonder their on field performance was so sub standard

No they weren’t unprofessional during training, the training was unprofessional compared to the successful teams. Lack of strong discipline and leadership etc. That’s why Hannebery will be important. You can’t underestimate the void left by Roo, Joey and Shinner. They drove our training last year

Semantics!

Nothing but excuses all year.

Pre-season: after Melbourne loss we had had our break earlier than other teams or some BS.

Early in the season: oh, if only we could kick straight. We are doing everything right but not converting and getting reward on the scoreboard for our effort.

Mid season: The players are down on confidence and out of form.

Late in the season: it became injuries.

Now it’s the loss of experienced players and training standards.

FFS: how about the coaching group put up their hand and take responsibility.

Hawthorn managed to bounce back ok after jettisoning Mitchell, Hodge & Lewis.

Totally agree with you Joffa. You left out, “we are starting badly...watch the heads lift after a good start”. And, “if you just park that fifteen minutes in the third quarter...”.....One excuse after another with sfa accountability. Deflection, implied and later direct blaming of the players......and a post season “thorough” review that didn’t include the head coach. Including the recused head coach saying, “we will leave no stone unturned”.....except for that bloody big rock called Richo in the middle of the river. Just lame. Just shifting deck chairs. Yet to see any genuine accountability at the pointy end of the management triangle.....i.e. Richardson, Finnis, Lethlean, Sexton. At least Summers had the grace to pull the pin. And meanwhile the Saints faithful, resigned to another season with the Milky Bar Kid at the helm, try to find some optimism in a few new assistant coaches and a half buggered ex AA with private school connections to key management.
I guess hope springs eternal.....which would be strongly positive and pleasing, if it wasn’t so unfounded.

[whiskers3614]

We complain that no good players want to come to the club, but then when one does it’s a stitch up?


Hannebery is a 27 year old 3x AA and 1x CA player of the year.

Knee got destroyed in the 2016 GF, got strapped up and kept playing even though he could hardly walk, ruined his 2017 preseason, went in underdone and it took a toll, then played with injuries this year.

We’re getting an absolute bargain.

Yeah,
just like the pick 10 we got for future second rounder and 3x$300k.
Our medical and rehab people are so advanced I'm surprised we didn't go for the Sydney bloke with the 6 ACLs!

[The_President]

We complain that no good players want to come to the club, but then when one does it’s a stitch up?


Hannebery is a 27 year old 3x AA and 1x CA player of the year.

Knee got destroyed in the 2016 GF, got strapped up and kept playing even though he could hardly walk, ruined his 2017 preseason, went in underdone and it took a toll, then played with injuries this year.

We’re getting an absolute bargain.

Yeah,
just like the pick 10 we got for future second rounder and 3x$300k.
Our medical and rehab people are so advanced I'm surprised we didn't go for the Sydney bloke with the 6 ACLs!

Comparing a 3x AA to an untried player?

Good by you.