TRADE: Saints picks 6 & 59 for Giants 12 & 18

[Spinner]

Didn't Freo demand 2 first round picks for Hill.

They did indeed!

[minneapolis]

Thought they may have got 80 and 94 thrown in by The Giants as we need to draft 3 players.

Comment Ace?

[Waltzing St Kilda]

Forget Hill GET BEN KING!!
We got ZJones, Hind, Parker, Kent, Long, Billings
how many little wingers do we need??

Geary Carlisle Webster
Wilkie Howard Savage
Hind Ross ZJones
Billings BKing Parker
Gresham MKing Membrey

Marshal Steele, Clark

Ryder Acres Dunstan Coffield

Another pre season into the young guns we will be fine.

Rotate the king twins, rotate marshal and ryder
Thats a good team.

Tend to agree. Freo is being silly so we have to be prepared to walk away.

Trade for Jones, Ryder, etc., and use 12 as part of a trade for B. King.

[axcellence]

I don’t know if Hill comes or not.
But I did enjoy giving Freo the shock...

[Jacks Back]

That's a lot of shocks

[axcellence]

That's a lot of shocks

Shocking... isn’t it

[groupie1]

Didn't Freo demand 2 first round picks for Hill.

So is it:
1. coincidence ? or
2. was it always part of the Saints plan to get Hill by offering 2 first rounders , or
3. did Freo get a sniff this was happening and make the ask public to try and snaffle both those picks

Tactic to show Bell we're not talkin his demands seriously and won't be held back in other trades by Freo bulls***.

[groupie1]

With all due respect SMS, I would NOT like to see a St Kilda side which continues to include the likes of Geary, Webster and Savage who to me are relics of an unsuccessful past and need to be moved on from plus I have serious doubts on Hind and Parker (including because I believe we have better options)

Plus I have a question mark over Ross despite his CV (just 22 goals from 124 games plus can we select Ross, Steele and Dunstan in the same side noting Steele tackles and handballs and Dunstan is "in and under" so of more team value than Ross?).

And Carlisle is a genuine outer defence KPP, not an accountable last line KPP. You are taking away his strength of intercept marking.

Added to that, Coffield is genuine CLASS, as with Clark and they will be our 2 mid sized defenders with (hopefully) Roberton, then Battle and a contest between Austin, Claravino and Howard on the last line.

And, we only have ONE King on our List.

I agree with a lot of what you say.

We can't no longer accept poor skill execution. I'd actually trade Ross, geary, Savage, Webster for B King now.

[barneyboyz]

With all due respect SMS, I would NOT like to see a St Kilda side which continues to include the likes of Geary, Webster and Savage who to me are relics of an unsuccessful past and need to be moved on from plus I have serious doubts on Hind and Parker (including because I believe we have better options)

Plus I have a question mark over Ross despite his CV (just 22 goals from 124 games plus can we select Ross, Steele and Dunstan in the same side noting Steele tackles and handballs and Dunstan is "in and under" so of more team value than Ross?).

And Carlisle is a genuine outer defence KPP, not an accountable last line KPP. You are taking away his strength of intercept marking.

Added to that, Coffield is genuine CLASS, as with Clark and they will be our 2 mid sized defenders with (hopefully) Roberton, then Battle and a contest between Austin, Claravino and Howard on the last line.

And, we only have ONE King on our List.

What does Savage have to do to demonstrate his worth.
Had a great year. Couple of games he kept us in it.
Not a star but a very good player that knows the drill.

I like Savage, I also think he plays within himself and seems to be introverted. That's not a weakness btw, introverts can be the best members of a team, they simply require a different approach.

He is not unlike Billings, who sometimes looks a little embarrassed being the star, although he is growing in this respect (as you'd expect with age). I think Ratts will be very much a better mentor for both of these blokes to be honest, he will not stifle them

Savage had a fantastic season 2019, and there's no reason not to be there again in 2020. Gears, Jimmy and Robbo, who knows?

[samoht]

Looking past the possible trades ..

Pick 12 and 18 might deliver another Acres and Dunstan via the draft.

Pick 6 had a lot more value... potentially speaking - might deliver a future A grader?

[fugazi]

After pick 1 -3 the draft evens out apparently.
I'd prefer 12 and 18 to pick 6 anyway.

[B.M]

Anyone who thinks Dunstan is more important to the team than Ross

Must be smoking something funny

[barneyboyz]

Anyone who thinks Dunstan is more important to the team than Ross

Must be smoking something funny

The problem though is all of Ross, Dunstan and Steele in the same team. I don't know how often Hill plays directly at a centre bounce? but he would have to take Ross' position on the ground, wouldn't he? Ross is the closest to Hill out of those three (job wise), but wouldn't carry Hill's bag to training

[outside66]

Anyone who thinks Dunstan is more important to the team than Ross

Must be smoking something funny

The problem though is all of Ross, Dunstan and Steele in the same team. I don't know how often Hill plays directly at a centre bounce? but he would have to take Ross' position on the ground, wouldn't he? Ross is the closest to Hill out of those three (job wise), but wouldn't carry Hill's bag to training

Hill will be on the wing

[barneyboyz]

Anyone who thinks Dunstan is more important to the team than Ross

Must be smoking something funny

The problem though is all of Ross, Dunstan and Steele in the same team. I don't know how often Hill plays directly at a centre bounce? but he would have to take Ross' position on the ground, wouldn't he? Ross is the closest to Hill out of those three (job wise), but wouldn't carry Hill's bag to training

Hill will be on the wing

Thanks outside66

[Scollop]

Anyone who thinks Dunstan is more important to the team than Ross

Must be smoking something funny

Ross gets more Brownlow votes and coaches votes than Dunstan or Steele or Acres, but I know which guys are more important to us winning

have a look at the voting for this years TB award. I would have had Billings and Marshall ahead of Sebby but the coaches saw things otherwise

[SaintPav]

Anyone who thinks Dunstan is more important to the team than Ross

Must be smoking something funny

Ross gets more Brownlow votes and coaches votes than Dunstan or Steele or Acres, but I know which guys are more important to us winning

have a look at the voting for this years TB award. I would have had Billings and Marshall ahead of Sebby but the coaches saw things otherwise

Our B&F is not based on a 3-2-1 system. It's more of a rating of each player after every game. Coaches obviously rated Ross more consistently during the season than Marshall and Billings. Steven Baker won the award way back under Thomo I believe.