Jack Newnes

[Zed]

Many on here calling him a spud. Maybe. He has played 150 odd games - some decent ones in there somewhere, and yes should have spent more time at Sandy.
Now we replace him with what? - another clubs spud or our 3rd pick in the draft which is what - pick 100 odd?
For me , I would have kept him , played him at Sandy and maybe he regains some confidence and becomes good enough to force his way back in.
If we had 3 pics in the top 30 of the draft , then yes delist. Just can’t see us replacing him with anyone who will be an improvement.

[shanegrambeau]

, I would have..., played him at Sandy...maybe he regains some confidence.....

Speaking as an accmplished U/15s "C" s back pocket, but mind you, I learnt to pack mark behind Plant 16 at Fisherman's Bend at 28 yrs old, and I am a good batsman
, sorry for wrong sport, I wanna know....and this is kinda key point, was Newnes lacking confidence? Serious question team.

[saintspremiers]

The goat is going to Carlton !

Thank you Carlton. Finally we can get rid of him.

Almost as good as getting Hill

[Enrico_Misso]

The StKilda most consecutive games record has long been held by Ian Synman our Premiership back pocket player with 123.

It is galling that Noname Newnes has equalled that record.
(Perhaps someone on the Board with a sense of history ordered Richo to drop him before reaching the rarified air of 124?)

[WellardSaint]

Check his stats on footywire.
His average disposals were creeping up, until 2017, which I think was when he banged heads with a Swan over a contested ball.
Was never the same after, playing bruise-free (seemingly)
He did average 17.6 this year, better than last year, but most of that was until Rd 6 or so, while we were winning and he seemed to be much more vigorous.

I'm conflicted, about him.
Not sure at all.

[Joffa Burns]

What a waste.

Don't care if the Parkey/Ted/Flamingo brigade flames me but this is just the embodiment of the Cho era ...

Put up with abject mediocrity from a guy who's got all the physical attributes to play and yet, then reward/elevate to leadership groups ... over 123 straight games. Imagine calling out that shite form at times (not all the time - he was certainly serviceable at times) and using it as an opportunity to try others on the list (or, at the very least - teach Jill that 1 tackle in 6 games is unacceptable)/

Nah - not Mr Conservative .... let's just keep doing the same shite over and over again and expect a different result. Seriously - when you see this crap go down, you just realise what a drafting, recruiting and development wasteland we've been.

Hypothetically if in 2020 we improve on our 9 wins in 2019 and make finals, possibly even win one final, what do you think the dominant commentary will be about with regards to the analysis of how we were able to achieve such a result? In your mind who gets the credit?

If we make finals & Hill, Jones, Howard & Butler have cracking seasons it will be the list management team and the new coaching group.

so are you saying that all our team needed to make finals was Hill, Jones, Howard and Butler? l, i.e. the difference between the last round of 2019 to the final round of 2020 was 4 players and some coach changes. Note I don't include the list management team because obviously they won't be taking the field or coaches box in 2020.

Not at all and a little lost how you could draw that conclusion.

The hypothetical question was if we make the finals who gets the credit in the commentary.

My hypothetical answer is the recruiting team & coaching staff get the media credit.

At this point in time I would be hopeful of improvement to be in the mix from 8th - 12th if we have a good run with injury and the new players impact and bond with the team.

[Secret Kiel]

It’s an odd question..,

Your asking what changed to lead to a scenario that hasn’t happened

Could be the new recruits
The game plan
Natural improvement
Maybe we were better in 2019 but it was lost amongst the injuries
Maybe the coaching and leadership make a difference

Varying degrees of all of the above

Maybe none of it

One has to see it

it's a question in relation to the hypothesis that started with "if" so it's well understood I'm sure that there is a lot that can happen between now and final's time in 2020, so back to the hypothesis, and might I add that I agree with all of the suggestions you contribute to the hypothesis and again allude to my inference that there could be legacy reasons for us making finals next year. Obviously recognising it usually takes more than 12 months to build a finals capable team so the new coaches and new player recruits have joined a club with a legacy that has been set down by people that came before them, who would receive credit for that legacy in the event we have had a relatively successful year in 2020 and made finals and maybe even win a final.

[Secret Kiel]

What a waste.

Don't care if the Parkey/Ted/Flamingo brigade flames me but this is just the embodiment of the Cho era ...

Put up with abject mediocrity from a guy who's got all the physical attributes to play and yet, then reward/elevate to leadership groups ... over 123 straight games. Imagine calling out that shite form at times (not all the time - he was certainly serviceable at times) and using it as an opportunity to try others on the list (or, at the very least - teach Jill that 1 tackle in 6 games is unacceptable)/

Nah - not Mr Conservative .... let's just keep doing the same shite over and over again and expect a different result. Seriously - when you see this crap go down, you just realise what a drafting, recruiting and development wasteland we've been.

Hypothetically if in 2020 we improve on our 9 wins in 2019 and make finals, possibly even win one final, what do you think the dominant commentary will be about with regards to the analysis of how we were able to achieve such a result? In your mind who gets the credit?

If we make finals & Hill, Jones, Howard & Butler have cracking seasons it will be the list management team and the new coaching group.

so are you saying that all our team needed to make finals was Hill, Jones, Howard and Butler? l, i.e. the difference between the last round of 2019 to the final round of 2020 was 4 players and some coach changes. Note I don't include the list management team because obviously they won't be taking the field or coaches box in 2020.

Not at all and a little lost how you could draw that conclusion.

The hypothetical question was if we make the finals who gets the credit in the commentary.

My hypothetical answer is the recruiting team & coaching staff get the media credit.

At this point in time I would be hopeful of improvement to be in the mix from 8th - 12th if we have a good run with injury and the new players impact and bond with the team.

So surely by virtue of you insisting the recruiting team would get some credit in this hypothetical situation you are suggesting it will be the combined recruiting efforts of Trout and Gallagher as Gallagher can only be credited with players from 2 trading periods (arguably 1 as he only arrived days before last years trade period and Trout was still in charge) and a possible finals team in 2020 would be stacked much more heavily with players recruited by Trout.

[skeptic]

It’s an odd question..,

Your asking what changed to lead to a scenario that hasn’t happened

Could be the new recruits
The game plan
Natural improvement
Maybe we were better in 2019 but it was lost amongst the injuries
Maybe the coaching and leadership make a difference

Varying degrees of all of the above

Maybe none of it

One has to see it

it's a question in relation to the hypothesis that started with "if" so it's well understood I'm sure that there is a lot that can happen between now and final's time in 2020, so back to the hypothesis, and might I add that I agree with all of the suggestions you contribute to the hypothesis and again allude to my inference that there could be legacy reasons for us making finals next year. Obviously recognising it usually takes more than 12 months to build a finals capable team so the new coaches and new player recruits have joined a club with a legacy that has been set down by people that came before them, who would receive credit for that legacy in the event we have had a relatively successful year in 2020 and made finals and maybe even win a final.

Sure.

Despite my non-rating of Richo, there is absolutely no doubt that he did/made a lot of positive contributions to the playing list/club.
Not least of which is that there is a talented nucleus there with an emphasis on professionalism and positive attitude. Very good quality to promote and certainly Ratts has taken over a much stronger list than Richo started with

[kosifantutti]

[Secret Kiel]

It’s an odd question..,

Your asking what changed to lead to a scenario that hasn’t happened

Could be the new recruits
The game plan
Natural improvement
Maybe we were better in 2019 but it was lost amongst the injuries
Maybe the coaching and leadership make a difference

Varying degrees of all of the above

Maybe none of it

One has to see it

it's a question in relation to the hypothesis that started with "if" so it's well understood I'm sure that there is a lot that can happen between now and final's time in 2020, so back to the hypothesis, and might I add that I agree with all of the suggestions you contribute to the hypothesis and again allude to my inference that there could be legacy reasons for us making finals next year. Obviously recognising it usually takes more than 12 months to build a finals capable team so the new coaches and new player recruits have joined a club with a legacy that has been set down by people that came before them, who would receive credit for that legacy in the event we have had a relatively successful year in 2020 and made finals and maybe even win a final.

Sure.

Despite my non-rating of Richo, there is absolutely no doubt that he did/made a lot of positive contributions to the playing list/club.
Not least of which is that there is a talented nucleus there with an emphasis on professionalism and positive attitude. Very good quality to promote and certainly Ratts has taken over a much stronger list than Richo started with

So does legacy in the context of where our club is right now and where it could be by the 2020 finals games boil down to the simplistic "'rate" or "don't rate" of a single person at the club like Richo? I think he did a lot of good for our club but he had taken us as far as he could but at least he left the place better than he found it. But he wasn't the only one, Peter Summers and Trout also left the place better than when they entered. And so my point is I think for the first time, (starting around 2014), we've had a nucleus (to use your term if I may) of people assume roles at the club who's collective work is combining to put us in a very good position. I mean even the way we've transitioned head coach has been very un St Kilda like. The old St Kilda would have blown up the place by sacking the coach back in 2018 and we would still be recovering, just as one example of the collective and continuous good decision making that's been going on since 2014. And I'm not for one minute suggesting there haven't been things that couldn't have been done better, not at all am I suggesting that, but on the whole I think we've been getting continuous improvement since 2014. I think the refresh of different roles has been done seamlessly and at the right time and all of the building blocks are almost in place for us to produce a team capable of sustained finals appearances. But it hasn't happened overnight and it hasn't happened by accident, it's been happening since 2014.

[Saintly66]

Hooroo, catch you later

[bigred]

And with that, we can draw the Richardson era to a close.

[ss1986]

Many on here calling him a spud. Maybe. He has played 150 odd games - some decent ones in there somewhere, and yes should have spent more time at Sandy.
Now we replace him with what? - another clubs spud or our 3rd pick in the draft which is what - pick 100 odd?
For me , I would have kept him , played him at Sandy and maybe he regains some confidence and becomes good enough to force his way back in.
If we had 3 pics in the top 30 of the draft , then yes delist. Just can’t see us replacing him with anyone who will be an improvement.

$$$$$ man. Third rounder not going to come in and demand the same coin he was on. Don't forget there was a contract for him to sign for a long time and he turned his nose up at it. Good riddance.

[saynta]

The StKilda most consecutive games record has long been held by Ian Synman our Premiership back pocket player with 123.

It is galling that Noname Newnes has equalled that record.
(Perhaps someone on the Board with a sense of history ordered Richo to drop him before reaching the rarified air of 124?)

CHB. Sierra was the back pocket.

[saynta]

Carscum, the new saints reserve team.

[fugazi]

Thank God we won't have to face the team selection on a Thursday night and see J.Newnes on there, followed by 15 ineffectual touches and 4 turnovers, 3 missed tackles, 2 dropped marks and 3 behinds from set shots on game day.
Good luck to him, maybe he will pick up his progress again, but he was finished with us.

[takeaway]

Newnes has dropped off a bit since 2017, whether it was the concussions, shoulder, lost confidence, and/or not played in his best position. However if he gets back to his 2016 & 17 form, when he came 5th and 8th in the B & F in a side that was just outside the 8, he will be in Carlton's 22.

Good pickup by Carlton, and if they also get Jack Martin for free, ended up not a bad trade period.

[Saintly66]

And with that, we can draw the Richardson era to a close.

This post needs a love button to press not just a thumbs up button.

[Joffa Burns]

What a waste.

Don't care if the Parkey/Ted/Flamingo brigade flames me but this is just the embodiment of the Cho era ...

Put up with abject mediocrity from a guy who's got all the physical attributes to play and yet, then reward/elevate to leadership groups ... over 123 straight games. Imagine calling out that shite form at times (not all the time - he was certainly serviceable at times) and using it as an opportunity to try others on the list (or, at the very least - teach Jill that 1 tackle in 6 games is unacceptable)/

Nah - not Mr Conservative .... let's just keep doing the same shite over and over again and expect a different result. Seriously - when you see this crap go down, you just realise what a drafting, recruiting and development wasteland we've been.

Hypothetically if in 2020 we improve on our 9 wins in 2019 and make finals, possibly even win one final, what do you think the dominant commentary will be about with regards to the analysis of how we were able to achieve such a result? In your mind who gets the credit?

If we make finals & Hill, Jones, Howard & Butler have cracking seasons it will be the list management team and the new coaching group.

so are you saying that all our team needed to make finals was Hill, Jones, Howard and Butler? l, i.e. the difference between the last round of 2019 to the final round of 2020 was 4 players and some coach changes. Note I don't include the list management team because obviously they won't be taking the field or coaches box in 2020.

Not at all and a little lost how you could draw that conclusion.

The hypothetical question was if we make the finals who gets the credit in the commentary.

My hypothetical answer is the recruiting team & coaching staff get the media credit.

At this point in time I would be hopeful of improvement to be in the mix from 8th - 12th if we have a good run with injury and the new players impact and bond with the team.

So surely by virtue of you insisting the recruiting team would get some credit in this hypothetical situation you are suggesting it will be the combined recruiting efforts of Trout and Gallagher as Gallagher can only be credited with players from 2 trading periods (arguably 1 as he only arrived days before last years trade period and Trout was still in charge) and a possible finals team in 2020 would be stacked much more heavily with players recruited by Trout.

Given your above MO is to be argumentative, misquote me and draw ridiculous conclusions and try to pass them off as my insistent initiatives, I have decided this is my last response to your post on this matter.

Good day

[saintadamski]

Thank God we won't have to face the team selection on a Thursday night and see J.Newnes on there, followed by 15 ineffectual touches and 4 turnovers, 3 missed tackles, 2 dropped marks and 3 behinds from set shots on game day.
Good luck to him, maybe he will pick up his progress again, but he was finished with us.

OMG I am celebrating with some Tequila tonight baby!!!

The Richo / Newnes era of bottom 4 St. Kilda is OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The future has so much upside now... Congratulations to Ratten and the recruitment team....you've done yourselfs and the Saints proud!!!! WOOHOOO!!!!!

[Joffa Burns]

Newnes has dropped off a bit since 2017, whether it was the concussions, shoulder, lost confidence, and/or not played in his best position. However if he gets back to his 2016 & 17 form, when he came 5th and 8th in the B & F in a side that was just outside the 8, he will be in Carlton's 22.

Good pickup by Carlton, and if they also get Jack Martin for free, ended up not a bad trade period.

If Newnes is in their best they are either focusing in the wrong areas or in trouble.
If he pushes out younger players like Stocker, Fisher, Setterfield, Obrien on the midfield or flanks the Blues are destined to be a bottom 3 club again IMO.

Solid citizen and good depth is about it for mine.

Good luck to Jack, I hope he travels well and plays another 150 games.
Though not a fan favorite, you must respect a guy good enough to etch out 150 AFL games.

[saintadamski]

Newnes has dropped off a bit since 2017, whether it was the concussions, shoulder, lost confidence, and/or not played in his best position. However if he gets back to his 2016 & 17 form, when he came 5th and 8th in the B & F in a side that was just outside the 8, he will be in Carlton's 22.

Good pickup by Carlton, and if they also get Jack Martin for free, ended up not a bad trade period.

If Newnes is in their best they are either focusing in the wrong areas or in trouble.
If he pushes out younger players like Stocker, Fisher, Setterfield, Obrien on the midfield or flanks the Blues are destined to be a bottom 3 club again IMO.

Solid citizen and good depth is about it for mine.

Good luck to Jack, I hope he travels well and plays another 150 games.
Though not a fan favorite, you must respect a guy good enough to etch out 150 AFL games.

He 'etched out' 150 games due to an incompetent coach picking him week in, week out....although to be fair, the list was severely lacking in depth and talent for many years.

Regardless, good luck Jack...I look forward to some belly laughs watching you in a Blues jersey in 2020! Bring it on!!

[magnifisaint]

Jack knows where his bread is buttered. Good luck to him, but you cant reward mediocrity and he was the epitome of it in the last 3 years.

[The Fireman]

How things have changed...we used to get Carlton's rejects.