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The teams that we now won't play twice are Melbourne, Carlton, Geelong, Fremantle and Adelaide. Let's hope that, with respect to the last three, the games that are cancelled are the "away" games and not the "home" games. On the other hand, the value of home ground advantage minus the crowd noise, will be interesting to see.


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The fixture should now favour the top sides from last year.....


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The fixture should now favour the top sides from last year.....


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Re: 22 to 17

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Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?


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To retain the ‘integrity of the competition’ for season 2020 to go ahead and at the same time allowing flexibility to pause and reassess in a few weeks time while also balancing the needs of all stakeholders including the fans

That’s code for; It still means you can have a bet on the footy


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Scollop wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:59am To retain the ‘integrity of the competition’ for season 2020 to go ahead and at the same time allowing flexibility to pause and reassess in a few weeks time while also balancing the needs of all stakeholders including the fans

That’s code for; It still means you can have a bet on the footy
Also code for ... "we're completely sh!tting ourselves if we don't get some kind of season underway and every game - after the season opener - is a bonus because that will mean less cash that Ch 7 / Foxtel are able to withhold from us next year".

The ramifications of this are wide ranging. There's only two AFL clubs that made an actual profit off their own backs last year (WCE/Coll). The other ones that made a "profit" include their handout from the AFL in their revenue figures. No handout = no profit.

Us and a few others will be in all sorts without the mooted gov't assistance loan


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Re: 22 to 17

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skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am ...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
I'm not sure about "benefit" but the reason is to allow more time between now and October to play the 17 rounds, with the expectation that there will have to be breaks because of virus issues. That could be any number of things, with the main being multiple infections at a club. The season would be paused for (say) 7 or more days to allow recovery. The alternative of running the original fixture would have been to award teams affected a bye and 2 points, but that could be very uneven. They did the right (and prudent) thing.


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Re: 22 to 17

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skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
What world are you living in?

Haven’t noticed sport being stopped, paused, postponed right around the globe?


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Re: 22 to 17

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Spinner wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 7:22pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
What world are you living in?

Haven’t noticed sport being stopped, paused, postponed right around the globe?
So stop it or postpone it.

What’s the benefit of reducing 22 to 17


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skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 9:08pm
Spinner wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 7:22pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
What world are you living in?

Haven’t noticed sport being stopped, paused, postponed right around the globe?
So stop it or postpone it.

What’s the benefit of reducing 22 to 17
Less games.

Do you know how long this virus will last? Please inform the rest of the world.


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Re: 22 to 17

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Hey
Spinner wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 4:02am
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 9:08pm
Spinner wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 7:22pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
What world are you living in?

Haven’t noticed sport being stopped, paused, postponed right around the globe?
So stop it or postpone it.

What’s the benefit of reducing 22 to 17
Less games.

Do you know how long this virus will last? Please inform the rest of the world.
Are you being intentionally daft?

If it’s going to spread in games the 5 game difference btw 17 to 22 isn’t going to be the difference in containing the spread

Anyway, the question has been rationally answered above... reads it as you clearly don’t get it

And try to contribute something other than trolling or just don’t post


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Re: 22 to 17

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skeptic wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 11:30am Hey
Spinner wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 4:02am
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 9:08pm
Spinner wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 7:22pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
What world are you living in?

Haven’t noticed sport being stopped, paused, postponed right around the globe?
So stop it or postpone it.

What’s the benefit of reducing 22 to 17
Less games.

Do you know how long this virus will last? Please inform the rest of the world.
Are you being intentionally daft?

If it’s going to spread in games the 5 game difference btw 17 to 22 isn’t going to be the difference in containing the spread

Anyway, the question has been rationally answered above... reads it as you clearly don’t get it

And try to contribute something other than trolling or just don’t post

You’re welcome.

So in case it still isn’t clear though, less games allows the season to be more easily managed , and increases chance of a completed season.

Not trolling at all.. just answering dumb questions with the same tone as they deserve.


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Re: 22 to 17

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perfectionist wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 6:57am The teams that we now won't play twice are Melbourne, Carlton, Geelong, Fremantle and Adelaide. Let's hope that, with respect to the last three, the games that are cancelled are the "away" games and not the "home" games. On the other hand, the value of home ground advantage minus the crowd noise, will be interesting to see.
We might actually win at Geelong this year! Hurrah!!


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22 to 17 is stupid, simple. The AFL could of said we plan to play 22 but as that may not possible we will be changing the fixture so all sides will play each other in the first 17 rounds and then the repeats will be played after that if possible. As I said , simple. They could even go with there floating last 5 rounds ideas that they have thrown around previously

Plan for the best and have contingency from there.


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Goose is king wrote: Sun 22 Mar 2020 9:17am 22 to 17 is stupid, simple. The AFL could of said we plan to play 22 but as that may not possible we will be changing the fixture so all sides will play each other in the first 17 rounds and then the repeats will be played after that if possible. As I said , simple. They could even go with there floating last 5 rounds ideas that they have thrown around previously

Plan for the best and have contingency from there.
So just make it up as they go?

Yep... being up front and clear from the start is much much worse than changing the rules half way through... no outrage in that.


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[quote=Spinner post_id=1842993 time=1584832328 user_id=3595]
[quote="Goose is king" post_id=1842992 time=1584829051 user_id=17709]
22 to 17 is stupid, simple. The AFL could of said we plan to play 22 but as that may not possible we will be changing the fixture so all sides will play each other in the first 17 rounds and then the repeats will be played after that if possible. As I said , simple. They could even go with there floating last 5 rounds ideas that they have thrown around previously

Plan for the best and have contingency from there.
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So just make it up as they go?

Yep... being up front and clear from the start is much much worse than changing the rules half way through... no outrage in that.
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Yes make it up as you go but be clear at every point along the way. May not even get a 17 game season with finals, may get 22 and final series. Round two may not go ahead. Give yourself all options. The AFL can stare down any fake outrage over shifting goal posts


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Re: 22 to 17

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Spinner wrote: Sun 22 Mar 2020 1:49am
skeptic wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 11:30am Hey
Spinner wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 4:02am
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 9:08pm
Spinner wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 7:22pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
What world are you living in?

Haven’t noticed sport being stopped, paused, postponed right around the globe?
So stop it or postpone it.

What’s the benefit of reducing 22 to 17
Less games.

Do you know how long this virus will last? Please inform the rest of the world.
Are you being intentionally daft?

If it’s going to spread in games the 5 game difference btw 17 to 22 isn’t going to be the difference in containing the spread

Anyway, the question has been rationally answered above... reads it as you clearly don’t get it

And try to contribute something other than trolling or just don’t post

You’re welcome.

So in case it still isn’t clear though, less games allows the season to be more easily managed , and increases chance of a completed season.

Not trolling at all.. just answering dumb questions with the same tone as they deserve.
Why so combative spinner?
Your tone these days on all posts is so hostile and your so on the front foot that you’re actually missing what people mean as clearly evidenced here and playing the old words in mouth game.

So explain then... what challenges will they experience in 22 games that they won’t in 17 assuming 17 goes smoothly.
Quite literally the answer seems to be that 17 is the number where everybody plays each other once and it’s the least amount of games.

What’s the point though... it’s either safe to play or it’s not. After a 153 games cutting the next 45 makes things significant easier, logical and safer?

That absurd


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Re: 22 to 17

Post: # 1843021Post Secret Kiel »

skeptic wrote: Sun 22 Mar 2020 11:57am
Spinner wrote: Sun 22 Mar 2020 1:49am
skeptic wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 11:30am Hey
Spinner wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 4:02am
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 9:08pm
Spinner wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 7:22pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
What world are you living in?

Haven’t noticed sport being stopped, paused, postponed right around the globe?
So stop it or postpone it.

What’s the benefit of reducing 22 to 17
Less games.

Do you know how long this virus will last? Please inform the rest of the world.
Are you being intentionally daft?

If it’s going to spread in games the 5 game difference btw 17 to 22 isn’t going to be the difference in containing the spread

Anyway, the question has been rationally answered above... reads it as you clearly don’t get it

And try to contribute something other than trolling or just don’t post

You’re welcome.

So in case it still isn’t clear though, less games allows the season to be more easily managed , and increases chance of a completed season.

Not trolling at all.. just answering dumb questions with the same tone as they deserve.
Why so combative spinner?
Your tone these days on all posts is so hostile and your so on the front foot that you’re actually missing what people mean as clearly evidenced here and playing the old words in mouth game.

So explain then... what challenges will they experience in 22 games that they won’t in 17 assuming 17 goes smoothly.
Quite literally the answer seems to be that 17 is the number where everybody plays each other once and it’s the least amount of games.

What’s the point though... it’s either safe to play or it’s not. After a 153 games cutting the next 45 makes things significant easier, logical and safer?

That absurd
Surely most footy fans have already accepted as round 1 has progressed that the season is hours/days are away from being cancelled.

As a health worker can you mount a case for sport to continue being played?


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Re: 22 to 17

Post: # 1843022Post skeptic »

Secret Kiel wrote: Sun 22 Mar 2020 12:52pm
skeptic wrote: Sun 22 Mar 2020 11:57am
Spinner wrote: Sun 22 Mar 2020 1:49am
skeptic wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 11:30am Hey
Spinner wrote: Fri 20 Mar 2020 4:02am
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 9:08pm
Spinner wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 7:22pm
skeptic wrote: Thu 19 Mar 2020 10:49am Not being at all smart arsey here...
What’s the benefit of reducing the season from 22 to 17?
What world are you living in?

Haven’t noticed sport being stopped, paused, postponed right around the globe?
So stop it or postpone it.

What’s the benefit of reducing 22 to 17
Less games.

Do you know how long this virus will last? Please inform the rest of the world.
Are you being intentionally daft?

If it’s going to spread in games the 5 game difference btw 17 to 22 isn’t going to be the difference in containing the spread

Anyway, the question has been rationally answered above... reads it as you clearly don’t get it

And try to contribute something other than trolling or just don’t post

You’re welcome.

So in case it still isn’t clear though, less games allows the season to be more easily managed , and increases chance of a completed season.

Not trolling at all.. just answering dumb questions with the same tone as they deserve.
Why so combative spinner?
Your tone these days on all posts is so hostile and your so on the front foot that you’re actually missing what people mean as clearly evidenced here and playing the old words in mouth game.

So explain then... what challenges will they experience in 22 games that they won’t in 17 assuming 17 goes smoothly.
Quite literally the answer seems to be that 17 is the number where everybody plays each other once and it’s the least amount of games.

What’s the point though... it’s either safe to play or it’s not. After a 153 games cutting the next 45 makes things significant easier, logical and safer?

That absurd
Surely most footy fans have already accepted as round 1 has progressed that the season is hours/days are away from being cancelled.

As a health worker can you mount a case for sport to continue being played?
No and I’m not arguing to that end.

I see a rationale argument for cancellation
I see a rationale argument for postponing
I see a rationale argument for continuation... if and only if medical science says it’s 100% safe which does not appear to be the case

I don’t see a rationale argument to play 150 games and miss 40


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Post: # 1843025Post Secret Kiel »

skeptic wrote: Sun 22 Mar 2020 12:54pm
... if and only if medical science says it’s 100% safe which does not appear to be the case
I see legal cases on the horizon.


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Post: # 1843030Post Secret Kiel »

And I hope the players haven't been forced to sign legal documents accepting all risk like the Dons players did with injections.


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