List changes

[ace]

Gresham is certain to play in the midfield

And that only one

What if two need replacing?

What if the sky falls, chicken licken?

What if the entire team dies in a plane crash.

[shanegrambeau]

One thing I suspect, players need to be pushed over board these days. They won't jump. Too much at stake. Carlisle, I was a big fan, but he had the op last time to get him right...played a few games, I suspect injured and not 100% but to satisfy his quota per contract (this is all my speculation) ...got injured again. He wasn't 'right'.

I'd love to see him as a Paul Salmon older type, but I'm just projecting. Cold facts are not so good. Players are thoroughly setting up their financial future and they just don't 'hang up the boots' anymore.

On the other hand, look at North Melbourne. Maybe they can turn it around, but there was a view they threw away too much. Our list is middling. I hope Coffield can come good, same with Clark, Bytel, but so many players have plateaued or fallen away and the big import stars like Crouch and Hill are good but not super, super elite good so far..although Hill is the most skilled player on the list IMO.

Heaven forbid we lose Paton down the mediocrity street too. I hope he comes back and stars.

Only Jack Sinclair has improved.

I can't see Jones being uninjured enough to be consistent value so he and Bytel might be swapping places a lot. I still think we need to buy ourselves a Judd from somewhere. Our midfield is still weak. Gresh may help.

If Wood comes on then terrific. Otherwise, we need someone to emerge as a forward, or buy one too. Ben King for CHF please.

[mad saint guy]

My preferred changes

Retire:

Geary
Frawley
Carlisle
Hannebery
Roberton

Delist:

Kent
Lonie
Alabakis
Hunter
McKernan

Trade:

Dunstan
Ross


Round 1, 2022 (from current list)

B: Paton, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Coffield, Battle, Sinclair
C: Hill, Steele, Billings
HF: Higgins, Marshall, Gresham
F: Butler, King, Membrey

Foll: Ryder, Crouch, Jones
Int: Byrnes, Bytel, Clark, Webster


AFL ready depth: Long, Clavarino, Joyce, McKenzie, Connolly, Highmore, Wood
Developing: Allison, Heath, Sharman


See if we can snag any more Membrey/Steele/Higgins style trades to get talented guys in their early twenties struggling for opportunity. Pick up a few of the best prospects in the state leagues. Throw some money at any quality free agent under 28 and see if they're interested (ala Crouch). If there's another Dougal Howard out there, see what it takes to get him (Jack Payne would be perfect). Pick up some ruck insurance. Try to keep a couple of decent picks to use on the best available midfielders in the draft.

If Ben King is gettable, and for a reasonable price then we have to make an offer. But if he's going to cost us two first rounders and Billings or Battle then it's not worth it

[Ghost Like]

My preferred changes

Retire:

Geary
Frawley
Carlisle
Hannebery
Roberton

Delist:

Kent
Lonie
Alabakis
Hunter
McKernan

Trade:

Dunstan
Ross


Round 1, 2022 (from current list)

B: Paton, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Coffield, Battle, Sinclair
C: Hill, Steele, Billings
HF: Higgins, Marshall, Gresham
F: Butler, King, Membrey

Foll: Ryder, Crouch, Jones
Int: Byrnes, Bytel, Clark, Webster


AFL ready depth: Long, Clavarino, Joyce, McKenzie, Connolly, Highmore, Wood
Developing: Allison, Heath, Sharman


See if we can snag any more Membrey/Steele/Higgins style trades to get talented guys in their early twenties struggling for opportunity. Pick up a few of the best prospects in the state leagues. Throw some money at any quality free agent under 28 and see if they're interested (ala Crouch). If there's another Dougal Howard out there, see what it takes to get him (Jack Payne would be perfect). Pick up some ruck insurance. Try to keep a couple of decent picks to use on the best available midfielders in the draft.

If Ben King is gettable, and for a reasonable price then we have to make an offer. But if he's going to cost us two first rounders and Billings or Battle then it's not worth it

Please post more often MSG.

[skeptic]

My preferred changes

Retire:

Geary
Frawley
Carlisle
Hannebery
Roberton

Delist:

Kent
Lonie
Alabakis
Hunter
McKernan

Trade:

Dunstan
Ross


Round 1, 2022 (from current list)

B: Paton, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Coffield, Battle, Sinclair
C: Hill, Steele, Billings
HF: Higgins, Marshall, Gresham
F: Butler, King, Membrey

Foll: Ryder, Crouch, Jones
Int: Byrnes, Bytel, Clark, Webster


AFL ready depth: Long, Clavarino, Joyce, McKenzie, Connolly, Highmore, Wood
Developing: Allison, Heath, Sharman


See if we can snag any more Membrey/Steele/Higgins style trades to get talented guys in their early twenties struggling for opportunity. Pick up a few of the best prospects in the state leagues. Throw some money at any quality free agent under 28 and see if they're interested (ala Crouch). If there's another Dougal Howard out there, see what it takes to get him (Jack Payne would be perfect). Pick up some ruck insurance. Try to keep a couple of decent picks to use on the best available midfielders in the draft.

If Ben King is gettable, and for a reasonable price then we have to make an offer. But if he's going to cost us two first rounders and Billings or Battle then it's not worth it

12 outs in one off-season seems like an awful lot though I agree with the principle in general.

How do you replace them all

[B.M]

No way will make 12 changes

How the f*** do you replace 12?!

We’d have 10 players (qtr of the list!) as first year players!!!

[Vortex]

Cutting one third of your list would be next level, especially in the current climate.

[Teflon]

Keep Clavarino, I don't even know why he got dropped
to be honest, thought he had good speed and was very good in the air and quick with second and third efforts.

Persist with this kid he has good attributes

Tend to be agree thought he’d looked OK
We need a bigger defensive option down there to compliment Doug’s....play him seasons done imo

[Ghost Like]

No way will make 12 changes

How the f*** do you replace 12?!

We’d have 10 players (qtr of the list!) as first year players!!!

I could see 10.

4 x National Draft
4 x Trades
2 x Pre Season Draft

If a player is on our list that we don't value, why keep him if we believe a kid would be better, a low end trade would be better or a unsigned player / discarded player would be better. Obviously we can't afford to pay out players but that's where our List Manager needs to be better, working in conjunction with our recruiters.

It is a lot but I think we all know it's needed.

[B.M]

4 trades?

Who are we trading? Only players of value would be looked at.

Pre Season Draft

Is that still a thing?? Hardly been used in 10 years!

I’m sure not many good players would go through to a pre Season Draft.

And what is our draft hand this year?

[Ghost Like]

4 trades?

Who are we trading? Only players of value would be looked at.

Pre Season Draft

Is that still a thing?? Hardly been used in 10 years!

I’m sure not many good players would go through to a pre Season Draft.

And what is our draft hand this year?

I'm not thinking high end trades unless there are clubs who wish to prise a player from us. More trades in respect of nominal exchanges of draft picks for players another club has too many of and we have too few of.

Why not have a couple of spots open to see who is available come the pre season draft & where we need strengthening on our list.

By all means B.M., feel free to hang on to our rubbish rather than offer opportunities to kids or young State League players.

[Beno88]

No way will make 12 changes

How the f*** do you replace 12?!

We’d have 10 players (qtr of the list!) as first year players!!!

We made 11 changes at the end of last year. 12 if you count Roberton.

We made 12 changes at the end of 2019.

[DJ Higgins]

How about this year we play it normal. By that I mean we don’t go for a big fish especially one that is passed their best. Rather let’s draft with our picks primarily yes we can trade picks and player but let’s keep next years round two for once and get best available regardless of everything else

[mad saint guy]

My preferred changes

Retire:

Geary
Frawley
Carlisle
Hannebery
Roberton

Delist:

Kent
Lonie
Alabakis
Hunter
McKernan

Trade:

Dunstan
Ross

12 outs in one off-season seems like an awful lot though I agree with the principle in general.

How do you replace them all

11 senior listed players out

Promote Wilkie to senior list on 3 year contract
Promote Joyce and Clavarino to senior list on 1 year contracts
Take 4 kids in National draft
Bring in a FA
Trade in a couple of players
Take one pre season draft pick

Fill up the rookie spots in the rookie draft and via the pre season supplementary selection period. This gives us that chance to pick up state league players on one-year contracts rather than the 2 year minimum from the National Draft. Don't want any more Robert Young situations where we have to pay a player out to cut him after the first year if they turn out to be a dud.

[skeptic]

My preferred changes

Retire:

Geary
Frawley
Carlisle
Hannebery
Roberton

Delist:

Kent
Lonie
Alabakis
Hunter
McKernan

Trade:

Dunstan
Ross

12 outs in one off-season seems like an awful lot though I agree with the principle in general.

How do you replace them all

11 senior listed players out

Promote Wilkie to senior list on 3 year contract
Promote Joyce and Clavarino to senior list on 1 year contracts
Take 4 kids in National draft
Bring in a FA
Trade in a couple of players
Take one pre season draft pick

Fill up the rookie spots in the rookie draft and via the pre season supplementary selection period. This gives us that chance to pick up state league players on one-year contracts rather than the 2 year minimum from the National Draft. Don't want any more Robert Young situations where we have to pay a player out to cut him after the first year if they turn out to be a dud.

I’ll take it if we can pull it off… but you’re talking about an FA, trading one in and a PSD pick… who are these. Suppose they can’t be much worse.

[Ghost Like]

My preferred changes

Retire:

Geary
Frawley
Carlisle
Hannebery
Roberton

Delist:

Kent
Lonie
Alabakis
Hunter
McKernan

Trade:

Dunstan
Ross

12 outs in one off-season seems like an awful lot though I agree with the principle in general.

How do you replace them all

11 senior listed players out

Promote Wilkie to senior list on 3 year contract
Promote Joyce and Clavarino to senior list on 1 year contracts
Take 4 kids in National draft
Bring in a FA
Trade in a couple of players
Take one pre season draft pick

Fill up the rookie spots in the rookie draft and via the pre season supplementary selection period. This gives us that chance to pick up state league players on one-year contracts rather than the 2 year minimum from the National Draft. Don't want any more Robert Young situations where we have to pay a player out to cut him after the first year if they turn out to be a dud.

I’ll take it if we can pull it off… but you’re talking about an FA, trading one in and a PSD pick… who are these. Suppose they can’t be much worse.

They could be as bad skeptic but I'll take a chance they could be better. We know what we've got at the moment and not counting the kids we know they are not our future. Time to plow the field.

[skeptic]

My preferred changes

Retire:

Geary
Frawley
Carlisle
Hannebery
Roberton

Delist:

Kent
Lonie
Alabakis
Hunter
McKernan

Trade:

Dunstan
Ross

12 outs in one off-season seems like an awful lot though I agree with the principle in general.

How do you replace them all

11 senior listed players out

Promote Wilkie to senior list on 3 year contract
Promote Joyce and Clavarino to senior list on 1 year contracts
Take 4 kids in National draft
Bring in a FA
Trade in a couple of players
Take one pre season draft pick

Fill up the rookie spots in the rookie draft and via the pre season supplementary selection period. This gives us that chance to pick up state league players on one-year contracts rather than the 2 year minimum from the National Draft. Don't want any more Robert Young situations where we have to pay a player out to cut him after the first year if they turn out to be a dud.

I’ll take it if we can pull it off… but you’re talking about an FA, trading one in and a PSD pick… who are these. Suppose they can’t be much worse.

They could be as bad skeptic but I'll take a chance they could be better. We know what we've got at the moment and not counting the kids we know they are not our future. Time to plow the field.

By and large I 100% agree
I just don’t know that 11-12 players in one off-season is feasible.
Especially if you go and then try and land a big fish like Bing that will cost you some picks. There are 13-14 players at least on the list that need to go… no arguments there but you need to be bringing quality in too rather than replacing dead wood with dead wood. That’s all I’m saying

[footynut]

Could we delist as much deadwood as possible including Frawley, Carlisle, Mckernan, Hunter, Lonie, Kent , and Alabakis (last year as a rookie, I think) and target:
- Daniel Talia (29) from Adelaide to replace Frawley, Carlisle and provide support for the tall backs. However buyer beware he has been injured most of the season.
- Sam Hayes or Mabior Chol (2nd choice) to replace hunter as back up ruck / possibly second ruck if Marshal plays forward more.
- Mitch Wallis to replay Lonie and Kent provide a different option up foward
- Lin Jong / Luke Parker to replace Billings if he leaves / if we can get a first rounders for him. Parkers leadership would also be awesome. these could also replace Hannebery if we can retire him ??? (lets see how he goes at sandy)

[saintsRrising]

From the suggested list:

Retire:

Geary = Paton

Frawley = We need another tall defender. If Howard goes down, then will in poor shape down back. Joyce is only ok. Clavarino looks slow.
Carlisle = If his back surgery goes ok he potentially could be kept as a back up for ruck (better than McKernan or Hunter) as well back up tall defender


Hannebery = It would seem likely. His current return if it fails yet again may the deal breaker. His contract is a problem.
Roberton = With Highmore, Coffield, Wilke, Battle we are will covered here. Plus we have the versatile Webster

Delist:

Kent
Lonie = We may possibly keep one of these two for depth. Higgins has already shown that he is an upgrade on Lonie. Plus in 2022 we have Gresham back as a mid/forward.


Alabakis = yes. Not at all progressing at anywhere near a the required rate
Hunter = yes. What were they thinking. Is clearly not even fringe AF level
McKernan = yes. In theory this should have been ok as a depth player, but he is not as good as he was.

Trade:

Dunstan
Ross = The problem with trying to trade both is that they are both Unrestricted Free Agents. So they can both just walk without a trade. Indeed why would a club trade unless they wanted us to still part -pay the salaries which would seem most unlikely.

I think that at this stage that both would be kept if the salary expectations are reasonable unless we have a star mid coming in. Especially if Dunstan can maintain his current level (he may not). Ross seems to be going ok as an outside role player.



And on Billings. I am not convinced he would generate a first round pick for us, and if not then mid second round pick is unlikely to generate a player better than he is. Indeed mid first round is also unlikely to generate a player better than he is.