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Re: What you see is what we have - Best 22

Post: # 1931453Post Toy Saint »

B.M wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 1:36pm I keep saying it

Gresham is seen by Ratten as an onballer more so than forward
Gresham is good value at the center bounce, but probably doesn't have the tank for full time midfield. Ryder is a bit the same, perhaps they can both take the center bounce then go forward, where they are both very dangerous. I can see Ryder & Gresham rotating with Marshall and Billings.


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Post: # 1931455Post bangaulegend »

shanegrambeau wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 8:23pm
saynta wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 6:17pm
Banger9798 wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 5:36pm Our best team from AFL website for what it's worth

FB: Dougal Howard, Callum Wilkie, Ben Paton
HB: Jack Sinclair, Tom Highmore, Jimmy Webster
C: Brad Hill, Brad Crouch, Jack Billings
HF: Jade Gresham, Rowan Marshall, Tim Membrey
FF: Dan Butler, Max King, Jack Higgins
Foll: Paddy Ryder, Jack Steele, Zak Jones
I/C: Seb Ross, Hunter Clark, Dan Hannebery, Daniel McKenzie

Emerg: Cooper Sharman, Ryan Byrnes, Jarryn Geary, Jack Bytel
http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103418
1) Has Geary given up the co-captiancy thing? If not, he'll start.
2) Coffield will start
3) One of Byrnes or Bytel

So..

OUT: Hannebury, Webster, McKenzie
IN: B1 or B2, Coffield, Geary
Webster finished in the top ten in our B&F & he will be a definite starter IMO


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Post: # 1931465Post shanegrambeau »

bangaulegend wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 9:05pm
shanegrambeau wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 8:23pm
saynta wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 6:17pm
Banger9798 wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 5:36pm Our best team from AFL website for what it's worth

FB: Dougal Howard, Callum Wilkie, Ben Paton
HB: Jack Sinclair, Tom Highmore, Jimmy Webster
C: Brad Hill, Brad Crouch, Jack Billings
HF: Jade Gresham, Rowan Marshall, Tim Membrey
FF: Dan Butler, Max King, Jack Higgins
Foll: Paddy Ryder, Jack Steele, Zak Jones
I/C: Seb Ross, Hunter Clark, Dan Hannebery, Daniel McKenzie

Emerg: Cooper Sharman, Ryan Byrnes, Jarryn Geary, Jack Bytel
http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103418
1) Has Geary given up the co-captiancy thing? If not, he'll start.
2) Coffield will start
3) One of Byrnes or Bytel

So..

OUT: Hannebury, Webster, McKenzie
IN: B1 or B2, Coffield, Geary
Webster finished in the top ten in our B&F & he will be a definite starter IMO
Did he take a step up?
Or did we slip a step back?

Not knocking Jimmy. Love his effort but I got the impression that he isn’t on Ratten’s “ideal no. 1 list”..Rather, I got the feeling he is a trusty replacement for Paton and a much valued reserve.

But TBH, I don’t know. What does he do better now, compared to 2020?


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Post: # 1931468Post bangaulegend »

shanegrambeau wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 10:46pm
bangaulegend wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 9:05pm
shanegrambeau wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 8:23pm
saynta wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 6:17pm
Banger9798 wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 5:36pm Our best team from AFL website for what it's worth

FB: Dougal Howard, Callum Wilkie, Ben Paton
HB: Jack Sinclair, Tom Highmore, Jimmy Webster
C: Brad Hill, Brad Crouch, Jack Billings
HF: Jade Gresham, Rowan Marshall, Tim Membrey
FF: Dan Butler, Max King, Jack Higgins
Foll: Paddy Ryder, Jack Steele, Zak Jones
I/C: Seb Ross, Hunter Clark, Dan Hannebery, Daniel McKenzie

Emerg: Cooper Sharman, Ryan Byrnes, Jarryn Geary, Jack Bytel
http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103418
1) Has Geary given up the co-captiancy thing? If not, he'll start.
2) Coffield will start
3) One of Byrnes or Bytel

So..

OUT: Hannebury, Webster, McKenzie
IN: B1 or B2, Coffield, Geary
Webster finished in the top ten in our B&F & he will be a definite starter IMO
Did he take a step up?
Or did we slip a step back?

Not knocking Jimmy. Love his effort but I got the impression that he isn’t on Ratten’s “ideal no. 1 list”..Rather, I got the feeling he is a trusty replacement for Paton and a much valued reserve.

But TBH, I don’t know. What does he do better now, compared to 2020?
IMO Jimmy definitely stepped up his kicking , decision making & general awareness gave our defence a much needed boost & his courage has never been disputed. Paton will need time to get match conditioned & if Jimmy continues his 2021 form I can't see him being out of the team


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Is Butler best 22? Best at what?


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Post: # 1931483Post B.M »

Provides forward half defensive pressure

Close to the best in the AFL for pressure acts i50


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He reminds me of the office worker running around with a clipboard so we'll think he looks busy.


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bangaulegend wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 11:21pm
shanegrambeau wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 10:46pm
bangaulegend wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 9:05pm
shanegrambeau wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 8:23pm
saynta wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 6:17pm
Banger9798 wrote: Sun 17 Oct 2021 5:36pm Our best team from AFL website for what it's worth

FB: Dougal Howard, Callum Wilkie, Ben Paton
HB: Jack Sinclair, Tom Highmore, Jimmy Webster
C: Brad Hill, Brad Crouch, Jack Billings
HF: Jade Gresham, Rowan Marshall, Tim Membrey
FF: Dan Butler, Max King, Jack Higgins
Foll: Paddy Ryder, Jack Steele, Zak Jones
I/C: Seb Ross, Hunter Clark, Dan Hannebery, Daniel McKenzie

Emerg: Cooper Sharman, Ryan Byrnes, Jarryn Geary, Jack Bytel
http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103418
1) Has Geary given up the co-captiancy thing? If not, he'll start.
2) Coffield will start
3) One of Byrnes or Bytel

So..

OUT: Hannebury, Webster, McKenzie
IN: B1 or B2, Coffield, Geary
Webster finished in the top ten in our B&F & he will be a definite starter IMO
Did he take a step up?
Or did we slip a step back?

Not knocking Jimmy. Love his effort but I got the impression that he isn’t on Ratten’s “ideal no. 1 list”..Rather, I got the feeling he is a trusty replacement for Paton and a much valued reserve.

But TBH, I don’t know. What does he do better now, compared to 2020?
IMO Jimmy definitely stepped up his kicking , decision making & general awareness gave our defence a much needed boost & his courage has never been disputed. Paton will need time to get match conditioned & if Jimmy continues his 2021 form I can't see him being out of the team
Well in that case Paton gets the chop. Jimmy in! Both are miles better than Geary, but what can you do? (unless Gears steps down as Ko-Kapitan) Warning to players: don't train with Rough.


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Post: # 1931584Post saynta »

freely wrote: Mon 18 Oct 2021 11:29pm He reminds me of the office worker running around with a clipboard so we'll think he looks busy.
Not funny. Pretty insulting really. :roll:


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saynta wrote: Tue 19 Oct 2021 10:18am
freely wrote: Mon 18 Oct 2021 11:29pm He reminds me of the office worker running around with a clipboard so we'll think he looks busy.
Not funny. Pretty insulting really. :roll:
I wasn't joking. That's what he reminds me of.


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freely wrote: Tue 19 Oct 2021 4:15pm
saynta wrote: Tue 19 Oct 2021 10:18am
freely wrote: Mon 18 Oct 2021 11:29pm He reminds me of the office worker running around with a clipboard so we'll think he looks busy.
Not funny. Pretty insulting really. :roll:
I wasn't joking. That's what he reminds me of.
Neither was I.


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FB: Dougal Howard, Callum Wilkie, Ben Paton
HB: Jack Sinclair, Josh Battle, Tom Highmore,
C: Brad Hill, Brad Crouch, Daniel McKenzie
HF: Jade Gresham, Rowan Marshall, Tim Membrey
FF: Cooper Sharman, Max King, Jack Higgins
Foll: Paddy Ryder, Jack Steele, Zak Jones
I/C: Jimmy Webster, Hunter Clark, Jack Billings, Dan Hannebery/Ryan Bynes/Nick Coffield

maybe we should of traded Hill & Hannebery for some picks :D


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B: Paton, Howard, Wilkie
HB: Coffield, Battle, Sinclair
C: Hill, Steele, Billings
HF: Higgins, Marshall, Gresham
F: Butler, King, Membrey

Foll: Ryder, Crouch, Jones
Int: Byrnes, Clark, Sharman, Webster


I think Battle is more suited to CHB than Highmore, who is similar to Wilkie but with suspect kicking. Sharman's performances were too good for him not to get a start. Hanners might make an appearance for his 5-6 games at the beginning or end of the season but there's no point in including him in the best 22. Geary was cooked 2 years ago. Bytel needs to add another string to his bow if he wants to break into the 22. Ross should be depth. Clark and Gresham to rotate with the inside mids.


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Post: # 1931655Post B.M »

Ross will be a starting 18 player

Most likely on the wing

McKenzie will also be in the 22

Coffield not ahead of either, he’ll have to fight for a spot


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B.M wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 7:43am Ross will be a starting 18 player

Most likely on the wing

McKenzie will also be in the 22

Coffield not ahead of either, he’ll have to fight for a spot
DMac is an interesting one for me, I'm not sold on him being a player in a premiership side, if he is he will probably have a bit of Robert Eddy about him. And that is meant as no disrespect to DMac because I love the way he attacks the ball and the commitment he gives in every single contest.

But therein lies the problem as I see it, he needs to bring that type of commitment because of his deficiencies in the natural talent department. It's probably why he gets injured frequently and/or injures others. Kamakazi springs to mind if I try and describe his style of play.

I'm hoping he can play a full season in 2022 and get a good run at it so hopefully he can develop into a useful cog in the machine. We need players to go up a gear like never before in the clubs recent history.


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B: Highmore Howard Paton

HB: Sinclair Wilkie Webster

C: Hill Steele Clark

HF: Billings Marshall Membrey

F: Higgins King Sharman

R: Ryder Crouch Gresham

I/C: Jones Ross Butler Coffield


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Post: # 1931663Post footynut »

Webster is interesting... had a solid 2021 and was reliable down back, but could we swing him forward to a HFF to act as that defensive forward??

For some reason I feel he would not only be effective defensively, but would also provide dangerous offensively.


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footynut wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 9:30am Webster is interesting... had a solid 2021 and was reliable down back, but could we swing him forward to a HFF to act as that defensive forward??

For some reason I feel he would not only be effective defensively, but would also provide dangerous offensively.
Isn't the best defensive forward a dangerous forward? If the likes of Higgins, Butler, Membrey, Sharman, Gresham, Billings, King being dangerous offensively is not enough then I don't see why a non dangerous, non goalkicking forward would improve us.

Surely it's incumbent on every forward in today's game to put pressure on their direct opponent when it's in the opposition's possession.


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All these teams without Geary are hogwash IMO. He is co-captain, so put him in! I’m interested to see who you would chop out to make way. That’s the interesting bit. Come on. Be realistic!


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shanegrambeau wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 1:44pm All these teams without Geary are hogwash IMO. He is co-captain, so put him in! I’m interested to see who you would chop out to make way. That’s the interesting bit. Come on. Be realistic!
Doubt he will be captain in 2022.

We need to get to a point where Geary, Ross, Hill, are not automatic selections based on what they HAVE done but rather what they are doing.


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older saint wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 4:32pm
shanegrambeau wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 1:44pm All these teams without Geary are hogwash IMO. He is co-captain, so put him in! I’m interested to see who you would chop out to make way. That’s the interesting bit. Come on. Be realistic!
Doubt he will be captain in 2022.

We need to get to a point where Geary, Ross, Hill, are not automatic selections based on what they HAVE done but rather what they are doing.
If he isn’t gonna be co-captain he should have been chopped and delisted! Now, his managers could pull a swiftly by playing the cards in the right order.

1) state that you expect to be captain and selected player in first 22
2) let the others be cut and delisted
3) slip past the November 29th deadline
4) now, and only now, gracefully step-down as co-captain
5) Line up at halfback for St Kilda.
6) Round five to round sixteen , Sandy.
7) When injuries are rife, and season has gone completely pear-shaped, pop up for two games
8) Round 18, GT takes over as care-taker coach, dropped again.
9) Rounds 20-22 Orange boy
10) 2023 AFL 360


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Post: # 1931715Post B.M »

Geary should NOT be on the list

Love the bloke

But if we are serious he should’ve been tapped on the shoulder

Bizarre IMO


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Captain/Coach at Sandy.


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B.M wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 5:07pm Geary should NOT be on the list

Love the bloke

But if we are serious he should’ve been tapped on the shoulder

Bizarre IMO
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shanegrambeau wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 4:51pm
older saint wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 4:32pm
shanegrambeau wrote: Wed 20 Oct 2021 1:44pm All these teams without Geary are hogwash IMO. He is co-captain, so put him in! I’m interested to see who you would chop out to make way. That’s the interesting bit. Come on. Be realistic!
Doubt he will be captain in 2022.

We need to get to a point where Geary, Ross, Hill, are not automatic selections based on what they HAVE done but rather what they are doing.
If he isn’t gonna be co-captain he should have been chopped and delisted! Now, his managers could pull a swiftly by playing the cards in the right order.

1) state that you expect to be captain and selected player in first 22
2) let the others be cut and delisted
3) slip past the November 29th deadline
4) now, and only now, gracefully step-down as co-captain
5) Line up at halfback for St Kilda.
6) Round five to round sixteen , Sandy.
7) When injuries are rife, and season has gone completely pear-shaped, pop up for two games
8) Round 18, GT takes over as care-taker coach, dropped again.
9) Rounds 20-22 Orange boy
10) 2023 AFL 360
Sorry Mrs Geary, thank you & goodbye to Jarryn. If you can not find better players then I understand why St Kilda will not improve in 2022.


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