Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
- kosifantutti
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8583
- Joined: Fri 21 Jan 2005 9:06am
- Location: Back in town
- Has thanked: 527 times
- Been thanked: 1532 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23139
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9080 times
- Been thanked: 3942 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
f***. That's great.
I remember Russell Jeffrey imploring the club to recruit more indigenous players. Black magic he called it.
This draft we welcome an additional 4 indigenous lads and I for one, could not be happier.
Love our current recruiters.
Go saints
I remember Russell Jeffrey imploring the club to recruit more indigenous players. Black magic he called it.
This draft we welcome an additional 4 indigenous lads and I for one, could not be happier.
Love our current recruiters.
Go saints
- Impatient Sainter
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4089
- Joined: Tue 05 Apr 2016 3:30pm
- Has thanked: 2622 times
- Been thanked: 1078 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
I totally agree Saynta they bring some very special traits to the game and the clubs they represent.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23139
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9080 times
- Been thanked: 3942 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23139
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9080 times
- Been thanked: 3942 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Yep.Impatient Sainter wrote: ↑Fri 26 Nov 2021 3:36pm I totally agree Saynta they bring some very special traits to the game and the clubs they represent.
"St Kilda’s 2021 playing list will now feature a club-record eight Indigenous players: Bradley Hill, Paddy Ryder, Jade Gresham, Ben Long and draftees Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Marcus Windhager, Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle."
- ace
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10781
- Joined: Sun 16 Dec 2007 3:28pm
- Location: St Kilda
- Has thanked: 31 times
- Been thanked: 828 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
UPDATE to show no rookie "A" taken in rookie draft
Rookie "B' selections announced by club, Josiah Kyle & Jack Peris https://www.saints.com.au/news/1033891/ ... -b-rookies
SENIORS
1 Oscar Adams 2023
2 Matt Allison 2022
3 Josh Battle 2022
4 Jack Billings 2025
5 Dan Butler 2022
6 Ryan Byrnes 2022
7 Jack Bytel 2022
8 Tom Campbell 2022
9 Hunter Clark 2023
10 Nick Coffield 2023
11 Leo Connolly 2023
12 Brad Crouch 2024 +1
13 Jarryn Geary 2022
14 Jade Gresham 2023
15 Dan Hannebery 2022 + 1
16 Jack Higgins 2023
17 Tom Highmore 2022
18 Brad Hill 2024 + 1
19 Dougal Howard 2024
20 Zak Jones 2023
21 Dean Kent 2022
22 Max King 2026
23 Ben Long 2022
24 Daniel McKenzie 2022
25 Rowan Marshall 2022
26 Tim Membrey 2024
27 Mitchito Owens 2023
28 Ben Paton 2022
29 Sebastian Ross 2023 + 1
30 Paddy Ryder 2023
31 Jack Sinclair 2024
32 Jack Steele 2022
33 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 2023
34 Jimmy Webster 2022
35 Callum Wilkie 2023
36 Marcus Windhager 2023
ROOKIES A
1 Max Heath 2022
2 Darragh Joyce 2022
3 Cooper Sharman 2023
4 Mason Wood 2022
5 ---------------------
6 ---------------------
ROOKIES B
1 Josiah Kyle 2022
2 Jack Peris 2022
Senior list must be 36 to 38
Rookie A list must be 4 to 6
Total senior plus rookie A players no more than 42
2 rookie B allowed on top
St Kilda made a total of 4 draft selections, 1 rookie promotions and 2 rookie "B" selections.
So as it stands St Kilda can still make 2 rookie "A" selections that were left vacant for pre season supplemental selection or mid season rookie drafts.
The club website has no news on an upgrade of Callum Wilkie but it has been identified in the media.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/ ... mary-list/
Rookie "B' selections announced by club, Josiah Kyle & Jack Peris https://www.saints.com.au/news/1033891/ ... -b-rookies
SENIORS
1 Oscar Adams 2023
2 Matt Allison 2022
3 Josh Battle 2022
4 Jack Billings 2025
5 Dan Butler 2022
6 Ryan Byrnes 2022
7 Jack Bytel 2022
8 Tom Campbell 2022
9 Hunter Clark 2023
10 Nick Coffield 2023
11 Leo Connolly 2023
12 Brad Crouch 2024 +1
13 Jarryn Geary 2022
14 Jade Gresham 2023
15 Dan Hannebery 2022 + 1
16 Jack Higgins 2023
17 Tom Highmore 2022
18 Brad Hill 2024 + 1
19 Dougal Howard 2024
20 Zak Jones 2023
21 Dean Kent 2022
22 Max King 2026
23 Ben Long 2022
24 Daniel McKenzie 2022
25 Rowan Marshall 2022
26 Tim Membrey 2024
27 Mitchito Owens 2023
28 Ben Paton 2022
29 Sebastian Ross 2023 + 1
30 Paddy Ryder 2023
31 Jack Sinclair 2024
32 Jack Steele 2022
33 Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 2023
34 Jimmy Webster 2022
35 Callum Wilkie 2023
36 Marcus Windhager 2023
ROOKIES A
1 Max Heath 2022
2 Darragh Joyce 2022
3 Cooper Sharman 2023
4 Mason Wood 2022
5 ---------------------
6 ---------------------
ROOKIES B
1 Josiah Kyle 2022
2 Jack Peris 2022
Senior list must be 36 to 38
Rookie A list must be 4 to 6
Total senior plus rookie A players no more than 42
2 rookie B allowed on top
St Kilda made a total of 4 draft selections, 1 rookie promotions and 2 rookie "B" selections.
So as it stands St Kilda can still make 2 rookie "A" selections that were left vacant for pre season supplemental selection or mid season rookie drafts.
The club website has no news on an upgrade of Callum Wilkie but it has been identified in the media.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/11/05/ ... mary-list/
Last edited by ace on Sat 27 Nov 2021 1:50pm, edited 2 times in total.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10598
- Joined: Tue 14 Jun 2005 7:04pm
- Location: North
- Has thanked: 1011 times
- Been thanked: 1055 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Thanks for that Ace. Appreciate the info.
Can anyone clarify the difference between Cat A rookie and Cat B rookie?
As I understand it, Cat A rookies are basically an extension of the main list and can be selected for senior games just like the guys on the main list. Cat B rookies are not able to be selected for senior games without being upgraded to Cat A. Is that correct?
Can anyone clarify the difference between Cat A rookie and Cat B rookie?
As I understand it, Cat A rookies are basically an extension of the main list and can be selected for senior games just like the guys on the main list. Cat B rookies are not able to be selected for senior games without being upgraded to Cat A. Is that correct?
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2490
- Joined: Mon 19 Mar 2012 8:54pm
- Has thanked: 140 times
- Been thanked: 546 times
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1312
- Joined: Mon 17 Oct 2011 7:19pm
- Has thanked: 613 times
- Been thanked: 402 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Not exactly.st.byron wrote: ↑Fri 26 Nov 2021 3:53pm Thanks for that Ace. Appreciate the info.
Can anyone clarify the difference between Cat A rookie and Cat B rookie?
As I understand it, Cat A rookies are basically an extension of the main list and can be selected for senior games just like the guys on the main list. Cat B rookies are not able to be selected for senior games without being upgraded to Cat A. Is that correct?
Each club is allowed to maintain a list of up to six eligible Category A rookies and three Category B rookies.
Up to three rookies can be retained, with the player's permission for a second or third season, the others must be either delisted or elevated to the primary list at the time of the National Draft.
This benefits clubs because only half of the salary paid by a club to players on the rookie list count towards the league's salary cap.
Generally speaking, a rookie-listed player cannot be selected to play in the senior AFL competition, and must play in state-level affiliated teams, except in two circumstances:
At the start of a season, a club can nominate up to two veterans from its senior list for salary cap reasons. If a team does not have a full quota of veterans, it can make up the balance by nominating rookies to be eligible for senior selection. These players are known as nominated rookies.
If a senior-listed player is moved onto the long-term injury list, a rookie-listed player can be temporarily elevated in his place, becoming eligible for senior selection, while the senior player remains injured.
There are usually plenty of opportunities to enact one of these rules, so rookie-listed players who are playing well enough for senior selection are rarely deprived of the opportunity by list management constraints.
Category B rookies are players who are selected rather than drafted and come from non traditional playing backgrounds.
In our case Peris and Kyle are indigenous boys in the academy.
Last edited by damienc on Fri 26 Nov 2021 4:36pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10598
- Joined: Tue 14 Jun 2005 7:04pm
- Location: North
- Has thanked: 1011 times
- Been thanked: 1055 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Thanks Damien. Does that mean that at the start of the season, if, and it's a big if, all the players on the Senior list are fit and able to be selected, then players like Sharman, Wood and Joyce on the Cat A rookie list are ineligible for selection and would only become eligible if a senior player moves onto the long term injury list or retires?damienc wrote: ↑Fri 26 Nov 2021 4:16pmNot exactly.st.byron wrote: ↑Fri 26 Nov 2021 3:53pm Thanks for that Ace. Appreciate the info.
Can anyone clarify the difference between Cat A rookie and Cat B rookie?
As I understand it, Cat A rookies are basically an extension of the main list and can be selected for senior games just like the guys on the main list. Cat B rookies are not able to be selected for senior games without being upgraded to Cat A. Is that correct?
Each club is allowed to maintain a list of up to six eligible Category A rookies and three Category B rookies.
Up to three rookies can be retained, with the player's permission for a second or third season, the others must be either delisted or elevated to the primary list at the time of the National Draft.
This benefits clubs because only half of the salary paid by a club to players on the rookie list count towards the league's salary cap.
Generally speaking, a rookie-listed player cannot be selected to play in the senior AFL competition, and must play in state-level affiliated teams, except in two circumstances:
At the start of a season, a club can nominate up to two veterans from its senior list for salary cap reasons. If a team does not have a full quota of veterans, it can make up the balance by nominating rookies to be eligible for senior selection. These players are known as nominated rookies.
If a senior-listed player is moved onto the long-term injury list, a rookie-listed player can be temporarily elevated in his place, becoming eligible for senior selection, while the senior player remains injured.
There are usually plenty of opportunities to enact one of these rules, so rookie-listed players who are playing well enough for senior selection are rarely deprived of the opportunity by list management constraints.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1312
- Joined: Mon 17 Oct 2011 7:19pm
- Has thanked: 613 times
- Been thanked: 402 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Sharman, Wood and Joyce are all nominated rookies so they are eligible to play senior football.
Heath, Peris and Kyle are clearly long term projects but if in the course of 2022 they start to show the kind of form to warrant senior selection then the club will find a way to play them.
Rookies who are good enough will always get a game.
Heath, Peris and Kyle are clearly long term projects but if in the course of 2022 they start to show the kind of form to warrant senior selection then the club will find a way to play them.
Rookies who are good enough will always get a game.
- magnifisaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 8140
- Joined: Sun 02 May 2004 2:52am
- Has thanked: 228 times
- Been thanked: 610 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Category A rookies category B rookies. How complicated does the AFL need to make it?
Posting 20 years of holey crap!
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2776
- Joined: Sun 25 Apr 2021 9:43pm
- Has thanked: 706 times
- Been thanked: 783 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Strongest list in a decade
The Artist formerly known as Fugazi
- skeptic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 17028
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
- Has thanked: 3647 times
- Been thanked: 2918 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
A crack at a top 22
B - Webster, Howard, Wilkie
HB - Highmore, Battle, Sinclair
C - Hill, Steele, Clark
HF - Billings, Marshall, Gresham
F - Butler, King, Membrey
R - Ryder, Crouch, Jones
Int - Higgins, Ross, Coffield, Sharman
Emg - Campbell, Bytel, Paton
Next in line: Byrnes, Dmac, Long, Connolly and NWM (for development)
Not an easy task
Sucks to leave Paton out but I guess it depends on how he returns from injury
Also don’t like leaving Bytel our... kid needs more game time.
Becomes increasingly difficult to justify a selection of Ross... not due to lack of talent right now but if he’s not getting better and having periods of ‘role time’, I’d really rather play Byrnes, Bytel, Connolly, Dmac etc all of that is assuming Hannebery isn’t fit to play which whilst a seemingly safe assumption, makes it harder if he actually gets on the park.
Ruck situation still feels light
We have a plethora of marking defenders that I don’t quite know how to balance. IMO it only makes sense if Battle really assumes the close checking CHB role with Wilkie, Highmore and Coffield focusing on run. Highmore to me is still a mystery in terms of fitting him into the structure... no doubting his talent but I’m uncertain as to his mobility/run which we need a bit more of out of defence.
One thing is for certain...
There are a lot of options there that should stop Kent and Joyce getting games. If those two play with any consistency I reckon we’re in serious trouble
B - Webster, Howard, Wilkie
HB - Highmore, Battle, Sinclair
C - Hill, Steele, Clark
HF - Billings, Marshall, Gresham
F - Butler, King, Membrey
R - Ryder, Crouch, Jones
Int - Higgins, Ross, Coffield, Sharman
Emg - Campbell, Bytel, Paton
Next in line: Byrnes, Dmac, Long, Connolly and NWM (for development)
Not an easy task
Sucks to leave Paton out but I guess it depends on how he returns from injury
Also don’t like leaving Bytel our... kid needs more game time.
Becomes increasingly difficult to justify a selection of Ross... not due to lack of talent right now but if he’s not getting better and having periods of ‘role time’, I’d really rather play Byrnes, Bytel, Connolly, Dmac etc all of that is assuming Hannebery isn’t fit to play which whilst a seemingly safe assumption, makes it harder if he actually gets on the park.
Ruck situation still feels light
We have a plethora of marking defenders that I don’t quite know how to balance. IMO it only makes sense if Battle really assumes the close checking CHB role with Wilkie, Highmore and Coffield focusing on run. Highmore to me is still a mystery in terms of fitting him into the structure... no doubting his talent but I’m uncertain as to his mobility/run which we need a bit more of out of defence.
One thing is for certain...
There are a lot of options there that should stop Kent and Joyce getting games. If those two play with any consistency I reckon we’re in serious trouble
- spiral3
- Club Player
- Posts: 187
- Joined: Wed 14 Sep 2011 7:37pm
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 16 times
- Been thanked: 89 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Rowan Marshall 2022
Sebastian Ross 2023 + 1
Jack Steele 2022
This doesn't make much sense to me.
No concerns over Jack staying but I'd like to see us lock away Rowan pretty soon.
Would much rather Seb was a year to year deal. He will be surpassed by one of the younger guys (Bytel, Byrnes, Nas, Owens?, Windhager?) in the near future
Sebastian Ross 2023 + 1
Jack Steele 2022
This doesn't make much sense to me.
No concerns over Jack staying but I'd like to see us lock away Rowan pretty soon.
Would much rather Seb was a year to year deal. He will be surpassed by one of the younger guys (Bytel, Byrnes, Nas, Owens?, Windhager?) in the near future
- diddley
- Club Player
- Posts: 667
- Joined: Sat 29 Oct 2016 12:53am
- Has thanked: 63 times
- Been thanked: 186 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
I am now very interested to see where we stand in terms of average age across the league.
Adding 6 very young blokes, while having quite a few veterans retire would make us one of the youngest now.
Compared to last year when it was skewed with the older top up veterans and no real youth being picked up.
Adding 6 very young blokes, while having quite a few veterans retire would make us one of the youngest now.
Compared to last year when it was skewed with the older top up veterans and no real youth being picked up.
-
- SS Life Member
- Posts: 2776
- Joined: Sun 25 Apr 2021 9:43pm
- Has thanked: 706 times
- Been thanked: 783 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Peris ran a sub 22 second 200m as a 16 year old...that's quick
The Artist formerly known as Fugazi
- saintsRrising
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 30096
- Joined: Mon 15 Mar 2004 11:07am
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 711 times
- Been thanked: 1234 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Hannas for Ross
And Paton competing with Webster and Coffield for a spot.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
- Sainter_Dad
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6339
- Joined: Thu 05 Jun 2008 1:04pm
- Has thanked: 263 times
- Been thanked: 1124 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
World Under 18/20 Best Performance is 19.84 with +.03 for Wind on 27/6/21Banger9798 wrote: ↑Fri 26 Nov 2021 6:14pm Peris ran a sub 22 second 200m as a 16 year old...that's quick
U Bolt - 200m is 19.19
“Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but stupid lasts forever.”
― Aristophanes
If you have a Bee in your Bonnet - I can assist you with that - but it WILL involve some smacking upside the head!
― Aristophanes
If you have a Bee in your Bonnet - I can assist you with that - but it WILL involve some smacking upside the head!
- Impatient Sainter
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4089
- Joined: Tue 05 Apr 2016 3:30pm
- Has thanked: 2622 times
- Been thanked: 1078 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Welcome to the club Jack & Josiah, its exciting to have such great new talent coming to the club.
Here is a great background story on Josiah - https://www.saints.com.au/news/560207/m ... generation
Here is a great background story on Josiah - https://www.saints.com.au/news/560207/m ... generation
- saintbrat
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 44575
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:11pm
- Location: saints zone
- Has thanked: 6 times
- Been thanked: 188 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
apparently went from 2nd oldest to 5th oldest.diddley wrote: ↑Fri 26 Nov 2021 5:48pm I am now very interested to see where we stand in terms of average age across the league.
Adding 6 very young blokes, while having quite a few veterans retire would make us one of the youngest now.
Compared to last year when it was skewed with the older top up veterans and no real youth being picked up.
StReNgTh ThRoUgH LoYaLtY
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
- saintbrat
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 44575
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 4:11pm
- Location: saints zone
- Has thanked: 6 times
- Been thanked: 188 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Just keeping the Jack pack going- remains at 6
and the J Squad a solid 11
and the J Squad a solid 11
StReNgTh ThRoUgH LoYaLtY
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
Rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly..!!
MEMBERSHIP 2014 31,134 Membership 2015 32,746 MEMBERSHIP 2016 - 38,101
MEMBERSHIP 2017 42,095 , Membership 2018 46,998
MEMBERSHIP 2019 43,106 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php? ... 9#p1816890
MEMBERSHIP 2020 48,588 http://saintsational.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=100107
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23139
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 9080 times
- Been thanked: 3942 times
- diddley
- Club Player
- Posts: 667
- Joined: Sat 29 Oct 2016 12:53am
- Has thanked: 63 times
- Been thanked: 186 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Hmm.saintbrat wrote: ↑Sat 27 Nov 2021 10:26amapparently went from 2nd oldest to 5th oldest.diddley wrote: ↑Fri 26 Nov 2021 5:48pm I am now very interested to see where we stand in terms of average age across the league.
Adding 6 very young blokes, while having quite a few veterans retire would make us one of the youngest now.
Compared to last year when it was skewed with the older top up veterans and no real youth being picked up.
I would have thought it would have had a bigger impact than that.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6080
- Joined: Sat 12 Sep 2015 1:03pm
- Has thanked: 337 times
- Been thanked: 1568 times
Re: Welcome Jack Peris and Josiah Kyle
Whats the difference between 1st and last? A decade or a couple of years.