POLL Y or N- happy for Ross to be our guy again?

[whiskers3614]

Got them to a GF

And what happened the year after, and then the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that ... which became too much and ended up getting him sacked?
Freo had seen enough.

Wasn't there a harassment allegations against Ross with a few young female staffers that was part of the reason he got the flick.
Not much said about it but if the club does its due diligent this should come up in there investigations just another reason not to get ross in.
He is popular with the past players but that's what they are Past players our list is a lot different now, and I still remember the fallout of the next 10 years after ross left with the lack of young talent coming through and the Ball, Lovett disaster no pick for ball and Lovett we give up a first rounder and no games, Ross had a big hand in both situations.

you are blaming him for Lovetts actions ? lol
So you are saying his crystall ball is useless ?

Recruited a known scumbag!
Was said at the time that he was after speed and spread, but proven known idiots should be avoided.

[samoht]

Let's hope it's a 1x1x1x1x1 year contract, with us having the right to exercise the options if we so wish at yearly intervals or give him the flick at anytime.
Even if we need to pay $100,000 per annum over the going rate to have these options in place.

[Mr Magic]

Let's hope it's a 1x1x1x1x1 year contract, with us having the right to exercise the options if we so wish at yearly intervals or give him the flick at anytime.
Even if we need to pay $100,000 per annum over the going rate to have these options in place.

Just curious.
Why would you think he (let alone any other coach) would sign such a lopsided contract?
We've chased him.
He didn't apply to us.
He has all the bargaining power because he's wanted by us.

[freely]

It's funny isn't it that it's largely those who complain about the club too often 'bending over' who are.so keen to take another shafting from Ross Lyon. We're like a battered wife, blaming ourselves and begging our abuser to come home. I'm afraid those who think he'll make us relevant and respected are likely to be disappointed. This whole episode makes us look like punching bags, incapable of moving on.

[magnifisaint]

It's funny isn't it that it's largely those who complain about the club too often 'bending over' who are.so keen to take another shafting from Ross Lyon. We're like a battered wife, blaming ourselves and begging our abuser to come home. I'm afraid those who think he'll make us relevant and respected are likely to be disappointed. This whole episode makes us look like punching bags, incapable of moving on.

What's the alternative?

[magnifisaint]

'I owe a lot of my success to him': Brayshaw backs Lyon for Saints gig - https://www.afl.com.au/news/859103

[WellardSaint]

It's funny isn't it that it's largely those who complain about the club too often 'bending over' who are.so keen to take another shafting from Ross Lyon. We're like a battered wife, blaming ourselves and begging our abuser to come home. I'm afraid those who think he'll make us relevant and respected are likely to be disappointed. This whole episode makes us look like punching bags, incapable of moving on.

What's the alternative?

Buckley.
Grand final.
Recently.
That is all

[The Fireman]

It's funny isn't it that it's largely those who complain about the club too often 'bending over' who are.so keen to take another shafting from Ross Lyon. We're like a battered wife, blaming ourselves and begging our abuser to come home. I'm afraid those who think he'll make us relevant and respected are likely to be disappointed. This whole episode makes us look like punching bags, incapable of moving on.

What's the alternative?

Buckley.
Grand final.
Recently.
That is all

If we chose fig I would have battered myself

[samoht]

Let's hope it's a 1x1x1x1x1 year contract, with us having the right to exercise the options if we so wish at yearly intervals or give him the flick at anytime.
Even if we need to pay $100,000 per annum over the going rate to have these options in place.

Just curious.
Why would you think he (let alone any other coach) would sign such a lopsided contract?
We've chased him.
He didn't apply to us.
He has all the bargaining power because he's wanted by us.

Why is it lopsided?
He'd be getting $100,000 p.a. more than the going rate.

All future coaches should be subject to something similar, not just Lyon ... it's to protect us from ourselves.

After they've agreed to a million dollar contract, say ... we can turn around and say, "we'll agree to paying you $1.1 million (another $100k more), but you'll
have to give us options to break the contract, if things go pear-shaped. If you fail to deliver.

If the about-to-be-signed coach (whoever it is) think they'll improve us, why would they hesitate to sign such a contract?

Isn't that what is being promised here by Lyon - that he'll improve us - and what we'd be expecting from him.
Coaching is result-driven ... not promise driven. Goals should be defined.

[Gershwin]

In his last 4 years with Fremantle they finished 16, 14, 14 and 13. It seemed that his successful days were over.

I really think we have made a mistake but I will support the club as I have for 57 years.

[Mr Magic]

Let's hope it's a 1x1x1x1x1 year contract, with us having the right to exercise the options if we so wish at yearly intervals or give him the flick at anytime.
Even if we need to pay $100,000 per annum over the going rate to have these options in place.

Just curious.
Why would you think he (let alone any other coach) would sign such a lopsided contract?
We've chased him.
He didn't apply to us.
He has all the bargaining power because he's wanted by us.

Why is it lopsided?
He'd be getting $100,000 p.a. more than the going rate.

All future coaches should be subject to something similar, not just Lyon ... it's to protect us from ourselves.

After they've agreed to a million dollar contract, say ... we can turn around and say, "we'll agree to paying you $1.1 million (another $100k more), but you'll
have to give us options to break the contract, if things go pear-shaped. If you fail to deliver.

If the about-to-be-signed coach (whoever it is) think they'll improve us, why would they hesitate to sign such a contract?

Isn't that what is being promised here by Lyon - that he'll improve us - and what we'd be expecting from him.
Coaching is result-driven ... not promise driven. Goals should be defined.

I didn't realize you were speaking of fantasyland.
Back in the real world, IMHO, no prospective AFL coach would even consider a contract you're describing.
And you seem to be missing the point - he didn't approach us for the job.
We apparently chased him.
So, given that narrative, you expect us to be able to dictate terms and conditions that have never been in place in the AFL?
Seriously?
You expect him to take on a job for 10% more money but no long term guarantee?
Who in their right mind (in the AFL) would accept that?

[samoht]

The coaches that believe in themselves and their ability to deliver results ... that they'll make a difference.
There's an extra $100k for them p.a.

Long term on the proviso that they deliver results, as long as they"re delivering.... this is a result driven business.

It is not a sinecure.

Why do we continue to sell ourselves short?? ... I mean we've basically installed a coach.

[Mr Magic]

So here's the scenario you're painting :-

Ross, we want you as our coach.
We've just sacked our last coach (and the 2 before him),
BUT we really want you.
How much do you want to be our Coach?
Whatever it is, we'll pay you.
And, we'll then give you 10% more so that we can have the terms of :-

1x1x1x1x1x1 and the ability to sack you at the end of each year.
BUT we really want you, and we want you to give up what you're doing to fully immerse yourself into us (but we can sack you after each year if we choose to)

Whoever his manger is would roll on the floor laughing at that.

This is not idealism - it's the real world.

[samoht]

We're selling ourselves short in our desperation and we risk paying for it later.

We've installed a coach here.
His last 4 years at Freo resulted in his sacking.

So we should have some bargaining power.

As long as there's some protective clauses along the way and it's not a straight 5 year contract, at least.

[Mr Magic]

We're selling ourselves short in our desperation and we risk paying for it later.

We've installed a coach here.
His last 4 years at Freo resulted in his sacking.

As long as there's some protective clauses and it's not a straight 5 year contract, at least.

Wishful thinking on your part.
You're trying to 'insure' the appointment because you're personally against it.

It's not going to happen (IMHO).
We chased him - the terms are going to favour him
If you were a prospective Coach being courted by us, would you seriously allow our Board to install a 'sacking clause' given our track record?

[mbogo]

Given we don't have a coach, sure I'll be happy enough to have Lyon back.
If we even entertained the idea for one second of having either Hird or Buckley, from teams that simply despised us when they were there, then I'd feel vommitous every time a game came on. There is no way guys like that could have their hearts in a Saints job. Lyon, on the other hand, has reason to want our gig, I believe he still loves the Saints.
That's important, commitment to the cause!

[samoht]

Smells of desperation, that's all.

What I'm against is our desperation (and the possible rash and ultimately costly installment of a coach).

We are a 8-3 side injury free, regardless of who coaches ... and we have great facilities.

We should stop selling ourselves short.

[asiu]

lol

get jiggy ya sour sacks

the poll says (still) 66 %

thats gotta be an omen

[Teflon]

It's funny isn't it that it's largely those who complain about the club too often 'bending over' who are.so keen to take another shafting from Ross Lyon. We're like a battered wife, blaming ourselves and begging our abuser to come home. I'm afraid those who think he'll make us relevant and respected are likely to be disappointed. This whole episode makes us look like punching bags, incapable of moving on.

So we haven’t been a battered wife for 11 years?????
Where the f k have you been????
It’s not Lyon that bends us over - it’s the woke leadership we’ve had for so long to the point now where we are not even in the conversation
Walsh is bang on - irrelevant
Unbelievably crap logic ..

[Teflon]

Let's hope it's a 1x1x1x1x1 year contract, with us having the right to exercise the options if we so wish at yearly intervals or give him the flick at anytime.
Even if we need to pay $100,000 per annum over the going rate to have these options in place.

Just curious.
Why would you think he (let alone any other coach) would sign such a lopsided contract?
We've chased him.
He didn't apply to us.
He has all the bargaining power because he's wanted by us.

Why is it lopsided?
He'd be getting $100,000 p.a. more than the going rate.

All future coaches should be subject to something similar, not just Lyon ... it's to protect us from ourselves.

After they've agreed to a million dollar contract, say ... we can turn around and say, "we'll agree to paying you $1.1 million (another $100k more), but you'll
have to give us options to break the contract, if things go pear-shaped. If you fail to deliver.

If the about-to-be-signed coach (whoever it is) think they'll improve us, why would they hesitate to sign such a contract?

Isn't that what is being promised here by Lyon - that he'll improve us - and what we'd be expecting from him.
Coaching is result-driven ... not promise driven. Goals should be defined.

I didn't realize you were speaking of fantasyland.
Back in the real world, IMHO, no prospective AFL coach would even consider a contract you're describing.
And you seem to be missing the point - he didn't approach us for the job.
We apparently chased him.
So, given that narrative, you expect us to be able to dictate terms and conditions that have never been in place in the AFL?
Seriously?
You expect him to take on a job for 10% more money but no long term guarantee?
Who in their right mind (in the AFL) would accept that?

This is a funny read
We chase Lyon (cause he’s head and shoulders best out there that now 4 other clubs including Cats have chased)
Abd during negotiations we are going to say..
“Now remember Ross….we are doing you a favour here…”
Just pure comedy

[The Fireman]

Teffers your support of Ross the boss is identical to Vortex’s support of Ratts ….btw where is Vortex

[CarlD]

Voted "no" to Ross in the poll but he's now back on board again so let's hope that he can work a miracle or two and get the Saints to that second flag (and preferably even more!).

[samoht]

I like that the contract is in the form of ... "if the coach does the right thing and produces/delivers, he stays" ... otherwise (I presume) we can let them go with minimal cost/pain.

This is what I was getting at before ... it wasn't wishful thinking on my part, at all.

(So, we didn't sell ourselves short - we weren't that desperate to install Lyon ... we have included protective clauses in the event that the coach doesn't deliver).