Question, end of season recruitment approach.

[The Craw]

It seems to me that the current game plan is structured to get the best out of the current personnel which at this stage a better than expect result.

If this continues and a finals birth is the outcome, at the end of the season does the recruitment team seek out players suited to and can enhance the current game plan or do they recruit players based on specific talent and formulate a new game plan.

[B.M]

Just select the best players!

Regardless of any factors- all you try to do is bring in the most talent you can through the draft

Trade to fill needs and increase depth

Take FAs to add quality

[Teflon]

It seems to me that the current game plan is structured to get the best out of the current personnel which at this stage a better than expect result.

If this continues and a finals birth is the outcome, at the end of the season does the recruitment team seek out players suited to and can enhance the current game plan or do they recruit players based on specific talent and formulate a new game plan.

Been a while Craw great to see you
Please collect your “welcome back to SS pack” at reception
I think the list isn’t done regardless of game plan
Get great players

[Ghost Like]

Select the best available talent. We all know what happened when we selected on a need or, more to the point, a perceived future need.

As B.M. said, trade to fill needs.

[Saint2]

Get the best available talent, don't look to fill positions

[Saintmike65]

The commonly held view is we need quality mids, ruck support & a key defender.
The names that keep surfacing are TDK, Dow & Bergman.
Players with potential currency to trade out:
Paton
Gresham
Highmore (?)
Billings (?)
Sharman (?)
Bytel (?)

Bergman would potentially release Nas to a wing or Sinclair to the midfield.
Tom De Koning would provide much needed ruck support or even could be trialled as a key defender with his size & athleticism!
Dow needs a change of environment where he feels like a required player.
We still need to hit the draft & pick the best kids available!

[Ghost Like]

The commonly held view is we need quality mids, ruck support & a key defender.
The names that keep surfacing are TDK, Dow & Bergman.
Players with potential currency to trade out:
Paton
Gresham
Highmore (?)
Billings (?)
Sharman (?)
Bytel (?)

Bergman would potentially release Nas to a wing or Sinclair to the midfield.
Tom De Koning would provide much needed ruck support or even could be trialled as a key defender with his size & athleticism!
Dow needs a change of environment where he feels like a required player.
We still need to hit the draft & pick the best kids available!

I suspect to get one of TDK or Bergman would mean the loss of our first round draft pick, that would be a NO from me.

Dow would be transplanting Bytel which is something both players need, that fresh environment. I can only imagine how incredibly frustrated both players must feel.

I am not sure we are really in a position to be trading out first & second round draft picks. I feel that is the domain of genuine Top 4 sides & a side like Richmond, desperate to hold on to their golden era. We are all seeing how that stalled and ultimately killed Hawthorn.

[Teflon]

The commonly held view is we need quality mids, ruck support & a key defender.
The names that keep surfacing are TDK, Dow & Bergman.
Players with potential currency to trade out:
Paton
Gresham
Highmore (?)
Billings (?)
Sharman (?)
Bytel (?)

Bergman would potentially release Nas to a wing or Sinclair to the midfield.
Tom De Koning would provide much needed ruck support or even could be trialled as a key defender with his size & athleticism!
Dow needs a change of environment where he feels like a required player.
We still need to hit the draft & pick the best kids available!

I suspect to get one of TDK or Bergman would mean the loss of our first round draft pick, that would be a NO from me.

Dow would be transplanting Bytel which is something both players need, that fresh environment. I can only imagine how incredibly frustrated both players must feel.

I am not sure we are really in a position to be trading out first & second round draft picks. I feel that is the domain of genuine Top 4 sides & a side like Richmond, desperate to hold on to their golden era. We are all seeing how that stalled and ultimately killed Hawthorn.

I agree
Must not trade our 1st 2nd round picks
We’ve seen what talented top kids coming through the draft bring to the side already - it’s less hit n miss than ut was years ago
Dow has run at 30% disposal efficiency in ganes ….yes can accumulate…can’t hit side of the barn…not sure he’s the “cheap addition” we need
Likewise DeKoning - gonna cost lots $ and they’ll want top end picks…,other options…McLean at Swans???
I’m all fir being smart, finding quality fringe on other lists (I wanted Lipinski at pick 43 for Pies …a steal!) but alas
Our list is NOT truly top 4
We’ve overachieved, had a bounce with a good new coach and draw …but let’s not get sucked in
Must continue to build from draft BEFORE Tassie come

[Sanctorum]

I took particular note of Miles Bergman in last night's game against Geelong, he played poorly, just 6 disposals and could just not get involved at any stage.

Stick with drafting young blokes in the end of year draft and trade periods.

There are quite a few recent recruits playing for Sandringham who have the potential to make the grade - Hotton, Heath, Adams, Keeler, Van Es, Peris - plus the likes of injured players Nick Coffield, Jack Hayes and Daniel McKenzie.

Tom De Koning certainly would be a good acquisition, but only if "the price is right" which is unlikely as he's being chased by a number of clubs.

Paddy Dow will be 24 this year and it's on the cards that SOS will be looking at him if he wants to come to Moorabbin, if he takes him that's fine with me, at the very least it will add depth to experienced midfield stocks.

[Ghost Like]

I took particular note of Miles Bergman in last night's game against Geelong, he played poorly, just 6 disposals and could just not get involved at any stage.

To be fair on him Sancto, Port left out Jonas and gave Bergman the job on Cameron and Bergman held him by running with him up the field and back, not allowing Caneron to get involved. When Rohan lit up McKenzie (I think), Bergman was put on him. No more Rohan. Bergman then went back to Cameron.

Bergman's two unpressured howlers were shocking but I suspect Bergman's game got a big tick from the coach.

Bergman showed versatility and discipline last night. I am not sure he should be a priority for us, especially if he costs a FRDP.

[Scollop]

I took particular note of Miles Bergman in last night's game against Geelong, he played poorly, just 6 disposals and could just not get involved at any stage.

Stick with drafting young blokes in the end of year draft and trade periods.

Few things to note. Bergman was apparently lined up on Jeremy Cameron who only kicked 1 goal and didn’t impact much. Geelong mids were poor last night so there wasn’t much opportunity for Geelong forwards.

Geelong had very low numbers for inside 50’s so the ball didn’t go down there too often and not a lot to do for Bergman except stand toe to toe with Jezza.

Having said that, Bergman wasn’t outstanding as a defender and there’s nothing special I saw from him in last nights game

Edit…just saw the post above mine from GL. I didn’t realise that Bergman also lined up on Rohan. Rohan tends to flash in and out of games, but with last night I think the injury to Danger affected their midfield and they were beaten convincingly by Port. Not many opportunities to score when you only get 43 inside 50’s for the whole game

[saynta]

The commonly held view is we need quality mids, ruck support & a key defender.
The names that keep surfacing are TDK, Dow & Bergman.
Players with potential currency to trade out:
Paton
Gresham
Highmore (?)
Billings (?)
Sharman (?)
Bytel (?)

Bergman would potentially release Nas to a wing or Sinclair to the midfield.
Tom De Koning would provide much needed ruck support or even could be trialled as a key defender with his size & athleticism!
Dow needs a change of environment where he feels like a required player.
We still need to hit the draft & pick the best kids available!

i watched Bergman in the early part of the game. He is a dreadful kick. Absolutely dreadful.

[Yorkeys]

Go to the draft.
Every draft has the gold you want. Just do the due diligence and have a shopping list of priorities. Hard work, but pays off.
No need to go to the pawn shop for fake nuggets already used and found to have limited value, or pay inflated premiums (including opportunity cost) for mercenaries.
Now, if a free agent wants in, that's a bit different, like welcoming a talented prodigal child.

[SAINT-LEE]

Draft Order 2023
R1: 14
R2: 33
R3: 52
R4: NIL
R5: 88

Trade Power:
~ Mid - Late 2nd Round player value *Gresham


Some players fit in across different roles.
So just put them in most played or current



***NEEDS****

FORWARD
FF~ assess...do we have a replacement in making for Membrey? Will he ever get back? Caminiti ready to rise consistently or a bit of pan flash? Or?

Membrey: Likely: Rumoured Retirement...Retain ( 24 but no more)
King: Likely: Retain, A grade potential
Caminiti: Likely: Retain, been decent
Gresham: Likely: Trade Players choice
Sharman: Likely: Retain 50/50
Keeler: Likely: Retain: untested
Hayes:Likely: Retain: has value if healthy
Allison: Likely: Retain: untested
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Need: 1x A Grade 2nd tall
How: Trade is most likely route, upcoming draft is lean
Likely: no trade in or position fills
Trade out : Gresham for draft pick
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Medium F:
Stocker: Likely: Retain: been decent
Butler: Likely: Retain: been decent
Peris: Likely: Retain: untested
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HF~ seems settled
Higgins: Likely: Retain: been good
Owen: Likely: Retain: A grade
Phillipou: Likely: Retain: Good potential
McClennan: Likely: Retain: untested
Paton: Likely: Retain: 50/50 been ok

Note: also several B players on team capable of slotting in for injury relief.
Need: none
How: none
Likely: none

MIDFIELD
C ~ We need a fast mid & we need a bull, a dirty down & under. We have good, aging servants ticking over possessions but lacking A grades

Bytel: Likely: Retain: 50/50 Lifts in 24 or goes
Crouch: Likely: Retain: Solid performer
Ross: Likely: Retain: Club servant
McKenzie: Likely: Release 50/50
Clark: Likely: Retain: If healthy, potential to be solid performer ( not A grade)
Billings: Likely: tough to say...I feel he will get traded or released, good value when healthy.
Wood: Likely: Retain: best year yet...can he back it up?
Byrnes: Likely: Retain: Improved
Jones: Likely: Retain: I dont see high return
Connolly: Likely: Retain 50/50 (if we do 24 is his last chance)
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Need: 1 x A Grade Inside Mid
How: Trade, FA
Likely: Release 2, Draft movement
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Midfielder Forward~
Windhager: Likely: Retain: Great upside
Hill: Likely: Retain: Time is ticking, but best year yet
Olli Hotton: Likely: Retain: Potential tbd
Steele: Likely: Retain: A grade value
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Need: none
Likely: No trade, release movement
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Follower / Ruck ~
We need another option, a true ruck

Marshall: Likely: Retain: A grade potential
Heath: Likely: Retain: untested
Campbell: Likely: Release not needed if players come up
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Need: 1 x A Grade Ruck
How: Trade, FA or draft
Likely: Release 1, Trade in

DEFENSE

B ~ Assess 2nd & 3rd Tall Defender positions. Battle appears settled & performs moderate to good. Wilkie performs good to great (best of the 3)
Howard performs average to poor.

Howard: Likely: Retain, good value
Battle: Likely: Retain Servicable
Wilkie: Likely: Release
Van Es: Likely: Retain: untested
Adams: Likely: Retain: untested
Highmore: Likely: Retain: 50/50 if healthy;
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Need: 1 x A Grade Tall Defender
How: Trade, FA or draft
Likely: Release movement
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HB ~ feels solid with some questions over Websters ability to remain healthy.
We seem to have players in waiting if needed.

Webster: Likely: Retain 50/50
Sinclair:Likely: Retain: A grade
Coffield: Likely: Retain; not sure he ever attains our dream but healthy he is valued
Nasiah WM: Likely: Retain: A grade

I guess?

[older saint]

Remember Gresham free agent so depending on what say a carlton pay will determine compensation . This may even be late first rounder if silly enough, or end up being a trade deal with TDK and some form of second round swap perhaps.
Ideally at this stage like to keep Gresham as different to our other mids.
Move on older dead wood and keep building around the core we have

[B.M]

What is more valuable?

Pick 30-36 or Gresham

Pick 37-54 or Billings

Pick 19-35 or Clarke

Nothing (a list spot) or Jones

Nothing (a list spot) or Bytel


Our first pick 8-12 or DeKonning

Our first pick 8-12 or Bergman

[B.M]

Yorkeys

How have you seen the recruiting of Wood?

He was an injury prone serial underachiever at North and a whipping boy

Cost nothing
Imo - after a solid 2022 he’d be in the AA squad as a wingman in 2023

[Life Long Saint]

Membrey: Likely: Rumoured Retirement...Retain ( 24 but no more)

Rumoured by whom?

[Life Long Saint]

***NEEDS****

Here is the list of players out of contract at the end of the season.
Daniel McKenzie (Restricted Free Agent)
Hunter Clark (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Bytel (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Higgins (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Peris (Non-Free Agent)
Jade Gresham (Restricted Free Agent)
Jimmy Webster (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Leo Connolly (Non-Free Agent)
Liam Stocker (Non-Free Agent)
Mason Wood (Non-Free Agent)
Nicholas Coffield (Non-Free Agent)
Oscar Adams (Non-Free Agent)
Ryan Byrnes (Non-Free Agent)
Sebastian Ross (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Tom Campbell (Non-Free Agent)
Tom Highmore (Non-Free Agent)
Zak Jones (Non-Free Agent)

Your assessement about retention should focus on those.

Unless a trade option presents for any other player not on that list, you can safely assume that we're keeping them.
We just paid out Brett Ratten for sacking him early, it'd be hard to justify paying out players 12 months later.

[nobhead]

***NEEDS****

Here is the list of players out of contract at the end of the season.
Daniel McKenzie (Restricted Free Agent)
Hunter Clark (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Bytel (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Higgins (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Peris (Non-Free Agent)
Jade Gresham (Restricted Free Agent)
Jimmy Webster (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Leo Connolly (Non-Free Agent)
Liam Stocker (Non-Free Agent)
Mason Wood (Non-Free Agent)
Nicholas Coffield (Non-Free Agent)
Oscar Adams (Non-Free Agent)
Ryan Byrnes (Non-Free Agent)
Sebastian Ross (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Tom Campbell (Non-Free Agent)
Tom Highmore (Non-Free Agent)
Zak Jones (Non-Free Agent)

Your assessement about retention should focus on those.

Unless a trade option presents for any other player not on that list, you can safely assume that we're keeping them.
We just paid out Brett Ratten for sacking him early, it'd be hard to justify paying out players 12 months later.

1st pick skillfull goal kicking midfielders
2nd pick "as above"
Rinse and repeat with all of our other picks
Pretty simple really

[nobhead]

***NEEDS****

Here is the list of players out of contract at the end of the season.
Daniel McKenzie (Restricted Free Agent)
Hunter Clark (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Bytel (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Higgins (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Peris (Non-Free Agent)
Jade Gresham (Restricted Free Agent)
Jimmy Webster (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Leo Connolly (Non-Free Agent)
Liam Stocker (Non-Free Agent)
Mason Wood (Non-Free Agent)
Nicholas Coffield (Non-Free Agent)
Oscar Adams (Non-Free Agent)
Ryan Byrnes (Non-Free Agent)
Sebastian Ross (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Tom Campbell (Non-Free Agent)
Tom Highmore (Non-Free Agent)
Zak Jones (Non-Free Agent)

Your assessement about retention should focus on those.

Unless a trade option presents for any other player not on that list, you can safely assume that we're keeping them.
We just paid out Brett Ratten for sacking him early, it'd be hard to justify paying out players 12 months later.

1st pick skillfull goal kicking midfielders
2nd pick "as above"
Rinse and repeat with all of our other picks
Pretty simple really

[skeptic]

***NEEDS****

Here is the list of players out of contract at the end of the season.
Daniel McKenzie (Restricted Free Agent)
Hunter Clark (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Bytel (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Higgins (Non-Free Agent)
Jack Peris (Non-Free Agent)
Jade Gresham (Restricted Free Agent)
Jimmy Webster (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Leo Connolly (Non-Free Agent)
Liam Stocker (Non-Free Agent)
Mason Wood (Non-Free Agent)
Nicholas Coffield (Non-Free Agent)
Oscar Adams (Non-Free Agent)
Ryan Byrnes (Non-Free Agent)
Sebastian Ross (Unrestricted Free Agent)
Tom Campbell (Non-Free Agent)
Tom Highmore (Non-Free Agent)
Zak Jones (Non-Free Agent)

Your assessement about retention should focus on those.

Unless a trade option presents for any other player not on that list, you can safely assume that we're keeping them.
We just paid out Brett Ratten for sacking him early, it'd be hard to justify paying out players 12 months later.

Well… you’d think that:

Delist
Connolly
Campbell
Highmore
(Can’t get a game now)

Moved on… one of:
McKenzie
Jones
(Can’t get on the park)

Rumour mill
Gresh (walking out)
Webster (considering retiring)
Billings (requesting a trade)

That’s 7 - pbly enough for one off season

[Life Long Saint]

Well… you’d think that:

Delist
Connolly
Campbell
Highmore
(Can’t get a game now)

Moved on… one of:
McKenzie
Jones
(Can’t get on the park)

Rumour mill
Gresh (walking out)
Webster (considering retiring)
Billings (requesting a trade)

That’s 7 - pbly enough for one off season

Not sure about two of the delistings.
Campbell is still required for depth as we have no senior ruckman should Marshall go down.
Highmore is consistently in the best in the twos...Just can't get a game ahead of Battle, Wilke, and Howard.

Why would you move McKenzie on? He was great last season and only injury is preventing him from getting back to that. Not sure injury for a season is a reason for delisting.
Jones is a maybe...I'd be inclined to give him one more pre-season.

Gresh...Lethlean said today that he is more likely to stay. I hope he will.
Where have you heard that Webster is considering retiring? The same place you heard that Membrey is?
Is Billings actually requesting a trade? He is still contracted.

Or is all your post just pure speculation?

[skeptic]

Well… you’d think that:

Delist
Connolly
Campbell
Highmore
(Can’t get a game now)

Moved on… one of:
McKenzie
Jones
(Can’t get on the park)

Rumour mill
Gresh (walking out)
Webster (considering retiring)
Billings (requesting a trade)

That’s 7 - pbly enough for one off season

Not sure about two of the delistings.
Campbell is still required for depth as we have no senior ruckman should Marshall go down.
Highmore is consistently in the best in the twos...Just can't get a game ahead of Battle, Wilke, and Howard.

Why would you move McKenzie on? He was great last season and only injury is preventing him from getting back to that. Not sure injury for a season is a reason for delisting.
Jones is a maybe...I'd be inclined to give him one more pre-season.

Gresh...Lethlean said today that he is more likely to stay. I hope he will.
Where have you heard that Webster is considering retiring? The same place you heard that Membrey is?
Is Billings actually requesting a trade? He is still contracted.

Or is all your post just pure speculation?

All stuff that’s been posted here… so yes pure speculation.

On Dmac… for me, 2 of Billings, Dmac and Jones need to go. You can’t have 3 players on the list that are always injured. Dmac is the one I’d keep for now.

[The Craw]

So, recruit the best available talent, probably 2 players best case scenario and slot them into a game plan that may not suit there talents or target specific talent that suits a game plan that is proving to be successful ?

Or identify what the spine will be, which on face value we have the forward half and centre identified in King , Owens, Marshal, NWM and Sinclair. Partial back half in Wilkie and Battle and build around that with a revised game plan.