David King say…

[Borat]

Jagshemash! Man who look like Flattop in Dick Tracy movie film say we need to make tough call for chance of great success. He suggest Rowan Marshall trade at end of season in return for more strapping young lad prospect to be champion footyball player of future.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/06/26/ ... tid=Zxz2cZ

[Yorkeys]

David King is shorter and far plumper than Nick Daicos. See on ground interview. David loves Nick. Many commentators do.
David has an unhealthy pallor, worse than normal Melbournian.
Why is anything he says given credibility. Because he knows Adam Simpson well?
It would be a joke if the guy had a sense of humour.

[Otiman]

Anyone is up for trade, for the right price.

Would take a first rounder or two.

But only if we don't pay overs for TDK.

[B.M]

Don’t trade good players to get better

It’s a model that doesn’t work - we’ve tried it before!

How’s this for a plan

Get rid of players not up to it, add first and second round draft picks - like Phillipou and NWM

[Sebastian Tombs]

David King seems to have never moved on from the 97 Prelim final

[The_Dud]

The idea has merit

[StPeter]

Absolute rubbish.

Marshall is amongst our top 3 players and arguably our most important.

I would like to see Campbell tried in the team and Marshall given more time up forward.

Campbell may not be in the Ryder class but he is a better tap ruckman than Marshall.

[B.M]

Why would you move Marshall from a position where he excels

To a position he is basically hopeless

That 3 year stint with Ryder was like the Gawn/Grundy situation now and was bad list management

Ryder was a good ruckman, and a good player - that we didn’t need

[Otiman]

Ryder was a good ruckman, and a good player - that we didn’t need

The Bulldogs in 2020 thought otherwise (the 'we didn't need' bit).

[Teflon]

Don’t trade good players to get better

It’s a model that doesn’t work - we’ve tried it before!

How’s this for a plan

Get rid of players not up to it, add first and second round draft picks - like Phillipou and NWM

That sounds wonderful
Keep all your good players
Trade our rubbish
In return other AFL clubs will gift you 1st and 2nd round DPs???
Why has NO ONE thought of this before????

[B.M]

Why do we need other clubs draft picks?

Just need to nail your own

We will have 5 picks inside 50

Make room by getting rid of duds

[Teflon]

The idea has merit

It’s all predicated on:
1. When you think you’ll challenge and if that’s not for another 2 years …
2. Trading quality you think you can replace/cover from a certain position in that timeframe..

The idea of stockpiling additional top picks on our current ones has appeal ….question is….IF we did this and loaded up on A+ midfield talent plus maybe another gun tall defender?? Could we get by with a solid ruckman only after trading Marshall??…OR do you get the gun kid mids/tall defender in then go FA for a mature ruck from elsewhere to give you 2-3 years while your kids peak hoping Heath still comes on???

I’m not sure but it certainly feels like it’s sliding doors time for our club - get this wrong and we stay mid range side for a lot longer…be bold …get it right …in 2 years we are a legitimate, sustainable option for top 4 (sustainable because our top draft talent will be on the up with years left..)

[Teflon]

Why do we need other clubs draft picks?

Just need to nail your own

We will have 5 picks inside 50

Make room by getting rid of duds

As he states the aim isn’t to just draft in line with other clubs who will also draft but to ramp up how much talent you can bring in now to give you an advantage
You won’t do that 1 first round each year
We got lucky with Owens etc
I’m not sure we will every year

[Otiman]

If we were offered Pick 9 & Pick 25 for Marshall.

Would you take it?

I would.

Marshall has 3-4 years left in him. You'd get 1 if not 2 200 gamers out of it.

[Teflon]

If we were offered Pick 9 & Pick 25 for Marshall.

Would you take it?

I would.

Marshall has 3-4 years left in him. You'd get 1 if not 2 200 gamers out of it.

And THAT is the exact point
Plus could we cover what we get from Marshall with a mature ruck from elsewhere?
I’m not sure paying TDK top $ and draft pick gives the side enough of a boost
A top 10 pick in the quality of Pou plus another at 25…has appeal
Fascinating time …risky …but right now we know incremental improvement is probably not gonna get it done
You also need to ensure you give the 23-26yr bracket a decent chance to challenge so you the longer you wait..

[Otiman]

I’m not sure but it certainly feels like it’s sliding doors time for our club - get this wrong and we stay mid range side for a lot longer…be bold …get it right …in 2 years we are a legitimate, sustainable option for top 4 (sustainable because our top draft talent will be on the up with years left..)

You are spot on with this one.

Need to back our current side in, or go hard and trade out some talent for a short term rebuild.

There's no inbetween, unless we want to finish 6th to 12th for the next 10 years.

Unfortunately I don't have the read on the crystal ball for this one.

What I can tell you all is that you don't want to lose the winning culture. So tanking for the sake of picks aint on. You do what you need to do with the list, but try to win every game.

[realdeal]

He's 28 this year, as much as id hate to lose him, if a club offered three 1st rd picks then you'd have to take it.

Its not the same as trading 21yo McEvoy.. and it would give us good draft picks before the Tassy team starts hoarding them all.


Allowing Gresh to leave is a given, but really, id happily hold on to Ro unless its an offer to good to refuse.

[The_Dud]

Is he a very good player, yep. A lot of teams would love him as icing on the cake.

Is he a good number 1 ruckman?

He’s not great at ruck contested, not great resting forward, not dominant in the air around the ground.

He needs to be 10cm taller or shorter, he’s stuck in no man’s land for me. He’s like an oversized mid.

We need a dominant ruckman to take the next step.

[nostalgicsaint]

If we were offered Pick 9 & Pick 25 for Marshall.

Would you take it?

I would.

Marshall has 3-4 years left in him. You'd get 1 if not 2 200 gamers out of it.

This would be very tempting. Would probably want some late round pick upgrades as well.

Particularly as this draft is meant to be a very good one.

The idea has a lot of merit- Particularly if we did pick up TDK.

Heath will be raw but capable next year.

[Teflon]

Is he a very good player, yep. A lot of teams would love him as icing on the cake.

Is he a good number 1 ruckman?

He’s not great at ruck contested, not great resting forward, not dominant in the air around the ground.

He needs to be 10cm taller or shorter, he’s stuck in no man’s land for me. He’s like an oversized mid.

We need a dominant ruckman to take the next step.

Yeah it’s interesting gee he’s a good utility
But ruck?
Some on BF think his tap work would improve drastically if he had better mids reading him…
I don’t agree
I watched the same set of mids look superb while Ryder was feeding them…even tap out backwards to a roving Gresham made him look superb…
Marshall doesn’t do that
I would still not give top pick for TDK - has proven very little ruck wise imo
Some also suggesting this is why we are crazy not offering Parish a huge deal
He’s no 1 clearance mid in the comp gets his own ball but can spread as well and only costs $$ ….5x$1m ?? Gotta go big to offset Cats etc
Then take picks to draft …. top up more talent …
We had money for DeGoey
Next year Hill Howard’s etc out if contract so further savings available

[SaintPav]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

[Teflon]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

[Borat]

David King seems to have never moved on from the 97 Prelim final

Yes, is true. He still have how you say sore anus from that year

[Banger9798]

Insane idea

[SaintPav]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

Reported for magical thinking and continuing to commit the fallacy of the messiah hire, ad nauseam!