Dow officially nominates Saints

[Life Long Saint]

The thing about Dow is with only 53% game time compared to over 80% game time for Gresham, he still averaged 100 more metres gained.

It's easier to gain metres when you play behind the centre.
I still don't understand the relevance of this stat unless you compare like for like.

I wonder what Plugger's metres gained would have been!

[samoht]

Gresham's a midfield forward and Dow is a midfielder.

Butler and Higgins are the stay at home small forwards.
It wouldn't have been fair to compare them to either Gresh or Dow.

The way Gresham dashes and darts around, and given his extra game time, I would have expected Gresham to have at least double Dow's metres gained.

Not so.

[SaintPav]

Yeah, his little footsteps are misleading.

[Vortex]

Yeah, his little footsteps are misleading.

but his crab-like kicking action is unmistakable...not to mention those eyebrows.

[SaintPav]

Yeah, his little footsteps are misleading.

but his crab-like kicking action is unmistakable...not to mention those eyebrows.

I’ll miss his Errol Flyn…


Moustache

[Zed]

So what I’m reading is Dow is a centre clearance machine that has a tank and can run, but with questionable kicking,
Sounds like a cross between Luke Dunstan and Seb Ross.

With the speed and dare of the modern game, precise kicking skills and leg speed have never been more important. Look at Collingwood in the GF, those guys had great field kicking skills which allowed them to take the game on through the corridor at speed.

[SAINT-LEE]

The thing about Dow is with only 53% game time compared to over 80% game time for Gresham, he still averaged 100 more metres gained.

It's easier to gain metres when you play behind the centre.
I still don't understand the relevance of this stat unless you compare like for like.

I wonder what Plugger's metres gained would have been!

Plugga didnt move...he willed the Sherrin into his mitts.

[shanegrambeau]

Highlights VFL


A Carlton fan's circumspect view..
The guy has never averaged over 14.3 disposals in 4 years and is currently playing 2's. Lipinski had 1 year under his best and dominated VFL consistently, we didn't get a poor return for him at all he was an out of contract depth player which is what Dow is. He doesn't have a lot of suitors blokes saying he will be handy for my team on BigFooty aren't list managers. Your window opening is irrelevant for him as he won't get close to the side. He is a mediocre 3rd to 4th round pick at best.

and this..
Dow is a nice fella but the club DGAF where he ends up, they don’t rate him and he couldn’t even get a game when Hewett, Kennedy and Walsh missed in the final round.

He isn’t very good and after 5 years has shown nothing beyond that one great half against Freo at which point he predictably blew up and was unsighted.

Had 21 touches against Collingwood this year but you’d hardly know he was out there.

If North give us a 3rd rounder we’ve swindled them big time.

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It sounds like Bytel TBH

[SaintPav]

[SAINT-LEE]

Dow is average and we love that!

[Vortex]

Yeah, his little footsteps are misleading.

but his crab-like kicking action is unmistakable...not to mention those eyebrows.

I’ll miss his Errol Flyn…


Moustache

I would give everything just to be like him.

[samoht]

Hopefully the Dow Jones index reaches new heights next year.

[damienc]

Highlights VFL


A Carlton fan's circumspect view..
The guy has never averaged over 14.3 disposals in 4 years and is currently playing 2's. Lipinski had 1 year under his best and dominated VFL consistently, we didn't get a poor return for him at all he was an out of contract depth player which is what Dow is. He doesn't have a lot of suitors blokes saying he will be handy for my team on BigFooty aren't list managers. Your window opening is irrelevant for him as he won't get close to the side. He is a mediocre 3rd to 4th round pick at best.

and this..
Dow is a nice fella but the club DGAF where he ends up, they don’t rate him and he couldn’t even get a game when Hewett, Kennedy and Walsh missed in the final round.

He isn’t very good and after 5 years has shown nothing beyond that one great half against Freo at which point he predictably blew up and was unsighted.

Had 21 touches against Collingwood this year but you’d hardly know he was out there.

If North give us a 3rd rounder we’ve swindled them big time.

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It sounds like Bytel TBH

Oh come on. I would take everything Blues fans say with a grain of salt. He’s leaving. They are never going to say nice things. Dow had a tremendous back half of season 2023. He is the kind of player we need. An inside mid who’s quick with good disposal by hand and feet. Look at his highlights reel. Carlton did not get the best out of him. We can. And by the way nothing like Bytel.

[damienc]

Dow is average and we love that!

No. He isn’t.

[damienc]

We’ll see won’t we. I hope I’m right and you’re wrong.

[CQ SAINT]

Dow is actually a midfielder, Gresham is not, neither is Billings.

[SAINT-LEE]

Dow is average and we love that!

No. He isn’t.

At present your opinion & my opinion dont matter.

All we have are facts.

How many games played, statistics of importance ( not the fluffy ones), impact on games, etc.

He's not a chump but he has played very average, these are the facts.

Could he improve? Maybe. If we do indeed see him in our colours I hope he does lift & impact games.

[SaintPav]

We’ll see won’t we. I hope I’m right and you’re wrong.

Nice ego trip but was it a duck or a rabbit?



Sorry about the collateral damage; the sour grapes was directed at the Carlton BF poster…

Stuff happens.

[shanegrambeau]

Highlights VFL


A Carlton fan's circumspect view..
The guy has never averaged over 14.3 disposals in 4 years and is currently playing 2's. Lipinski had 1 year under his best and dominated VFL consistently, we didn't get a poor return for him at all he was an out of contract depth player which is what Dow is. He doesn't have a lot of suitors blokes saying he will be handy for my team on BigFooty aren't list managers. Your window opening is irrelevant for him as he won't get close to the side. He is a mediocre 3rd to 4th round pick at best.

and this..
Dow is a nice fella but the club DGAF where he ends up, they don’t rate him and he couldn’t even get a game when Hewett, Kennedy and Walsh missed in the final round.

He isn’t very good and after 5 years has shown nothing beyond that one great half against Freo at which point he predictably blew up and was unsighted.

Had 21 touches against Collingwood this year but you’d hardly know he was out there.

If North give us a 3rd rounder we’ve swindled them big time.

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It sounds like Bytel TBH

Oh come on. I would take everything Blues fans say with a grain of salt. He’s leaving. They are never going to say nice things. Dow had a tremendous back half of season 2023. He is the kind of player we need. An inside mid who’s quick with good disposal by hand and feet. Look at his highlights reel. Carlton did not get the best out of him. We can. And by the way nothing like Bytel.

1) They didn't pick him when they had Hewett, Kennedy and Walsh out. (hence the Bytel comment)
2) These lovely Carlton supporters were discussing him in a thread prior to any decisions by parties were made public. They were speculating. Some people said some nice stuff too, but the impression I got overall, was that he just wasn't good enough.
3) We have had very few successful mids that have come to St Kilda with this sort of career arc/profile although we have had a few over the decades. And quite a few from Carlton. Maybe Spiro Kourkamelis is a better comparison?
4) I am just using the optics of the situation as I see it. I have no idea if he is good enough but out mid field is so unremarkable that he will surely have a chance to shine. So instead of asking, 'Is he a talent waitiing for his moment, or has he had his moment?..we should ask, 'Shoulld we accept a slightly better used car than the one we have now'? And the answer is yes! Now if he turns into a Tom MItchell at Collingwood! Fantastic acquisition.
5) The highlights reel shows some nice shimmy and scoop. I believe his disposal isn't always on par with the best, but neither is Zac Jones's or Ronnie Byrnes's.

[skeptic]

What’s hard to see from that highlight package is his decision making. He’s clearly not a thread the eye of the needle type of kick by any means but when kicking forward he more or less kicked to the forward at the contest. The challenge is that a few of the kicks where grab out of the pack and throw it forwad…
What you’d like to see is what he looks like kickinggto a player on the lead.

Looks decent by hand

[Scollop]

Hopefully the Dow Jones index reaches new heights next year.

Haha. I like it

I don't think Zak and Paddy qualify for the Dow Jones 30 (they're the heavyweight Blue Chips). Maybe the SP500 or at least the Russell 2000.

Come to think of it...footy lists are similar to Share Indices in that they change 'components'. Footy clubs obviously change a lot more 'components' each year...and they're subjectively picked.

It's not science. Underperformers get turfed.

The DJIA covers 30 large-cap companies, which are subjectively picked by the editors of The Wall Street Journal.

Over the years, companies in the index have been changed to ensure the index stays current in its measure of the U.S. economy. In fact, none of the initial companies included in the average remain.

https://www.investopedia.com/investing/ ... e%20remain.

In Australia there's change to the components of the ASX 300 and All Ordinaries Index every 6 months. The charts on performance are a little artificial imo.

The components of the ASX20, ASX50 and ASX100 also change. It's in the industry's interest to promote the best performers and discard the laggards. The graph looks better that way

[DJ Higgins]

If cheap then ok but anything above round three we have overpaid. He is not the player we need and we have enough mids who can go in and get the ball and then kick it to the wrong person or place. Not saying he doesn’t have skills he just doesn’t seem to bring anything new to our list, just an upgrade to some of our players.

IMHO I think Byrnes gets a bit of unnecessary hatred on here. Not saying he is amazing but he is still young and improving and I am looking forward to the impact a rtb pre season will have on him

[damienc]

If cheap then ok but anything above round three we have overpaid. He is not the player we need and we have enough mids who can go in and get the ball and then kick it to the wrong person or place. Not saying he doesn’t have skills he just doesn’t seem to bring anything new to our list, just an upgrade to some of our players.

IMHO I think Byrnes gets a bit of unnecessary hatred on here. Not saying he is amazing but he is still young and improving and I am looking forward to the impact a rtb pre season will have on him

Not a player we need? You are joking of course. He's exactly the player we need and don't have. By don't have, I mean someone to burst from stoppages with the ball at speed to hand it over to an outside mid. Jack Steele was the closest but he doesn't have the leg speed of Paddy Dow.

I think Dow will relish the new opportunity he's being presented with at St Kilda. I certainly hope so.

[B.M]

I think Dow will go ok!

[SaintPav]

Hopefully the Dow Jones index reaches new heights next year.

Haha. I like it

I don't think Zak and Paddy qualify for the Dow Jones 30 (they're the heavyweight Blue Chips). Maybe the SP500 or at least the Russell 2000.

Come to think of it...footy lists are similar to Share Indices in that they change 'components'. Footy clubs obviously change a lot more 'components' each year...and they're subjectively picked.

It's not science. Underperformers get turfed.

The DJIA covers 30 large-cap companies, which are subjectively picked by the editors of The Wall Street Journal.

Over the years, companies in the index have been changed to ensure the index stays current in its measure of the U.S. economy. In fact, none of the initial companies included in the average remain.

https://www.investopedia.com/investing/ ... e%20remain.

In Australia there's change to the components of the ASX 300 and All Ordinaries Index every 6 months. The charts on performance are a little artificial imo.

The components of the ASX20, ASX50 and ASX100 also change. It's in the industry's interest to promote the best performers and discard the laggards. The graph looks better that way

The Dow is price weighted. It is not weighted by market capitalisation. I ignore it.