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Re: ASHES 21/22

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The_Dud wrote: Thu 30 Dec 2021 1:37am
shanegrambeau wrote: Wed 29 Dec 2021 4:13pm Will Hazelwood get back in at Boland's expense?
Starc dropped? Impossible to imagine.
Cummins
Hazelwood
Starc
Boland
Llyon
Green
and the wrist spinner they want to try = 7 bowlers!
Gtreen will be dropped?

How can they drop Boland?
Hazelwood may carry the drinks! Gee...
If all fit, Cummins, Starc and Hazelwood will be the 3 seamers for the Sydney Test. At 32, I wouldn’t be surprised if we never see Boland play another Test again, that’s just how it goes.
I think they might give Starc a rest. Although the variation a left armer provides adds more weight to any decision to rest him.
If Hazlewood is fit he's a lock.

If they rest Starc :

Warner
Harris
Labuschagne
Smith (due for a score)
Head
Green (no way they will drop him and nuts if they even consider it, he is the future)
Carey (has fitted in seamlessly)
Cummins
Hazlewood
Lyon
Swepson / Boland

Starc instead of Boland if they play three seamers and don't rest Starc.
They might though go with two spinners. Having Green as third seamer makes that choice easier.

Agree that it wouldn't surprise if that's Boland's one and only test.


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Re: ASHES 21/22

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The_Dud wrote: Thu 30 Dec 2021 1:37am
shanegrambeau wrote: Wed 29 Dec 2021 4:13pm Will Hazelwood get back in at Boland's expense?
Starc dropped? Impossible to imagine.
Cummins
Hazelwood
Starc
Boland
Llyon
Green
and the wrist spinner they want to try = 7 bowlers!
Gtreen will be dropped?

How can they drop Boland?
Hazelwood may carry the drinks! Gee...
If all fit, Cummins, Starc and Hazelwood will be the 3 seamers for the Sydney Test. At 32, I wouldn’t be surprised if we never see Boland play another Test again, that’s just how it goes.
I think we will see Boland again, he will certainly tour with the squad and make the next Ashes tour. If Siddle made the last tour, Boland's a shoe in.

He's unlucky that Cummings, Hazlewood & Starc are all fit & firing. Richardson may even be in the #4 position. He's edged out Neser for #5 paceman.


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Re: ASHES 21/22

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The England coach has been forced into quarantine due to being a family member of someone with Covid. As along as he hasn't has any contact with the English players in the last few days, all will be sweet and the test will go ahead.


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perfectionist wrote: Thu 30 Dec 2021 10:03am The England coach has been forced into quarantine due to being a family member of someone with Covid. As along as he hasn't has any contact with the English players in the last few days, all will be sweet and the test will go ahead.
I hope he can continue to coach them because I'm enjoying the results he's getting.


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We'll only pick Hazlewood if he's 100% right...doubt Starc will be rested, as he's in career best form and it's not like he's done a massive amount of bowling!
Maybe a bowling lineup of Starc, Cummins, Boland, Green, and Lyon, same as the Boxing day test?
What a luxury to have such an arsenal of quicks...Riley Meridith from Tassie is also a great prospect!


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With ‘the thing’ going off in incredible numbers now (‘000s of cases a day in Vic alone), you wonder whether they’ll even finish the series.

For sheer entertainment it might be (apologies for insensitivity) worth a laugh. Perhaps England will be dismissed for 10 all out. (As in runs)


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Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 30 Dec 2021 10:55am We'll only pick Hazlewood if he's 100% right...doubt Starc will be rested, as he's in career best form and it's not like he's done a massive amount of bowling!
Maybe a bowling lineup of Starc, Cummins, Boland, Green, and Lyon, same as the Boxing day test?
What a luxury to have such an arsenal of quicks...Riley Meridith from Tassie is also a great prospect!
I reckon they'll pick a second spinner which will be Swepson. Dryer, turning track anticipated for Sydney. If that transpires, then a second spinner is a good possibility.


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Re: ASHES 21/22

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Starc is now a higher rated all-rounder than Stokes :lol:


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First Aussie player tested positive now.
Over 5000 cases in Vic.

I wonder who will be left to play by Jan 4 or whatever.


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Langer must be spewing that we have to play Uzzie

Clearly hates him


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B.M wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 12:53pm Langer must be spewing that we have to play Uzzie

Clearly hates him
Something tells me he'll push hard for Mitch Marsh's inclusion, sacrifice a paceman, play Swepson and claim the reason as team balance.


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Ghost Like wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 1:03pm
B.M wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 12:53pm Langer must be spewing that we have to play Uzzie

Clearly hates him
Something tells me he'll push hard for Mitch Marsh's inclusion, sacrifice a paceman, play Swepson and claim the reason as team balance.
Well,that's exactly what I would do.


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Some 20/20 runs

Now Marsh is a test cricketer?!

Different games!


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B.M wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 2:22pm Some 20/20 runs

Now Marsh is a test cricketer?!

Different games!
YEP.


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B.M wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 2:22pm Some 20/20 runs

Now Marsh is a test cricketer?!

Different games!
I'm not saying that, just extrapolating on your comment / observation of JL's relationship with Usman. If he truly doesn't want him in the team that would be one way of making sure he misses out.

Apparently white ball cricket is a popular path to getting a Test cap or keeping one, it seems.


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There is no poorer excuse for a Test player than Mitch Marsh!!


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Looking at the crowds for the Boxing Day Test in South Africa I can see why the South Africans don't want to play Boxing Day in Australia, too crowded!


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The_Dud wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 10:36pm There is no poorer excuse for a Test player than Mitch Marsh!!
That he has been called up as a possible test replacement on the back of T20 performances tells us everything we need to know about where first class cricket is at.
It's endemic and it's not going to change.
Anderson, Root adding their voices of concern about the dominance of short form meaningless games after England's debacle.
But cricket has been well and truly taken over by marketing image-meisters and corporate spin merchants. They can coo all they like about stewardship of the traditions of the game. Bottom line is the only thing they care about, and it is the only thing, is how much money can be made. Everything else if fodder for sacrifice on the altar of commerce.


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The_Dud wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 10:36pm There is no poorer excuse for a Test player than Mitch Marsh!!
we can all presume you would be much better. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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Re: ASHES 21/22

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st.byron wrote: Thu 30 Dec 2021 1:31pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 30 Dec 2021 10:55am We'll only pick Hazlewood if he's 100% right...doubt Starc will be rested, as he's in career best form and it's not like he's done a massive amount of bowling!
Maybe a bowling lineup of Starc, Cummins, Boland, Green, and Lyon, same as the Boxing day test?
What a luxury to have such an arsenal of quicks...Riley Meridith from Tassie is also a great prospect!
I reckon they'll pick a second spinner which will be Swepson. Dryer, turning track anticipated for Sydney. If that transpires, then a second spinner is a good possibility.

Not unusual for 2 spinners to be picked for Sydney...used to be pretty much automatic to pick an off spinner and a leg spinner.
If that's the case, maybe go in with Mitch Marsh and young Cam Green as bowing options to 2 frontline quicks, giving 6 bowling options!


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st.byron wrote: Sat 01 Jan 2022 8:32am
The_Dud wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 10:36pm There is no poorer excuse for a Test player than Mitch Marsh!!
That he has been called up as a possible test replacement on the back of T20 performances tells us everything we need to know about where first class cricket is at.
It's endemic and it's not going to change.
Anderson, Root adding their voices of concern about the dominance of short form meaningless games after England's debacle.
But cricket has been well and truly taken over by marketing image-meisters and corporate spin merchants. They can coo all they like about stewardship of the traditions of the game. Bottom line is the only thing they care about, and it is the only thing, is how much money can be made. Everything else if fodder for sacrifice on the altar of commerce.
It might not be long before pink ball cricket takes over at test level..then there will be a ‘pink ball problem’ in addition to a red ball option.

The obvious solution is use a ball with three colours - , red, white and black, with a Saints emblem in the middle and two seams.

I promise I will only post sensibly in 2022.


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Mitch Marsh averages 25 in Test cricket.

He is statistically the worst number 6 batsmen Australia has ever had.

For reference, Starc averages 23, Mitch Johnson averaged 22.

It would be better playing Starc at 6 than Marsh.


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They lost Head to Covid, so
I think they'll go with Green at 6
7 - Casey
8 -Starc
9 - Lyon
10- Hazelwood
11 - The Leggie

Quicks will be

Starc & Hazelwood
1st Change - Green
Then Spinners...

OR??? Get this...they drop Lyon? And play the new Golden Bolan! along with the leggie...?


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Saintmike65 wrote: Sat 01 Jan 2022 12:18pm
st.byron wrote: Thu 30 Dec 2021 1:31pm
Saintmike65 wrote: Thu 30 Dec 2021 10:55am We'll only pick Hazlewood if he's 100% right...doubt Starc will be rested, as he's in career best form and it's not like he's done a massive amount of bowling!
Maybe a bowling lineup of Starc, Cummins, Boland, Green, and Lyon, same as the Boxing day test?
What a luxury to have such an arsenal of quicks...Riley Meridith from Tassie is also a great prospect!
I reckon they'll pick a second spinner which will be Swepson. Dryer, turning track anticipated for Sydney. If that transpires, then a second spinner is a good possibility.

Not unusual for 2 spinners to be picked for Sydney...used to be pretty much automatic to pick an off spinner and a leg spinner.
If that's the case, maybe go in with Mitch Marsh and young Cam Green as bowing options to 2 frontline quicks, giving 6 bowling options!

Dud is right. If Mitch Marsh gets picked for the test team, given his test match average, that will put an exclamation mark on the triumph of the meaningless KFC franchise fest.


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saynta wrote: Sat 01 Jan 2022 10:47am
The_Dud wrote: Fri 31 Dec 2021 10:36pm There is no poorer excuse for a Test player than Mitch Marsh!!
we can all presume you would be much better. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Given that logic, it's clear that you could do much better than Marcus Harris.

You posted, Dec 16, page 4 of this thread,

"Harris is not a test batsman's arsehole."

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Clearly not okay to post uncomplimentary things about Mitch Marsh, but okay to post downright ugly insults about Marcus Harris.


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