David King say…

[nostalgicsaint]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Can't recall what we got for them.

No one is saying rush Marshall out the door but if the price was right you'd have to look at it.

[Teflon]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

Reported for magical thinking and continuing to commit the fallacy of the messiah hire, ad nauseam!

Reported for BM disciple worshipping and group think

[SaintPav]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

Reported for magical thinking and continuing to commit the fallacy of the messiah hire, ad nauseam!

Reported for BM disciple worshipping and group think

Reported for copying and lack of originality.

[Teflon]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

Reported for magical thinking and continuing to commit the fallacy of the messiah hire, ad nauseam!

Reported for BM disciple worshipping and group think

Reported for copying and lack of originality.

Reported for stupidity and trolling mods doing a tough job.

[B.M]

Who here thinks it’s smart to trade a 201cm ruckman who gets it 18 times a game and is in the best 5 players on the list?

Because that might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of?!

Bit like our trading of Peter Everitt, Ben McEvoy or Carl Ditterich

Have we seriously forgot how good a player Rowan is?!

Shouldn’t he have won the 2019 B&F Teflon??

Why trade a blue chip for an unknown draft pick
We are about to lose 3 first round draft picks - none close to as good as Marshall
And Coffield is soft!

Get our actual draft picks right - before shipping off our best players for other picks.

[Teflon]

Who here thinks it’s smart to trade a 201cm ruckman who gets it 18 times a game and is in the best 5 players on the list?

Because that might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of?!

Bit like our trading of Peter Everitt, Ben McEvoy or Carl Ditterich

Have we seriously forgot how good a player Rowan is?!

Shouldn’t he have won the 2019 B&F Teflon??

Why trade a blue chip for an unknown draft pick
We are about to lose 3 first round draft picks - none close to as good as Marshall
And Coffield is soft!

David King does - you can’t follow the thread?
Still waiting for your ground breaking plan on how we get more/higher DPs??
Oh that’s right…by trading our duds …the other sides will just hand em over…
Expect another decade 8-14
Don’t think RTB shares your views /patience

[SaintPav]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

Reported for magical thinking and continuing to commit the fallacy of the messiah hire, ad nauseam!

Reported for BM disciple worshipping and group think

Reported for copying and lack of originality.

Reported for stupidity and trolling mods doing a tough job.

Reported for being an odious and intolerant twat!

[B.M]

I’d like to know who is in the ruck when we trade Rowan

Heath, Keeler???

Have you watched Sandy? They are a mile off and may never get there?!

Maybe a 31yo Tom Campbell who is about 1/5th the player Marshall is???

Maybe we recruit a ruck with a high hh draft pick - that’s smart historically?! That and Rucks take 4-5 years?

Hmm great plan!

[B.M]

I’ve already given you my plan - multiple times

And I’ve been specific

But get used to this
1/ Ross coaches for the here and now - will not cut off his nose to spite his face
2/ Will not win in his tenure - which will be 4 years

Other clubs are ahead of us right now
And
Other clubs have brighter futures

[Teflon]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

Reported for magical thinking and continuing to commit the fallacy of the messiah hire, ad nauseam!

Reported for BM disciple worshipping and group think

Reported for copying and lack of originality.

Reported for stupidity and trolling mods doing a tough job.

Reported for being an odious and intolerant twat!

Reported for attempting to use language to depict a level of intelligence that’s simply not there. Imposter. Wont be tolerated.

[Teflon]

I’ve already given you my plan - multiple times

And I’ve been specific

But get used to this
1/ Ross coaches for the here and now - will not cut off his nose to spite his face
2/ Will not win in his tenure - which will be 4 years

Other clubs are ahead of us right now
And
Other clubs have brighter futures

Your grand plan????????
1. Get rid of players you don’t value
2. Draft 1st 2nd Rd picks
3. Get magical mystery picks off other sides for 1.

That’s your plan??
That’s it?
Thank **** you are nowhere near our football dept
Amateur hour.

[SaintPav]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

Reported for magical thinking and continuing to commit the fallacy of the messiah hire, ad nauseam!

Reported for BM disciple worshipping and group think

Reported for copying and lack of originality.

Reported for stupidity and trolling mods doing a tough job.

Reported for being an odious and intolerant twat!

Reported for attempting to use language to depict a level of intelligence that’s simply not there. Imposter. Wont be tolerated.

Reported for projection and using weasel words like sustainable without knowing their real meaning.

Reporting myself for wasting time arguing with a dimwit.

[Teflon]

I would have thought Marshall was the last player we could afford to lose especially for a late first round draft pick which is what he’s worth.

Goddard
McEvoy
Dal Santo

Didn’t work then, it’s not going to work now.

Not comparable
Not even same footy dept

Reported for magical thinking and continuing to commit the fallacy of the messiah hire, ad nauseam!

Reported for BM disciple worshipping and group think

Reported for copying and lack of originality.

Reported for stupidity and trolling mods doing a tough job.

Reported for being an odious and intolerant twat!

Reported for attempting to use language to depict a level of intelligence that’s simply not there. Imposter. Wont be tolerated.

Reported for projection and using weasel words like sustainable without knowing their real meaning.

Reporting myself for wasting time arguing with a dimwit.

Reported for unsustainable posting.
Give yourself an uppercut while you’re there - you’ve earned it

[B.M]

Why do we need magical picks?

Are draft picks all you need for success???

Because historically
Going to the draft alone, rarely works and is no guarantee for success
High draft picks are no guarantee for success

There are 5 things that you must get right
List build is 1 of those - albeit the most critical

But before that can happen
List management and recruiting MUST be high level
WTF does it matter what high draft selections you’ve got if your process for selecting is flawed

We had pick 10 last year - we got elite talent

Carlton had Pick 1 in 05, 06, 07 - none were world beaters

Carlton had pick 13 in 2013 - Browlow, Pick 12 - Coleman Pick 10 Coleman

Who you pick is far more important to where you pick them.

[Teflon]

Why do we need magical picks?

Are draft picks all you need for success???

Because historically
Going to the draft alone, rarely works and is no guarantee for success
High draft picks are no guarantee for success

There are 5 things that you must get right
List build is 1 of those - albeit the most critical

But before that can happen
List management and recruiting MUST be high level
WTF does it matter what high draft selections you’ve got if your process for selecting is flawed

We had pick 10 last year - we got elite talent

Carlton had Pick 1 in 05, 06, 07 - none were world beaters

Carlton had pick 13 in 2013 - Browlow, Pick 12 - Coleman Pick 10 Coleman

Who you pick is far more important to where you pick them.

This is why it’s boorish chatting with you’re clichéd nonsense
OFCOURSE you can’t **** up the pick , we’ve done that !
Tell me this: Can you select any pick inside say top 10 if your first pick is outside that????? Can it be done? Yea/no?
Go: how do I do it?
Oh and spare me the drafting alone wont get you there nonsense…the only thing exciting Saints fans right now is the faint hope draft picks like Owens Pou etc bring…
Top 10 picks ain’t what they were even 6/8 years ago
They’re often ready to play hence why they’re rated highly
But tell me again how “one needs to ensure one picks astutely..”

[B.M]

Phillipou has great talent - shouldn’t be in the team
Mitch Owens is also talented - but not Nat Fyfe as some on here are believing
Windhager- second year blues - or Lyon isn’t using him well
Nasiah- outstanding last month - imo the pick of the bunch


I’ve told you the way I would churn the list, multiple times

I’ll tell you another thing
It wouldn’t involve the trading of Rowan Marshall

[happy feet]

I’m with B.M on this. To suggest trading Rowan Marshall for unknown draft picks would have to be one of the dumbest suggestions I have even seen on Saintsational.

David King is no friend of the St. Kilda Football Club and anything he suggests should be ignored.

[nostalgicsaint]

I think it is worth reframing the question and for what it's worth I agree with the BM approach to list management.

That said if the question is.

Would you consider trading a player who is 28 years of age or older if you are likely to receive a deal that is above their value?

I think the answer has to be- we would look at it.

This doesn't mean we rush to push those players out.

[Teflon]

I don’t think RTB is interested in BMs standard, incremental approach which leaves us where we have been for 10 years
Decisions will be made - some unpopular but if you want to make a “sustainable omelet “ have to crack some eggs …

[Teflon]

Phillipou has great talent - shouldn’t be in the team
Mitch Owens is also talented - but not Nat Fyfe as some on here are believing
Windhager- second year blues - or Lyon isn’t using him well
Nasiah- outstanding last month - imo the pick of the bunch


I’ve told you the way I would churn the list, multiple times

I’ll tell you another thing
It wouldn’t involve the trading of Rowan Marshall

You haven’t told us your “plan” at all
You’ve put forward cliches …where’s the plan??
“Get rid of fringe and recruit 1st 2nd round picks “
That’s not a plan it’s what all clubs do
It doesn’t get you ahead of the curve
I’ll tell you one thing…you gotta give to get …clubs aren’t stupid…so outside Gresham (who’s gone) who you offering up to improve our trade hand???????
Please don’t say Seb..

[The_Dud]

To get something you have to give something, bundling up a bunch of average players doesn't equal a star.

Different teams have different needs, a trade can easily be a win-win.

[Ghost Like]

Is he a very good player, yep. A lot of teams would love him as icing on the cake.

Is he a good number 1 ruckman?

He’s not great at ruck contested, not great resting forward, not dominant in the air around the ground.

He needs to be 10cm taller or shorter, he’s stuck in no man’s land for me. He’s like an oversized mid.

We need a dominant ruckman to take the next step.

Nailed it in summary of RoMa.

The other thing disappointing me with RoMa at present, is he does not seem to be supporting our defenders as much as I expect someone with his talent and mobility. The past two weeks I have not noticed him filling a hole and intercepting.

At 200cm and free to run the entire ground, he will get possessions but I want him intercepting in defence or drifting forward and kicking goals, especially if he's not helping our centre clearances.

Do I want him traded? I would look at all offers and for once try to pick one in our favour. If none are, then he's a keeper. I will happily have RoMa with less possessions by helping our structure forward and playing 2nd ruck for 30-40% of game time. There was a reason our W/L was better when both Ryder & Marshall played.

Many teams have had forward prigression after making the right deals on very good players. Adelaide, Port, Fremantle, Melbourne, Sydney, Richmond and Collingwood have all let players go to fill holes & obtain draft picks to ultimately move forward.

Unfortunately we cannot continue to hold on to our better players and bemoan the fact we are mid table. Paying overs for FAs & ex champions only restricts our ability to genuinely entice elite talent and ultimately hold on to our kids.

[Otiman]

This is the "Hawthorn" strategy.

Let's have a look at how they've gone about it.

They've shopped anyone over a certain age and really got nothing in return. The O'meara trade is about the only one they've got something out of.

I can't see it working for us unless we want a wealth of 3rd and 4th round picks.

2022
Freebie Karl Amon in
Freebie Fergus Greene in
Trade in #18 (used for Josh Weddle) for #27 and future 2nd & 3rd rounders
Trade O'Meara & R4 pick for Meek & R2 pick
Trade Tom Mitchell for useless picks and Cooper Stephens (0 games)
Give away Gunston for useless picks

2021
Give away Ceglar for useless picks
Freebie Max Lynch (8 games, 1 this year) for unused picks

2020
Freebie Tom Phillips for useless picks
Freebie Hartigan for useless picks

2019
Give away Pittonet for useless picks
Give away Patton for useless picks

[B.M]

Hawthorn are a bottom side and will remain bottom 8 for a while

Teflon
I would churn over a quarter of the list in 2 seasons

But I’d keep the good players

Marshall is one of them!

If you value hit outs - he is an average ruckman
If you value around the ground impact - he is A Grade

Marshall has 6 years left as an AFL player

To offload him would be insane!

[Otiman]

One point I'm making with the Hawthorn trade list is that in the current market we will not get anything near what it would be worth to us to let Marshall go. There is no trade value for anyone over 26.

For us to consider a trade, it would need to be one pick in the top 15 plus another in the top 20. No-one would be offering that.

You might get an offer of a 2nd tier midfielder or KPD and pick #25 but that's it.