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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006226Post Yorkeys »

saintsRrising wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 8:13pm
Yorkeys wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 7:38pm
Tim missed/muffed chances, allowed Port defenders to dominate at critical times.
If he had performed his role as he is charged with as a key forward we would not have lost. He played poorly.
Key forward? Tim is a massive 188cm tall! Owens and The Poo are both taller.

He is an exceptional mark for his size, but he is not a key position forward.

Tim is a "third tall" which is code for a player who is a good mark, but does not have the size to play as a key forward.

He needs to the foil to the dual act King and Caminiti. Or at least one of them.


With Cordy the supposed Key Position Decoy to much load goes on to Tim.
He certainly isn't. That's the point. He came in for AC. And yes Tim has serious limitations.


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006233Post Scollop »

It's funny and a little ironic that when Tim Membrey arrived at St Kilda he wasn't valued...for same or similar reasons to now...I thought back in 2015 that once he came into the team that he deserved to stay in the seniors.

There was a perception (wrongly mind you) that he wasn't as worthy as others or he didn't have as many weapons and a limited ceiling for development versus others.

At that time, 2015/2016 we had Roo (top banana in the forward line and our captain) plus Josh Bruce (second banana) and then you had the 2014 Number1 draft pick in McCartin who we needed to fast track with the imminent retirement of our top Forward banana.

As well as these pure forwards, there was Tom Hickey and Billy Longer who often rested forward and we had a guy at Sandy in Buddy Spencer White who was also a forward prospect. Tim struggled to hold a spot in the seniors because every loss meant the coach needed scapegoats

The coaches at the time kept dropping Tim Membrey so Tim had to fight harder than others and each game he came in he played to a level where the coaches were forced to retain him.

Probably similar to when Jack Steele arrived at St Kilda. The coaches thought other players like Newnes, Koby Stevens, Acres, Dunstan, Nathan Wright and Weller were better than Steele. Billings was also favoured to go in the middle ahead of Steele.

I think with King out with injury and the Caminiti suspension (plus the pressure from losses) people are forgetting how valuable Tim has been to our side. He is valuable but he has never been and should NOT be expected to be top banana.

So right now in 2023 it's back to that 2015 mentality and there are some who believe Membrey doesn't have a place in the team.


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006237Post Teflon »

3rd tall forward
Slow decision maker
Zero defensive pressure
Doesn’t lead or crash a pack
Needs to kick goals weekly to offset those deficits
Isn’t getting younger
Big year for Tim


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006238Post Vortex »

Caminiti has played 4 okish games.

Is he the new messiah in our forward line?

Sounds like Members papers are stamped.


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006239Post Vortex »

Caminiti has played 4 okish games.

Is he the new messiah in our forward line?

Sounds like Members papers are stamped.


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006241Post Teflon »

Vortex wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 9:44pm Caminiti has played 4 okish games.

Is he the new messiah in our forward line?

Sounds like Members papers are stamped.
I’d play Sharman


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Re: Mids

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Teflon wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 9:40pm 3rd tall forward
Slow decision maker
Zero defensive pressure
Doesn’t lead or crash a pack
Needs to kick goals weekly to offset those deficits
Isn’t getting younger
Big year for Tim
Bulldust it's a big year. No different

He's been doing his job and doing it well for 150 games+ for the Saints

Btw...what is his job? You said it the first line of your post

When King and Hammer are back and Tim plays his role, people will put their tails between their legs and stfu


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Re: Mids

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Teflon wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 9:49pm
Vortex wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 9:44pm Caminiti has played 4 okish games.

Is he the new messiah in our forward line?

Sounds like Members papers are stamped.
I’d play Sharman
Who?


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006246Post Vortex »

Was that Members 2nd game since August last year?

Polled very well in the TB award

But is all washed up

This site is getting wackier


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006248Post Scollop »

The thread has been derailed

It's Tim Membrey's fault that our wingers and mids kept kicking long bombs into the forward line

It's not good enough that he can't leap over 8 people and take mark of the year at least once every quarter

It's also better to drop Tim (who definitely won't grow 6 inches before our Round 8 match) rather than get the mids to lower their eyes or run and gun -like Hunter did - and possibly contribute with some goals themselves.

Mids are allowed to kick goals. I'm sure Ross doesn't have a rule saying they can't


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006276Post Teflon »

Vortex wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 10:02pm Was that Members 2nd game since August last year?

Polled very well in the TB award

But is all washed up

This site is getting wackier
You’re only as good as your next game
Last game was a write off
Let’s hope Caminiti keeps coming on
Exciting times as he’s the future in terms of our next GF
Tim isn’t


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006277Post Teflon »

Scollop wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 9:53pm
Teflon wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 9:40pm 3rd tall forward
Slow decision maker
Zero defensive pressure
Doesn’t lead or crash a pack
Needs to kick goals weekly to offset those deficits
Isn’t getting younger
Big year for Tim
Bulldust it's a big year. No different

He's been doing his job and doing it well for 150 games+ for the Saints

Btw...what is his job? You said it the first line of your post

When King and Hammer are back and Tim plays his role, people will put their tails between their legs and stfu
Let’s hope so
Or he doesn’t play
Then people will stfu


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006279Post Teflon »

Scollop wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 10:06pm The thread has been derailed

It's Tim Membrey's fault that our wingers and mids kept kicking long bombs into the forward line

It's not good enough that he can't leap over 8 people and take mark of the year at least once every quarter

It's also better to drop Tim (who definitely won't grow 6 inches before our Round 8 match) rather than get the mids to lower their eyes or run and gun -like Hunter did - and possibly contribute with some goals themselves.

Mids are allowed to kick goals. I'm sure Ross doesn't have a rule saying they can't
Tim can help himself
**** run and lead up at the ball
Don’t stand there 3 deep demanding the ball to be kicked on your head
If you’re a 3rd tall - friggin play like that and to your strengths
You are never pushing Allir etc out of the contest so don’t be dumb
Yes mids lower your eyes (been done to death)
But our forward line looked more dangerous and mobile without Tim and when Caminiti etc were hitting packs
Pies is the blueprint- MOVE
Slow decision making and treacle movement from Tim wont cut it
He gets a chance against a bottom side this week to show his wares
Step up time Tim - 3rd game back so no excuses


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006280Post B.M »

My god

This thread is ridiculous

Almost embarrassingly stupid

Cordy and Caminiti better than Membrey

FFS - I’ve heard it all

BTW
Not answered - how did Tim play 2 weeks ago?!


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Re: Mids

Post: # 2006283Post Teflon »

B.M wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 12:11am My god

This thread is ridiculous

Almost embarrassingly stupid

Cordy and Caminiti better than Membrey

FFS - I’ve heard it all

BTW
Not answered - how did Tim play 2 weeks ago?!
What an hysterical rambling comment
Tim was Shiite last game
He needs to be better this week
We are a developing side I personally hope Caminiti takes Tims spot …it means we’ve developed and improved
You start screaming hysterically everyday?


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Re: Mids

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Teflon wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 12:08am
Scollop wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 10:06pm The thread has been derailed

It's Tim Membrey's fault that our wingers and mids kept kicking long bombs into the forward line

It's not good enough that he can't leap over 8 people and take mark of the year at least once every quarter

It's also better to drop Tim (who definitely won't grow 6 inches before our Round 8 match) rather than get the mids to lower their eyes or run and gun -like Hunter did - and possibly contribute with some goals themselves.

Mids are allowed to kick goals. I'm sure Ross doesn't have a rule saying they can't
Tim can help himself
**** run and lead up at the ball
Don’t stand there 3 deep demanding the ball to be kicked on your head
If you’re a 3rd tall - friggin play like that and to your strengths
You are never pushing Allir etc out of the contest so don’t be dumb
Yes mids lower your eyes (been done to death)
But our forward line looked more dangerous and mobile without Tim and when Caminiti etc were hitting packs
Pies is the blueprint- MOVE
Slow decision making and treacle movement from Tim wont cut it
He gets a chance against a bottom side this week to show his wares
Step up time Tim - 3rd game back so no excuses
You and others want a scapegoat for our loss. If we'd won you'd be highlighting Hunter Clark's brilliant goal and the effort of Marshall in the last quarter

A simple person makes up their mind that they know what the solution is when the problem is not even remotely related to their solution

Keep digging


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Re: Mids

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Scollop wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 1:41am
Teflon wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 12:08am
Scollop wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 10:06pm The thread has been derailed

It's Tim Membrey's fault that our wingers and mids kept kicking long bombs into the forward line

It's not good enough that he can't leap over 8 people and take mark of the year at least once every quarter

It's also better to drop Tim (who definitely won't grow 6 inches before our Round 8 match) rather than get the mids to lower their eyes or run and gun -like Hunter did - and possibly contribute with some goals themselves.

Mids are allowed to kick goals. I'm sure Ross doesn't have a rule saying they can't
Tim can help himself
**** run and lead up at the ball
Don’t stand there 3 deep demanding the ball to be kicked on your head
If you’re a 3rd tall - friggin play like that and to your strengths
You are never pushing Allir etc out of the contest so don’t be dumb
Yes mids lower your eyes (been done to death)
But our forward line looked more dangerous and mobile without Tim and when Caminiti etc were hitting packs
Pies is the blueprint- MOVE
Slow decision making and treacle movement from Tim wont cut it
He gets a chance against a bottom side this week to show his wares
Step up time Tim - 3rd game back so no excuses
You and others want a scapegoat for our loss. If we'd won you'd be highlighting Hunter Clark's brilliant goal and the effort of Marshall in the last quarter

A simple person makes up their mind that they know what the solution is when the problem is not even remotely related to their solution

Keep digging
A simple person buries their head in the sand and can’t acknowledge areas where we were poor
Tim was part of that the coach in his presser said so…Ross does pressers as much to send a message to players
Was that our sole reason for the loss??
An even simpler person would suggest there was only 1
Whose got the time to educate them… not I
Carry on


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Re: Mids

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Teflon wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 12:00am
Vortex wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 10:02pm Was that Members 2nd game since August last year?

Polled very well in the TB award

But is all washed up

This site is getting wackier
You’re only as good as your next game
Last game was a write off
Let’s hope Caminiti keeps coming on
Exciting times as he’s the future in terms of our next GF
Tim isn’t
I like to wait until a player has played 7 games before I declare they are part of our next premiership team.


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Re: Mids

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Teflon wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 8:32am …Ross does pressers as much to send a message to players
Was that our sole reason for the loss??
An even simpler person would suggest there was only 1
I get it now. You listened to the after match journo q and a. So that's why Yorkeys and yourself were parroting what was said by Ross.

I didn't watch it. I just watch the actual game. I understand how his disciples took his words as 'gospel' (i.e as a message to Tim...as you stated)

Pity you don't see things objectively and you didn't realise it was Ross deflecting


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Re: Mids

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Vortex wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 6:41pm
Teflon wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 12:00am
Vortex wrote: Mon 01 May 2023 10:02pm Was that Members 2nd game since August last year?

Polled very well in the TB award

But is all washed up

This site is getting wackier
You’re only as good as your next game
Last game was a write off
Let’s hope Caminiti keeps coming on
Exciting times as he’s the future in terms of our next GF
Tim isn’t
I like to wait until a player has played 7 games before I declare they are part of our next premiership team.

It’s your lucky number


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Re: Mids

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Scollop wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 9:34pm
Teflon wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 8:32am …Ross does pressers as much to send a message to players
Was that our sole reason for the loss??
An even simpler person would suggest there was only 1
I get it now. You listened to the after match journo q and a. So that's why Yorkeys and yourself were parroting what was said by Ross.

I didn't watch it. I just watch the actual game. I understand how his disciples took his words as 'gospel' (i.e as a message to Tim...as you stated)

Pity you don't see things objectively and you didn't realise it was Ross deflecting
😂 I don’t think you get much to be honest let alone now telling us how we misinterpreted the master
That just can’t happen
Try again


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Re: Mids

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It’s important for you to follow and emulate your messiah, so deflect away Teffers

Take a step back. What’s this thread supposed to be discussing?


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Re: Mids

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Scollop wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 10:48pm It’s important for you to follow and emulate your messiah, so deflect away Teffers

Take a step back. What’s this thread supposed to be discussing?
All threads lead to “him”
You know that


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Re: Mids

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Scollop wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 9:34pm
Teflon wrote: Tue 02 May 2023 8:32am …Ross does pressers as much to send a message to players
Was that our sole reason for the loss??
An even simpler person would suggest there was only 1
I get it now. You listened to the after match journo q and a. So that's why Yorkeys and yourself were parroting what was said by Ross.

I didn't watch it. I just watch the actual game. I understand how his disciples took his words as 'gospel' (i.e as a message to Tim...as you stated)

Pity you don't see things objectively and you didn't realise it was Ross deflecting
Attended. Saw good and faithful servant Tim in action. Thought : poor guy he's rusty as. Later, as Port defenders marked with amazing regularity, thought: Tim at least contest, play man on man if you can't judge the flight, you were Ratts go to guy behind the ball, defend the defenders. He was pretty ineffectual after long time out ? but yes I think Caminiti is a far superior option, even if Tim improves. Good sides' defenders can just make Tim a spectator. With Max and AC available can't see TM being a regular.
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