Team v GWS

[kosifantutti]

No McCartin or Goddard.

I see Lamb has been named at CHF for the Eagles. His non-selection is going to piss me off I think.

A big mistake.

This upset me too but at least we got Goddard who will be a beauty.

We really need to invest in players that have Saints in their bloodlines that are showing potential.

Would we still be bottom if we had Jack Riewoldt, James Frawley and Marcus Bontempelli in our team this year?

All 3 should have been drafted by us but I think we were gun shy after Raphael Clarke.

Lamb looks a potential star to me.

So just to clarify, you're suggesting we draft players who our recruiters think are not as good as other players in the draft because they're related to some of our players? Is it still 1 April somewhere?

To clarify, the Club rated the best of Lamb as very good but the worst of Lamb was 'putrid'.

Case in point why he slid and also as to why we did not select him.

Was referring to the Riewoldt, Frawley, Bontempelli part of the discussion rather that Lamb. Is Lamb related to anyone?

Lamb is a Grandson of Ian Cooper I think.
Where does Bontempelli fit?

[8856brother]

Happy about Lonie. Dumbfounded about Hickey.

[BackFromUSA]

No McCartin or Goddard.

I see Lamb has been named at CHF for the Eagles. His non-selection is going to piss me off I think.

A big mistake.

This upset me too but at least we got Goddard who will be a beauty.

We really need to invest in players that have Saints in their bloodlines that are showing potential.

Would we still be bottom if we had Jack Riewoldt, James Frawley and Marcus Bontempelli in our team this year?

All 3 should have been drafted by us but I think we were gun shy after Raphael Clarke.

Lamb looks a potential star to me.

So just to clarify, you're suggesting we draft players who our recruiters think are not as good as other players in the draft because they're related to some of our players? Is it still 1 April somewhere?

To clarify, the Club rated the best of Lamb as very good but the worst of Lamb was 'putrid'.

Case in point why he slid and also as to why we did not select him.

Was referring to the Riewoldt, Frawley, Bontempelli part of the discussion rather that Lamb. Is Lamb related to anyone?

Lamb is a Grandson of Ian Cooper I think.
Where does Bontempelli fit?

Bontempelli is Dal Santo's cousin.

[BackFromUSA]

Happy about Lonie. Dumbfounded about Hickey.

Me too re Hickey.

[SaintPav]

http://www.saints.com.au/news/2015-04-0 ... s-to-debut

[Sobraz]

Happy about Lonie. Dumbfounded about Hickey.

Me too re Hickey.

Astonishing.

[Spinner]

Tom x 3 for emergencies.

Maybe Hickey has to work his way back into the team -

Much against popular views I reckon longer did well last year - combative in the ruck. It's the first stepping stone.

[8856brother]

Tom x 3 for emergencies.

Maybe Hickey has to work his way back into the team -

Much against popular views I reckon longer did well last year - combative in the ruck. It's the first stepping stone.

I'll warm to him when he starts averaging more than 1 mark a game.

[Spinner]

Tom x 3 for emergencies.

Maybe Hickey has to work his way back into the team -

Much against popular views I reckon longer did well last year - combative in the ruck. It's the first stepping stone.

I'll warm to him when he starts averaging more than 1 mark a game.

What's his hit out average?

[Dr Spaceman]

Didn't Hickey have an injury, surgery and a late start to the pre-season?

It's a tough gig this AFL and a really tough gig if you're a ruckman.

Maybe it's to do with fitness and match practice and nothing more.

[8856brother]

Tom x 3 for emergencies.

Maybe Hickey has to work his way back into the team -

Much against popular views I reckon longer did well last year - combative in the ruck. It's the first stepping stone.

I'll warm to him when he starts averaging more than 1 mark a game.

What's his hit out average?

We obviously judge our Ruckman differently. Each to their own. I'd take a half fit Hickey atm. If we just want hit outs, play Johnny.

[gringo]

He only started running a few weeks ago. Was overseas getting work on his knee in the off season. I think it would be irresponsible to play him if he's going to break down

[bergholt]

He only started running a few weeks ago. Was overseas getting work on his knee in the off season. I think it would be irresponsible to play him if he's going to break down

Hickey? If that's the case, why name him as emergency?

Weird side:

- Longer ahead of Hickey
- four small forwards: Saad, Schneider, Lonie, Templeton
- Roberton on a wing
- two tall emergencies

Tom Curren has to be in serious difficulty this year if he can't get a game in the competition's worst midfield.

[Spinner]

Tom x 3 for emergencies.

Maybe Hickey has to work his way back into the team -

Much against popular views I reckon longer did well last year - combative in the ruck. It's the first stepping stone.

I'll warm to him when he starts averaging more than 1 mark a game.

What's his hit out average?

We obviously judge our Ruckman differently. Each to their own. I'd take a half fit Hickey atm. If we just want hit outs, play Johnny.

Obviously. So if Lonie takes more marks on Sunday is he a better ruckman than Longer?

But seriously would like to know his hitouts and opposition ruck hitouts. Definitely holds his own and more considering his youth. Surely that's the first role of a ruckman - I even think that's why the position was created.

[Con Gorozidis]

He only started running a few weeks ago. Was overseas getting work on his knee in the off season. I think it would be irresponsible to play him if he's going to break down

Hickey? If that's the case, why name him as emergency?

Weird side:

- Longer ahead of Hickey
- four small forwards: Saad, Schneider, Lonie, Templeton
- Roberton on a wing
- two tall emergencies

Tom Curren has to be in serious difficulty this year if he can't get a game in the competition's worst midfield.

Side to me is pretty much as expected apart from only two things:

1. Seems very weird to me that Longer is ahead of Hickey....
2. Schneider

I have a feeling we are going to miss the polish and run of Billings and Webster.

[saintspremiers]

So an underdone Roo is better option than Paddy, Pammy, or Whitey.

[Jacks Back]

No McCartin or Goddard.

I see Lamb has been named at CHF for the Eagles. His non-selection is going to piss me off I think.

A big mistake.

This upset me too but at least we got Goddard who will be a beauty.

We really need to invest in players that have Saints in their bloodlines that are showing potential.

Would we still be bottom if we had Jack Riewoldt, James Frawley and Marcus Bontempelli in our team this year?

All 3 should have been drafted by us but I think we were gun shy after Raphael Clarke.

Lamb looks a potential star to me.

So just to clarify, you're suggesting we draft players who our recruiters think are not as good as other players in the draft because they're related to some of our players? Is it still 1 April somewhere?

Actually I think heritage and pride in a club and jumper should be a factor.

I would have loved us to have drafted Jack Riewoldt instead of Armo even though I love Armo. The kid was kicking bags in senior competition and was nowhere near fit. He was classed as unfit, possibly lazy and too short for modern key position. Of course that excludes consideration of his physical and mental development plus at the time we wanted quality midfielders with the retirement and pending retirements.

Frawley would have been a bonus that year. As it turned out if things were different and we had not sold off the farm to dive down the bottom to rebuild - we could have got him in free agency - just like Hawthorn have.

Bontempelli vs Billings will be debated for years. Go back and look at the photos of the top 10 draft picks that year. Billings has the smallest frame by a country mile. My query is can he build an AFL body to go to war. Amazing skills but when bodies get battered, the skill level drops. Bontempelli has the physical profile of the ideal modern midfielder. Billings will be good no doubt. Dal's cousin could be ANYTHING! His magic moments are superstar material. A game breaker.

As for Lamb - agree as a 17 year old he had some shockers BUT some games he blitzed ... To me that looks like mental preparation as an issue something that can be worked out in professional environment like an AFL club.

We seem to be picking up a lot of small guys as possible midfielders when the trend is now for the taller midfielders.

[Old Mate]

No McCartin or Goddard.

I see Lamb has been named at CHF for the Eagles. His non-selection is going to piss me off I think.

A big mistake.

This upset me too but at least we got Goddard who will be a beauty.

We really need to invest in players that have Saints in their bloodlines that are showing potential.

Would we still be bottom if we had Jack Riewoldt, James Frawley and Marcus Bontempelli in our team this year?

All 3 should have been drafted by us but I think we were gun shy after Raphael Clarke.

Lamb looks a potential star to me.

So just to clarify, you're suggesting we draft players who our recruiters think are not as good as other players in the draft because they're related to some of our players? Is it still 1 April somewhere?

Actually I think heritage and pride in a club and jumper should be a factor.

I would have loved us to have drafted Jack Riewoldt instead of Armo even though I love Armo. The kid was kicking bags in senior competition and was nowhere near fit. He was classed as unfit, possibly lazy and too short for modern key position. Of course that excludes consideration of his physical and mental development plus at the time we wanted quality midfielders with the retirement and pending retirements.

Frawley would have been a bonus that year. As it turned out if things were different and we had not sold off the farm to dive down the bottom to rebuild - we could have got him in free agency - just like Hawthorn have.

Bontempelli vs Billings will be debated for years. Go back and look at the photos of the top 10 draft picks that year. Billings has the smallest frame by a country mile. My query is can he build an AFL body to go to war. Amazing skills but when bodies get battered, the skill level drops. Bontempelli has the physical profile of the ideal modern midfielder. Billings will be good no doubt. Dal's cousin could be ANYTHING! His magic moments are superstar material. A game breaker.

As for Lamb - agree as a 17 year old he had some shockers BUT some games he blitzed ... To me that looks like mental preparation as an issue something that can be worked out in professional environment like an AFL club.

We seem to be picking up a lot of small guys as possible midfielders when the trend is now for the taller midfielders.

Blake Acres is a big unit. Seb Ross as well.

[saint6709]

No McCartin or Goddard.

I see Lamb has been named at CHF for the Eagles. His non-selection is going to piss me off I think.

A big mistake.

I was keen on Lamb before the draft because of his family connection and desire to come to the saints -- I would have been totally on board with all picked had we taken Lamb instead of McKenzie -- I hope to be able to eat the words in this post with McKenzie becoming a star - but at this point Lamb looks to be leading him in a direct comparison - very early days though !

[bigcarl]

1. Seems very weird to me that Longer is ahead of Hickey.

Yes, puzzling. Perhaps there was an indiscretion of some sort,

[saintsRrising]

1. Seems very weird to me that Longer is ahead of Hickey.

Yes, puzzling. Perhaps there was an indiscretion of some sort,

I think it is only that Longer has hada full pre-season whereas Hickey missed a lot of it.

IMO a fully fit Hickey is way in front of Longer at present as Longer does littler around the ground.

[plugger66]

No McCartin or Goddard.

I see Lamb has been named at CHF for the Eagles. His non-selection is going to piss me off I think.

A big mistake.

This upset me too but at least we got Goddard who will be a beauty.

We really need to invest in players that have Saints in their bloodlines that are showing potential.

Would we still be bottom if we had Jack Riewoldt, James Frawley and Marcus Bontempelli in our team this year?

All 3 should have been drafted by us but I think we were gun shy after Raphael Clarke.

Lamb looks a potential star to me.

So just to clarify, you're suggesting we draft players who our recruiters think are not as good as other players in the draft because they're related to some of our players? Is it still 1 April somewhere?

Actually I think heritage and pride in a club and jumper should be a factor.

I would have loved us to have drafted Jack Riewoldt instead of Armo even though I love Armo. The kid was kicking bags in senior competition and was nowhere near fit. He was classed as unfit, possibly lazy and too short for modern key position. Of course that excludes consideration of his physical and mental development plus at the time we wanted quality midfielders with the retirement and pending retirements.

Frawley would have been a bonus that year. As it turned out if things were different and we had not sold off the farm to dive down the bottom to rebuild - we could have got him in free agency - just like Hawthorn have.

Bontempelli vs Billings will be debated for years. Go back and look at the photos of the top 10 draft picks that year. Billings has the smallest frame by a country mile. My query is can he build an AFL body to go to war. Amazing skills but when bodies get battered, the skill level drops. Bontempelli has the physical profile of the ideal modern midfielder. Billings will be good no doubt. Dal's cousin could be ANYTHING! His magic moments are superstar material. A game breaker.

As for Lamb - agree as a 17 year old he had some shockers BUT some games he blitzed ... To me that looks like mental preparation as an issue something that can be worked out in professional environment like an AFL club.

Yep lets just draft every relation. What about Jacks brother. How is he going now and people wanted us to draft him. And we get Bomp because Dal used to play for us even though people had a go at the WB for taking him to early. All hindsight baiter. And you are now saying you don't want Goddard but isn't he a relation?

[mad saint guy]

Weird side:

- Longer ahead of Hickey
- four small forwards: Saad, Schneider, Lonie, Templeton
- Roberton on a wing
- two tall emergencies

Tom Curren has to be in serious difficulty this year if he can't get a game in the competition's worst midfield.

Agree that Longer ahead of Hickey is strange, maybe they don't want to risk Hickey being a bit underdone against the monster that is Mumford. Longer is a more physical ruckman who could stand up to the battering.

I suspect Schneids will be playing off half back and Templeton on a wing. Forwards will be Roo, Bruce, Membrey, Saad, Lonie with a few rotating in there.

Curren is just about cooked IMO. I rated him early on as a ball-winning mid and then as a tagger, but in the defensive forward role he just doesn't do enough damage and he's got too much competition. It looks like he's been written off as a potential mid for some reason (height, skills?). Somewhat similar career path to McQualter.

[skeptic]

I think if there was the slightest bit of doubt Re Hickey's fitness, they are wise to play Billy instead.

Got to get games into both of them

[BackFromUSA]

No McCartin or Goddard.

I see Lamb has been named at CHF for the Eagles. His non-selection is going to piss me off I think.

A big mistake.

This upset me too but at least we got Goddard who will be a beauty.

We really need to invest in players that have Saints in their bloodlines that are showing potential.

Would we still be bottom if we had Jack Riewoldt, James Frawley and Marcus Bontempelli in our team this year?

All 3 should have been drafted by us but I think we were gun shy after Raphael Clarke.

Lamb looks a potential star to me.

So just to clarify, you're suggesting we draft players who our recruiters think are not as good as other players in the draft because they're related to some of our players? Is it still 1 April somewhere?

Actually I think heritage and pride in a club and jumper should be a factor.

I would have loved us to have drafted Jack Riewoldt instead of Armo even though I love Armo. The kid was kicking bags in senior competition and was nowhere near fit. He was classed as unfit, possibly lazy and too short for modern key position. Of course that excludes consideration of his physical and mental development plus at the time we wanted quality midfielders with the retirement and pending retirements.

Frawley would have been a bonus that year. As it turned out if things were different and we had not sold off the farm to dive down the bottom to rebuild - we could have got him in free agency - just like Hawthorn have.

Bontempelli vs Billings will be debated for years. Go back and look at the photos of the top 10 draft picks that year. Billings has the smallest frame by a country mile. My query is can he build an AFL body to go to war. Amazing skills but when bodies get battered, the skill level drops. Bontempelli has the physical profile of the ideal modern midfielder. Billings will be good no doubt. Dal's cousin could be ANYTHING! His magic moments are superstar material. A game breaker.

As for Lamb - agree as a 17 year old he had some shockers BUT some games he blitzed ... To me that looks like mental preparation as an issue something that can be worked out in professional environment like an AFL club.

Yep lets just draft every relation. What about Jacks brother. How is he going now and people wanted us to draft him. And we get Bomp because Dal used to play for us even though people had a go at the WB for taking him to early. All hindsight baiter. And you are now saying you don't want Goddard but isn't he a relation?

Hi Plugger66

Firstly I am not baiting - I am just pointing out when you seem to suffer from a comprehension issue in this post - as with the Matrix post earlier in the week.

One by one ...

"Yep lets just draft every relation."

I have previously posted:

"Actually I think heritage and pride in a club and jumper should be a factor." By factor I clearly state NOT the only consideration. I am saying that in a draft situation you have two players ranked within a "band of talent" and one of those draftees has a historical link and heritage connection to the club is should be e big tick in their favour.

"What about Jacks brother. How is he going now and people wanted us to draft him."

I actually do not know who you are asking about. Jack Steven? Jack Newnes? Jack Riewoldt? Jack who? Either way I am not talking about them and never have AND more importantly I never stated that we should just draft any old relation.

"And we get Bomp because Dal used to play for us even though people had a go at the WB for taking him to early."

My concern from day 1 with Billings is his body shape. His skill was the best in that draft. I would have rated Billings around 7 in that draft but that is my opinion. He will come good but needs 4 to 5 years to get an AFL body IMHO and then he will be a star. Bontempelli has an AFL body now, is the right body type for a midfielder in modern footy and will be a star for 10+ years IMHO. I think Bontempelli was in the 3 - 8 range for drafting and based on my belief that relationships and heritage have meaning ... I would have picked him at 3. I am not unhappy with Billings at 3, but would have liked Bontempelli more. Having said that I think in 5 years time they will both be elite.

"And you are now saying you don't want Goddard but isn't he a relation?"

NO that is the opposite of what I said. I said:

but at least we got Goddard who will be a beauty.

Now Plugger66 - I know you think I am baiting you, but I am merely pointing out when you have miscomprehended what a poster has written and formed your argument against them on this incorrect base. If these are not cases of miscomprehension, then the only other explanation would be that you are delliberately trying to start an argument and inflame aggressive responses from posters. As I do not want to assume that you would deliberately want to inflame an argument, I am assuming you just have some comprehsion issues and I am merely trying to point them out to you to help you understand what people are saying so that you can contribute meaningfully.