Liam Stocker
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Liam Stocker
Exactly what is the knock on this kid?
Why would Carlton have let him go?
I know he's not quick, but he's a great kick and a beast at the contest.
I don't quite understand.
Why would Carlton have let him go?
I know he's not quick, but he's a great kick and a beast at the contest.
I don't quite understand.
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Re: Liam Stocker
Stocker has been solid. Nothing brilliant. He is a tough cookie
Nick Coffield's best footy is probably a step above Stocker, but I don't think Coff can defend 1-1 as well as Stocker
I think Nick Coffield will need to show outstanding form at Sandringham to break back into this team.
Nick Coffield's best footy is probably a step above Stocker, but I don't think Coff can defend 1-1 as well as Stocker
I think Nick Coffield will need to show outstanding form at Sandringham to break back into this team.
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Re: Liam Stocker
Agree. Paton along with Byrnes are liabilities with the ball.
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Re: Liam Stocker
I thought Paton was good yesterday.
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Re: Liam Stocker
If we had a fully-fit team, there would be quite a struggle for three backline places among five players: Webster, Paton, Coffield, Stocker and NWM (Howard, Wilkie, Battle and Sinclair are of course all sacrosanct).
To my way of thinking, Webster and NWM are ahead of the rest by a fair margin. So that leaves one spot available for one of Coffield, Paton and Stocker.
For me, Coffield has yet to prove that he's a first team player. He might very well be one, but - largely through circumstances beyond his control - he has never had the opportunity to demonstrate this, and I find it strange that so many posters seem to believe he will walk straight into the team when he is fit. I predict a prolonged spell at the Zebras to give him the opportunity to show what he can do.
Paton is a good player, but I'd rate Stocker ahead of him at the moment, and would suspect that the coaching staff would do the same. So that means that Stocker will probably be guaranteed a spot in the team unless and until we have all our backline players available and Coffield has shown himself to be the genius that so many posters seem to believe him to be. And I'm happy about that: Stocker is a solid performer. The Blues were crazy to let him go.
The player for whom I feel sorry is Highmore. Like Bytel, he is an AFL-quality player, but there is no room for him in the first 23. But that's a good sign for us: top teams usually have a number of AFL-quality players in reserve.
To my way of thinking, Webster and NWM are ahead of the rest by a fair margin. So that leaves one spot available for one of Coffield, Paton and Stocker.
For me, Coffield has yet to prove that he's a first team player. He might very well be one, but - largely through circumstances beyond his control - he has never had the opportunity to demonstrate this, and I find it strange that so many posters seem to believe he will walk straight into the team when he is fit. I predict a prolonged spell at the Zebras to give him the opportunity to show what he can do.
Paton is a good player, but I'd rate Stocker ahead of him at the moment, and would suspect that the coaching staff would do the same. So that means that Stocker will probably be guaranteed a spot in the team unless and until we have all our backline players available and Coffield has shown himself to be the genius that so many posters seem to believe him to be. And I'm happy about that: Stocker is a solid performer. The Blues were crazy to let him go.
The player for whom I feel sorry is Highmore. Like Bytel, he is an AFL-quality player, but there is no room for him in the first 23. But that's a good sign for us: top teams usually have a number of AFL-quality players in reserve.
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Re: Liam Stocker
Any player that finishes top 5 in your best and fairest surely deserves some recognition that he's got talent. Especially when it was a year we made finals and especially because he's young as far as games played.
Next you'll be telling us the jury is still out on Hunter Clark
https://www.saints.com.au/news/825201/s ... rker-award
Next you'll be telling us the jury is still out on Hunter Clark
https://www.saints.com.au/news/825201/s ... rker-award
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Re: Liam Stocker
From memory, the knock on Stocker was a perceived inability to build his tank. I think Carlton wanted to build him up as a midfielder and by all accounts Liam was doing the work but apparently he can’t build up the tank required for a permanent mid role…
Something like that
Certainly no knocks here so far. Kid has been outstanding
Something like that
Certainly no knocks here so far. Kid has been outstanding
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Re: Liam Stocker
Yep, jury’s still out on both IMO. I must be too harsh a judge, but I was very surprised by how Coffield went in that B and F.Scollop wrote: ↑Mon 24 Apr 2023 9:47am Any player that finishes top 5 in your best and fairest surely deserves some recognition that he's got talent. Especially when it was a year we made finals and especially because he's young as far as games played.
Next you'll be telling us the jury is still out on Hunter Clark
https://www.saints.com.au/news/825201/s ... rker-award
Clark is going ok IMO but there are dozens of better mids playing AFL.
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Re: Liam Stocker
I think Coffield needs an injury-free run at it, much as Hunter Clark is having this season. They are both worthy top 10 picks on talent IMO.meher baba wrote: ↑Mon 24 Apr 2023 10:33amYep, jury’s still out on both IMO. I must be too harsh a judge, but I was very surprised by how Coffield went in that B and F.Scollop wrote: ↑Mon 24 Apr 2023 9:47am Any player that finishes top 5 in your best and fairest surely deserves some recognition that he's got talent. Especially when it was a year we made finals and especially because he's young as far as games played.
Next you'll be telling us the jury is still out on Hunter Clark
https://www.saints.com.au/news/825201/s ... rker-award
Clark is going ok IMO but there are dozens of better mids playing AFL.
Which isn’t a knock on Stocker, who has been quite good,
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Coffield is all class
Injuries have got in the way
Automatic selection when fit
Ditto Clark
Injuries have got in the way
Automatic selection when fit
Ditto Clark
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Re: Liam Stocker
Coffield could eventually play Mason Woods' role I reckon, as long as his legs can hold him up.Scollop wrote: ↑Mon 24 Apr 2023 5:04am Stocker has been solid. Nothing brilliant. He is a tough cookie
Nick Coffield's best footy is probably a step above Stocker, but I don't think Coff can defend 1-1 as well as Stocker
I think Nick Coffield will need to show outstanding form at Sandringham to break back into this team.
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Re: Liam Stocker
It wasn’t that long ago that Clark was considered a better player than Sinclair.
Sinclair is arguably now the Saint’s best player.
Sinclair is arguably now the Saint’s best player.
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Re: Liam Stocker
Not sure Coffield has the athleticism of Wood to become a good wingman?
You need a mix of power, speed and endurance to do that role
Byrnes, Hill, DMac, Wood are top 5 runners at the club
All sub 9:30 3k runners which is elite
Why wouldn’t his legs hold up???
He’s had a reco - like numerous other players - which he’s rehabilitated-
You need a mix of power, speed and endurance to do that role
Byrnes, Hill, DMac, Wood are top 5 runners at the club
All sub 9:30 3k runners which is elite
Why wouldn’t his legs hold up???
He’s had a reco - like numerous other players - which he’s rehabilitated-
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Re: Liam Stocker
Webster is an automatic in when fit..Stocker & Nas are locks.meher baba wrote: ↑Mon 24 Apr 2023 9:18am If we had a fully-fit team, there would be quite a struggle for three backline places among five players: Webster, Paton, Coffield, Stocker and NWM (Howard, Wilkie, Battle and Sinclair are of course all sacrosanct).
To my way of thinking, Webster and NWM are ahead of the rest by a fair margin. So that leaves one spot available for one of Coffield, Paton and Stocker.
For me, Coffield has yet to prove that he's a first team player. He might very well be one, but - largely through circumstances beyond his control - he has never had the opportunity to demonstrate this, and I find it strange that so many posters seem to believe he will walk straight into the team when he is fit. I predict a prolonged spell at the Zebras to give him the opportunity to show what he can do.
Paton is a good player, but I'd rate Stocker ahead of him at the moment, and would suspect that the coaching staff would do the same. So that means that Stocker will probably be guaranteed a spot in the team unless and until we have all our backline players available and Coffield has shown himself to be the genius that so many posters seem to believe him to be. And I'm happy about that: Stocker is a solid performer. The Blues were crazy to let him go.
The player for whom I feel sorry is Highmore. Like Bytel, he is an AFL-quality player, but there is no room for him in the first 23. But that's a good sign for us: top teams usually have a number of AFL-quality players in reserve.
Coffield has missed a lot of footy so may run out of time this year.
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Re: Liam Stocker
Curly, your record has a bad scratch and the needle can't get out of the groove. Chuck it in the bin mate!
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Re: Liam Stocker
He hasn't played in 20 months BM. He has been injured 2 times since, without playing a game. You work it out.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 24 Apr 2023 5:49pm Not sure Coffield has the athleticism of Wood to become a good wingman?
You need a mix of power, speed and endurance to do that role
Byrnes, Hill, DMac, Wood are top 5 runners at the club
All sub 9:30 3k runners which is elite
Why wouldn’t his legs hold up???
He’s had a reco - like numerous other players - which he’s rehabilitated-
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Re: Liam Stocker
Work what out?
He’s had a reco - it’s been rehabbed - happen to loads of players - whom almost all of which come back from
He’s done a hammy - unrelated
Even more players do those
He’s 23yo and will come back fine, he’s not 32
He’s had a reco - it’s been rehabbed - happen to loads of players - whom almost all of which come back from
He’s done a hammy - unrelated
Even more players do those
He’s 23yo and will come back fine, he’s not 32
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Re: Liam Stocker
Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Mon 24 Apr 2023 7:35pmCurly, your record has a bad scratch and the needle can't get out of the groove. Chuck it in the bin mate!
Both are poor with the ball let’s not kid ourselves.
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Re: Liam Stocker
Not as bad as Gresham
Neither are Darren Jarman, nor are they Jack Danyels
Byrnes
Kicking is not bad, lacks a bit of penetration
His strength is running and ball winning
Paton is a bit slow with ball in hand
His strength is ability to shut down
Neither are Darren Jarman, nor are they Jack Danyels
Byrnes
Kicking is not bad, lacks a bit of penetration
His strength is running and ball winning
Paton is a bit slow with ball in hand
His strength is ability to shut down
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Re: Liam Stocker
I'm not sure what your saying BM.
Could he play wing?
Could he emulate the skills and attributes Wood does, well that Wood has suddenly done, after years of niggling injuries.
Can he run 14 k in 100 minutes?
I reckon 4 injuries ago he was headed that way.
Could he rebuild himself, could Sharman, could Wood.
Oh yeah.
The hamstring, the calf and the acl are intrinsically linked BM.
The calf is the muscle that puts strain on the acl.
He is 23 not 32. Reinjury in the next 2 years is a 50/50. Return to peak performance and elite competition is not expected but not impossible.
This kid has had a massive build up to a carer that hasnt taken off yet. And his preseasons haven't been good.
Shows a lot of promise in 2019, dislocated shoulder 2019.
Has a fantastic second season.
Beefs up between 20-21.
2021 Hamstrings play up mid season. Fails to meet standards of previous year. Seems to be struggling, has 2 'good games'.
2022 Injures ACL, does rehab,
2023 joins group, strains calf.
Dislocated shoulder, hamstring strains, ACL, and a 6 week calf strain.
If his legs hold him up, wasn't a random thought, he has history, but I'm not suggesting doom, no need to jump to conclusions.
Im hopeful he will recover, otherwise, why would I be suggesting, he could play the wing role.
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Re: Liam Stocker
Shows Carlton are dopy. Seriously how could they delist him. Fisher, Hollands, those ineffective small forwards, even Acres. Dopy but our good fortune.
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Re: Liam Stocker
One thing that Stocker has is that he like Webster he plays with a hard edge.
Stockers does everything well, and has good disposal.
There is a lot to like.
Stockers does everything well, and has good disposal.
There is a lot to like.
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