Growing up and the Saints coach's press conference

[saynta]

When you were growing up, if you were told by your dad or your teachers that you were no good and would never amount to anything, did you;

A) Go out of your way to prove him/them wrong, or

B) Accept that he/they are right and just give up.

I suspect that the saints players, or at least some of them chose option B).

Quote from presser:

"I just feel when our top flight (stars) aren't up and going there is not enough quality to step up and take the load off them, as harsh as that might seem."

I just read that quote from our mesiah out to my partner. She was just as unimpressed as I was.

As my mate said this morning, "Your coach has been really negative lately."

That negativity has obviously flowed on to the players.

[nostalgicsaint]

There is a level of irony in the thread title I appreciate

[saynta]

There is a level of irony in the thread title I appreciate

[Teflon]

Is this thread related to AFL professional footballers ?

[Sanctorum]

When you were growing up, if you were told by your dad or your teachers that you were no good and would never amount to anything, did you;

A) Go out of your way to prove him/them wrong, or

B) Accept that he/they are right and just give up.

I suspect that the saints players, or at least some of them chose option B).

Quote from presser:

"I just feel when our top flight (stars) aren't up and going there is not enough quality to step up and take the load off them, as harsh as that might seem."

I just read that quote from our mesiah out to my partner. She was just as unimpressed as I was.

As my mate said this morning, "Your coach has been really negative lately."

That negativity has obviously flowed on to the players.

For the life of me I can't see anything offensive or negative in that quote from Lyon.

He is simply stating the bleeding obvious and you'd have to be blind to the reality of the lack of depth in class on the list not to acknowledge that saynta.

What's the point of gilding the lily, it' as plain as daylight and I'd really be surprised if any player would find that offensive, they are professional sportsmen, not kids starting out in life.....

This reminds me of when I was at Dandenong High and failed my first attempt at Intermediate in 1955 and had to repeat in 1956. Did I feel humiliated? Not the least because I was only interested in having a good time; was aware that I'd been lazy, had not applied myself to do the work, got distracted by girls and sport (unsuccessful with girls but did alright in sport) and realised I had to reform. Got a massive blast from the old man when I brought my report card home too!

Did it scar me for life? Not a bit, and that's what's wrong with today's youth and society where no-one ever fails and you're not allowed to discipline kids lest you mortally damage their sense of self esteem. It's even got to he ludicrous situation where in kids team sports they don't keep scores lest they feel dejected if they lose.

Please forgive my rant but it feels good to get it off my chest.....

[SaintPav]

At least it’s not a cut and paste job or just mindless parroting of the coach.

[saynta]

The key is in your second last paragraph unfortunately.

But a friend of mine said to me this morning. " Lyon burnt you guys last time and should never have been reappointed. The saints have only themselves to blame."


I don't think you will find much sympathy for the saints outside of Moorabbin.

[The Fireman]

sympathy from outside of moorabbin i care very little about, i'm just glad we have a good coach.
I am so confident RTB will improve this team so I'm on board for the ride and will cop the negativity on here surrounding him with a grain of salt.

I'm a supporter.

We will Rise from the Ashes.

[ctqs]

What's wrong with putting players on notice?

[Scollop]

What's wrong with putting players on notice?

There's a difference between 'putting players on notice' and outright declaring they're not up to the quality required.

Saying 'there's not enough quality' is tainting some of the players and once again, it's not his problem when it comes to team performance. It's not HIS fault that we got pantsed.

For a select few he thinks that they are 'stars'. It's like he has blinkers on for the 'stars' but the rest of the list they're not worthy of playing AFL.

[saynta]

What's wrong with putting players on notice?

There's a difference between 'putting players on notice' and outright declaring they're not up to the quality required.

Saying 'there's not enough quality' is tainting some of the players and once again, it's not his problem when it comes to team performance. It's not HIS fault that we got pantsed.

For a select few he thinks that they are 'stars'. It's like he has blinkers on for the 'stars' but the rest of the list they're not worthy of playing AFL.

Well said. At least you get it.

[saynta]

sympathy from outside of moorabbin i care very little about, i'm just glad we have a good coach.
I am so confident RTB will improve this team so I'm on board for the ride and will cop the negativity on here surrounding him with a grain of salt.

I'm a supporter.

We will Rise from the Ashes.

I gave been a supporter for over 70 years and have seen both good and crap coaches. The really good ones win premierships, but we have had only one of those.

The current one has yet to prove he is anything above the ordinary, IMHFO, that is.

[The Fireman]

sympathy from outside of moorabbin i care very little about, i'm just glad we have a good coach.
I am so confident RTB will improve this team so I'm on board for the ride and will cop the negativity on here surrounding him with a grain of salt.

I'm a supporter.

We will Rise from the Ashes.

I gave been a supporter for over 70 years and have seen both good and crap coaches. The really good ones win premierships, but we have had only one of those.

The current one has yet to prove he is anything above the ordinary, IMHFO, that is.

yep really good ones win premierships so I guess you haven't been happy with 99% of our coaches? So as you said let's allow the one we have to prove himself

RTB fanboy

[The_Dud]

Some people and supporters are happy to continue on in mediocrity, others demand more.

[saynta]

sympathy from outside of moorabbin i care very little about, i'm just glad we have a good coach.
I am so confident RTB will improve this team so I'm on board for the ride and will cop the negativity on here surrounding him with a grain of salt.

I'm a supporter.

We will Rise from the Ashes.

I gave been a supporter for over 70 years and have seen both good and crap coaches. The really good ones win premierships, but we have had only one of those.

The current one has yet to prove he is anything above the ordinary, IMHFO, that is.

yep really good ones win premierships so I guess you haven't been happy with 99% of our coaches? So as you said let's allow the one we have to prove himself

RTB fanboy

He has already had a couple of chances but I for one would be happy to see just one cup.

Maybe then I will be a fan.

[Teflon]

At least it’s not a cut and paste job or just mindless parroting of the coach.

No but might better if it was…. it might have had some semblance of sense?

I guess some arent cut out for cut and paste and prefer to stalk and comment on other posters for fear of having to generate an opinion?

Keep hanging with your mates

[Teflon]

Some people and supporters are happy to continue on in mediocrity, others demand more.

Spot Dud
The ones demanding more are ok for Lyon to put this list on notice
The ones pining for mediocrity are looking for easy excuses …18 games in…sack the coach
Hilarious stuff

[Teflon]

What's wrong with putting players on notice?

Spot on 100%
Sone are a little soft me thinks…”.tewible Ross….how dare he put our players who’ve let us down for 10 years and sacked 2 coaches on notice for poor performance…he must go!”
Bedwetters.
Anyway good to see majority in this thread (which has gone down like a lead balloon) get it ….the small minority…ah they’ll jump on board next lot of wins….you heard boo from them rounds 1-6
Typical fair weather brigade

[Teflon]

sympathy from outside of moorabbin i care very little about, i'm just glad we have a good coach.
I am so confident RTB will improve this team so I'm on board for the ride and will cop the negativity on here surrounding him with a grain of salt.

I'm a supporter.

We will Rise from the Ashes.

Hear hear Firey - awesome post

[The Fireman]

sympathy from outside of moorabbin i care very little about, i'm just glad we have a good coach.
I am so confident RTB will improve this team so I'm on board for the ride and will cop the negativity on here surrounding him with a grain of salt.

I'm a supporter.

We will Rise from the Ashes.

I gave been a supporter for over 70 years and have seen both good and crap coaches. The really good ones win premierships, but we have had only one of those.

The current one has yet to prove he is anything above the ordinary, IMHFO, that is.

yep really good ones win premierships so I guess you haven't been happy with 99% of our coaches? So as you said let's allow the one we have to prove himself

RTB fanboy

He has already had a couple of chances but I for one would be happy to see just one cup.

Maybe then I will be a fan.

Hard to please

[saynta]

sympathy from outside of moorabbin i care very little about, i'm just glad we have a good coach.
I am so confident RTB will improve this team so I'm on board for the ride and will cop the negativity on here surrounding him with a grain of salt.

I'm a supporter.

We will Rise from the Ashes.

I gave been a supporter for over 70 years and have seen both good and crap coaches. The really good ones win premierships, but we have had only one of those.

The current one has yet to prove he is anything above the ordinary, IMHFO, that is.

yep really good ones win premierships so I guess you haven't been happy with 99% of our coaches? So as you said let's allow the one we have to prove himself

RTB fanboy

He has already had a couple of chances but I for one would be happy to see just one cup.

Maybe then I will be a fan.

Hard to please

yep, but conditioned to disappointment as a long suffering supporter.

[saynta]

What's wrong with putting players on notice?

Spot on 100%
Sone are a little soft me thinks…”.tewible Ross….how dare he put our players who’ve let us down for 10 years and sacked 2 coaches on notice for poor performance…he must go!”
Bedwetters.
Anyway good to see majority in this thread (which has gone down like a lead balloon) get it ….the small minority…ah they’ll jump on board next lot of wins….you heard boo from them rounds 1-6
Typical fair weather brigade

Your continual insults and name calling to the realists amongst us is like water off a duck's back.

Those supporters now expressing disquiet about our current coach are not in a small minority as claimed by you. Go have a look at facebook and other social media outlets. You will discover that your views are in the minority, thankfully.

Have a bex and a good lie down and give the insults a rest

[Teflon]

What's wrong with putting players on notice?

Spot on 100%
Sone are a little soft me thinks…”.tewible Ross….how dare he put our players who’ve let us down for 10 years and sacked 2 coaches on notice for poor performance…he must go!”
Bedwetters.
Anyway good to see majority in this thread (which has gone down like a lead balloon) get it ….the small minority…ah they’ll jump on board next lot of wins….you heard boo from them rounds 1-6
Typical fair weather brigade

Your continual insults and name calling to the realists amongst us is like water off a duck's back.

Those supporters now expressing disquiet about our current coach are not in a small minority as claimed by you. Go have a look at facebook and other social media outlets. You will discover that your views are in the minority, thankfully.

Have a bex and a good lie down and give the insults a rest

Who no did I insult?
Mane 1 bedwetter i mentioned?
I don’t get my opinions off Facebook

[saintkev]

When you were growing up, if you were told by your dad or your teachers that you were no good and would never amount to anything, did you;

A) Go out of your way to prove him/them wrong, or

B) Accept that he/they are right and just give up.

I suspect that the saints players, or at least some of them chose option B).

Quote from presser:

"I just feel when our top flight (stars) aren't up and going there is not enough quality to step up and take the load off them, as harsh as that might seem."

I just read that quote from our mesiah out to my partner. She was just as unimpressed as I was.

As my mate said this morning, "Your coach has been really negative lately."

That negativity has obviously flowed on to the players.

For the life of me I can't see anything offensive or negative in that quote from Lyon.

He is simply stating the bleeding obvious and you'd have to be blind to the reality of the lack of depth in class on the list not to acknowledge that saynta.

What's the point of gilding the lily, it' as plain as daylight and I'd really be surprised if any player would find that offensive, they are professional sportsmen, not kids starting out in life.....

This reminds me of when I was at Dandenong High and failed my first attempt at Intermediate in 1955 and had to repeat in 1956. Did I feel humiliated? Not the least because I was only interested in having a good time; was aware that I'd been lazy, had not applied myself to do the work, got distracted by girls and sport (unsuccessful with girls but did alright in sport) and realised I had to reform. Got a massive blast from the old man when I brought my report card home too!

Did it scar me for life? Not a bit, and that's what's wrong with today's youth and society where no-one ever fails and you're not allowed to discipline kids lest you mortally damage their sense of self esteem. It's even got to he ludicrous situation where in kids team sports they don't keep scores lest they feel dejected if they lose.

Please forgive my rant but it feels good to get it off my chest.....

Tip-toeing around the fragile egos of overpaid sportspeople has become par for the course. Some players need a Ken Sheldon blast like the one that he gave Devenport. It worked for Devenport who put in a blinder next quarter. There are some coasting players who need a metaphorical kick up the clacker.

[asiu]

i'm not sure taking the 'crowd' as your teacher is a very smart idea

hiding away in the middle of a mob
coz they've no balls to put on the line

anyways

yay farcebook 'n twatter