Players who can land a set shot
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Players who can land a set shot
Hats off in particular to Wilson, Hayes and Sinclair (who I would still prefer to see playing in the backline, but his two goals made up for it to some extent).
Did we miss Higgins at any stage last night?
Did we miss Higgins at any stage last night?
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Higgins and King are 50/50 bets even when 30m out directly in front
The only players I have a lot of faith with when going for set shots are Sharman, Butler, Wood, Cordy, and Sinclair
I cover my eyes when King, Owens, and Higgins are lining up
The only players I have a lot of faith with when going for set shots are Sharman, Butler, Wood, Cordy, and Sinclair
I cover my eyes when King, Owens, and Higgins are lining up
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
This season
King is 54% - 7 from 13 that scored
Higgins 62% - 13 from 21
Coops is 40% - 4 from 10
Butler - 100% - 1 from 1
Wood - 100% - 1 from 1
Cordy - 100% - 1 from 1
Sinclair 71% - 5 from 7
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Tim Membrey also gets most shots that are expected to be kicked. It would be good to compare his stats. He has endured some wayward periods in his career, but also some "sharpshooter" periods.
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Def missed Higgins...he could've banged 2-3 through and that allowed Sinclair to add to the total.meher baba wrote: ↑Sun 05 May 2024 8:21am Hats off in particular to Wilson, Hayes and Sinclair (who I would still prefer to see playing in the backline, but his two goals made up for it to some extent).
Did we miss Higgins at any stage last night?
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
This year Members is travelling at 72% 13 from 18 - Highest goal tally and most accurate for anyone more than 1 goal.
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
I reckon he would have gotten the shots that Wilson and Hastie got. Would he have converted as many as they did? Some days he would.SAINT-LEE wrote: ↑Sun 05 May 2024 11:49amDef missed Higgins...he could've banged 2-3 through and that allowed Sinclair to add to the total.meher baba wrote: ↑Sun 05 May 2024 8:21am Hats off in particular to Wilson, Hayes and Sinclair (who I would still prefer to see playing in the backline, but his two goals made up for it to some extent).
Did we miss Higgins at any stage last night?
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
It's a good question.meher baba wrote: ↑Sun 05 May 2024 1:33pm I reckon he would have gotten the shots that Wilson and Hastie got. Would he have converted as many as they did? Some days he would.
Are those goals 'team goals' that Higgins just gets on the end of and gets his name against, or are they genuinely created by Higgins?
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Are there many individual goals - or is it a team effort my young Padawan?Otiman wrote: ↑Sun 05 May 2024 3:40pmIt's a good question.meher baba wrote: ↑Sun 05 May 2024 1:33pm I reckon he would have gotten the shots that Wilson and Hastie got. Would he have converted as many as they did? Some days he would.
Are those goals 'team goals' that Higgins just gets on the end of and gets his name against, or are they genuinely created by Higgins?
I know what you mean - but the instances of individual brilliance making 'something from nothing' are few and far between.
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
One of Membrey's wayward periods was when Ben Dixon was hired as goal missing coach, i don't know what dicko changed with
Membrey's set shot technique, i just know it failed big time.
Saints looking like a bottom 4 team in 2024.
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Dicko is a clown in my humble opinion.
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Everyone knows the ball carries further when playing at Marvel. We take a lot of marks around the 50 metre area and when that occurs the opposition have usually flooded back to fill most holes.
If our players cant spot up a decent lead eg Hayes I would like to see our capable players back themselves and have a shot on goals. We seem so concerned with manufacturing goals the players are reticent to back themselves.
Phillipou is the classic who has gone away from his natutal game of having a ping. He stands and always looks to give it off when he has plenty of time to have a shot. I hate seeing players' natural flare stymied by 'over coaching'. Thats something that McRae does well with the Pies he backs his players to have a go and 9 times out of 10 it works.
The thing with constantly bombing it to the top of square becomes common knowledge and teams just set up to intercept the ball there. Honestly King and co would mark 10% of long bombs, but if we mix it up with having a shot and.looking for leads the opposition just cant all fold back which would make the long bomb more effective when used.
Having said the above I really dont think Harvey is the right guy to be our forward line coach. He was never good around goals and has that dour structured personality which holds our blokes back from expressing themselves on the field. Harvey nearly always looked to give it off and that is showing in his coaching.
If our players cant spot up a decent lead eg Hayes I would like to see our capable players back themselves and have a shot on goals. We seem so concerned with manufacturing goals the players are reticent to back themselves.
Phillipou is the classic who has gone away from his natutal game of having a ping. He stands and always looks to give it off when he has plenty of time to have a shot. I hate seeing players' natural flare stymied by 'over coaching'. Thats something that McRae does well with the Pies he backs his players to have a go and 9 times out of 10 it works.
The thing with constantly bombing it to the top of square becomes common knowledge and teams just set up to intercept the ball there. Honestly King and co would mark 10% of long bombs, but if we mix it up with having a shot and.looking for leads the opposition just cant all fold back which would make the long bomb more effective when used.
Having said the above I really dont think Harvey is the right guy to be our forward line coach. He was never good around goals and has that dour structured personality which holds our blokes back from expressing themselves on the field. Harvey nearly always looked to give it off and that is showing in his coaching.
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Comparison with last yearSainter_Dad wrote: ↑Sun 05 May 2024 10:29amThis season
King is 54% - 7 from 13 that scored
Higgins 62% - 13 from 21
Coops is 40% - 4 from 10
Butler - 100% - 1 from 1
Wood - 100% - 1 from 1
Cordy - 100% - 1 from 1
Sinclair 71% - 5 from 7
This vs last
Better
Higgins 56.5% vs 43.4%
Membrey 56.5% vs 37.5%
Worse
King 43.8% vs 54.9%
Sharman 40.0% vs 65.2%
Owens 41.2% vs 51.0%
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Not a fair comparison imo
Sharman was playing as a wingman and a defender this year. Pretty difficult having to be a fill in utility and then be expected to run the length of the ground and take set shots in the forward line.
Sharman stood up in a final. That's something that is undeniable
We'd be a different outfit if Sharman was a permanent forward. Problem right now is that he has to wait for Membrey to retire or Owens to become a permanent midfielder
Membrey isn't contracted beyond this year
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Wasn't a dig at Sharman at all, I am a fan of him, and I agree, but I'm only presenting the shots he's taken, same as any other player.Scollop wrote: ↑Mon 06 May 2024 4:29pmNot a fair comparison imo
Sharman was playing as a wingman and a defender this year. Pretty difficult having to be a fill in utility and then be expected to run the length of the ground and take set shots in the forward line.
Sharman stood up in a final. That's something that is undeniable
We'd be a different outfit if Sharman was a permanent forward. Problem right now is that he has to wait for Membrey to retire or Owens to become a permanent midfielder
Membrey isn't contracted beyond this year
Just included those who has more than 10 shots this year and last (so excludes Wilson)
I missed a couple
This vs last
Worse
Caminiti 46.7% vs 54.3%
Hill 45.5% vs 46.2%
Though notably Hill is having considerably more shots per game this year in a more permanent forward role (1.4 shots per game vs 0.6 last year)
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Goal percentage is not on itself a great indicator
Higgins has kicked at least 8 walk in goals from the goal square
He also kicked one out of his arse
But he’s missed a number of simple set shots from 30
Him and Owens are horrible kicks in general and Ryan Byrnes
Higgins has kicked at least 8 walk in goals from the goal square
He also kicked one out of his arse
But he’s missed a number of simple set shots from 30
Him and Owens are horrible kicks in general and Ryan Byrnes
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Yeah based on xScore rating which takes into account the expected score above or below average based on the shot, Higgins is very good from general play (out his arse) at +0.95 (this is good for 2nd in the league behind Bolton) and very bad from set shot at -0.80.
Only Caminiti and Owens are lower in terms of xScore from set shot at -0.82 and -1.47 respectively, though many of the ones I listed aren't covered since I think you need a minimum of 10 shots from general play or set shot to have a rating.
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Mitchito has lost confidence in his goal kicking. It will return.
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
Owens and Higgins are technically poor kicks - they will never be reliable
Byrnes is a scrubber kick - can’t kick over a jam jar
Sharman is a beautiful kick - but lost a bit of confidence
Membrey has a beautiful kicking action - King also kicks it well, but his nervousness is obvious
Byrnes is a scrubber kick - can’t kick over a jam jar
Sharman is a beautiful kick - but lost a bit of confidence
Membrey has a beautiful kicking action - King also kicks it well, but his nervousness is obvious
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Re: Players who can land a set shot
His nervousness? Can hardly bare to watch.
Shame nervousness can't be transferred completely to us supporters, doesn't seem fair he and we have to worry.
Used to get nervous about Jack H but have lowered expectations on his set shots to zero so a point is now a good result nervous wise.