if- as predicted $$ loss is little

saintbrat · Post: # 683647Post **saintbrat** » Tue 09 Dec 2008 6:13pm

we may be doing well if the financial deficit is only around 200,000
losses
Pies- 4 mill
Port -1.4 mill
Lions- 2 mill
melbourne -The club reported a loss of $549,000, reined in by $2.5 million in pledges ( + 2 mill in special assistance.
Swans - $797,520

profit
tigers 395,000
hawks 4 mill
Blues 1.6 mill
essendon 755,000
eagles- 4.6 mill-
cats -1.2 million
Crows - just $1,675,376, reduced to $88,405

with AFL assist
roos + 1 mill

still to report-
Saints- march,
freo -

bobmurray · Post: # 683652Post **bobmurray** » Tue 09 Dec 2008 6:25pm

The "centrelink"clubs shouldn't be able to announce a profit because it's usually only occurred via the AFL's welfare policy.....

Reasonable result for the Saints but it always looks better if your club is profitable,especially if it has achieved the result through it's own means....

Mr Magic · Post: # 683658Post **Mr Magic** » Tue 09 Dec 2008 6:41pm

Lions announced a $2 Million + loss

As for the Saints, as I've said in other threads, I'd like to have a good look at the results because I think there is a fair bit of 'creative accounting' going on.

chook23 · Post: # 683659Post **chook23** » Tue 09 Dec 2008 6:44pm

Mr Magic wrote:Lions announced a $2 Million + loss

As for the Saints, as I've said in other threads, I'd like to have a good look at the results because I think there is a fair bit of 'creative accounting' going on.

you left the bit out about $127,000 trading profit.........on the year

write down on investments

stevos2009 · Thu 11 Dec 2008 10:15am

another saints loss here

saintbrat · Post: # 684927Post **saintbrat** » Fri 12 Dec 2008 5:37pm

Swans a loss- around $750,000-- but detail shows closer to 800,000

saintbrat · Post: # 688833Post **saintbrat** » Tue 23 Dec 2008 5:08pm

eagles haven't suffered.
4.6 mill profit...

VietNam_Saint · Tue 23 Dec 2008 5:31pm

Profitable business ___________ in the West ,, and with a pharmacist as the coach no less.

Please , feel free to fill in the blank.

saintspremiers · Tue 23 Dec 2008 6:27pm

WHY can't we report out P&L now like nearly all the other clubs?

Do we have something to hide Archie?

Don't give me the BS about auditing and waiting until the AGM....that's all a smokescreen.

Give prospective sponsors some idea of what's happening like the rest of the clubs have....oh, and I forgot the fans also

saintly · Post: # 688940Post **saintly** » Wed 24 Dec 2008 8:29am

saintspremiers wrote:WHY can't we report out P&L now like nearly all the other clubs?

Do we have something to hide Archie?

Don't give me the BS about auditing and waiting until the AGM....that's all a smokescreen.

Give prospective sponsors some idea of what's happening like the rest of the clubs have....oh, and I forgot the fans also

someone asked on arsk archie why wait till march. and the answer was all about auditing, things to do etc. but i still don't get it, why we have to wait until march. other clubs don't.

saintbrat · Post: # 688943Post **saintbrat** » Wed 24 Dec 2008 8:36am

Eagles profit has been edited-- only 3 mill- after they gave their 1 Mill to the WAFL.

re AGM-- someone may be able to let me know the legalities
But given that the Saints AGM has been the beginning of the year- FEB March- for as long as I have been involved
is there a 12 month- year link? would it need an amemdment to club regulations to move it?
at what point can you decided when an AGM and your annual accounting takes place.

Both Archie and Greg have intimated as early as Aug that there would be a loss for this year.

saintspremiers · Wed 24 Dec 2008 9:15am

saintbrat wrote:Eagles profit has been edited-- only 3 mill- after they gave their 1 Mill to the WAFL.

re AGM-- someone may be able to let me know the legalities
But given that the Saints AGM has been the beginning of the year- FEB March- for as long as I have been involved
is there a 12 month- year link? would it need an amemdment to club regulations to move it?
at what point can you decied when an AGM and your anual accounting takes place.

Both Archie and Greg have intimated as early as Aug that there would be a loss for this year.

OK, so they know there will be a loss.

FFS just report it now then?!

They are full of crap, it surely can be done now.

UNLESS our Financial Year is not October to September per AFL standards of course!

saintbrat · Post: # 688976Post **saintbrat** » Wed 24 Dec 2008 11:58am

saintspremiers wrote:
UNLESS our Financial Year is not October to September per AFL standards of course!

it may not, be which is why I asked- as there may be some who have more of an idea of when the Saints financial statements run to...

saintdooley · Wed 24 Dec 2008 3:47pm

saintbrat wrote:eagles haven't suffered.
4.6 mill profit...

how on earth do they get that much? they have 40,000 members but lets not forget that the day of the Eagles v Saints game at Subi there were people selling their memberships outside the ground...and even though they have that many members they only get aprox 33,000 people to their home games and a few thousand extra to the derby's.

Mr Magic · Post: # 689020Post **Mr Magic** » Wed 24 Dec 2008 4:14pm

saintdooley wrote:
saintbrat wrote:eagles haven't suffered.
4.6 mill profit...
how on earth do they get that much? they have 40,000 members but lets not forget that the day of the Eagles v Saints game at Subi there were people selling their memberships outside the ground...and even though they have that many members they only get aprox 33,000 people to their home games and a few thousand extra to the derby's.

I understand that not only do they have 40+k members, but most have purchased reserve seats to ensure they get to see the games.
Couple that with a 2 team town (WCE and Freo) and the bargaining power of the WAFL re their stadium deal, it's not hard to see how they make the money they do, and will continue to do so.

saintbrat · Post: # 689022Post **saintbrat** » Wed 24 Dec 2008 4:19pm

saintdooley wrote:
saintbrat wrote:eagles haven't suffered.
4.6 mill profit...
how on earth do they get that much? they have 40,000 members but lets not forget that the day of the Eagles v Saints game at s.

eagles memberships have a reserved seat attached- so they be guarenteed access if they wish
they are capped at>>>>>>>> not sure but thinkng 45,000
there is a waiting list of up to 2 years to get a membership
you can buy an associated membership with no games attached.

( crows are similiar)

even though they hold a membership they don't always attend
- I' not sure if they can do as Geelong members can now do and alertt the club if they are not attending and the seat can then be resold-

given the limited access to WA games I think not.

saint66au · Post: # 689037Post **saint66au** » Wed 24 Dec 2008 5:08pm

Mr Magic wrote:
saintdooley wrote:
saintbrat wrote:eagles haven't suffered.
4.6 mill profit...
how on earth do they get that much? they have 40,000 members but lets not forget that the day of the Eagles v Saints game at Subi there were people selling their memberships outside the ground...and even though they have that many members they only get aprox 33,000 people to their home games and a few thousand extra to the derby's.
I understand that not only do they have 40+k members, but most have purchased reserve seats to ensure they get to see the games.
Couple that with a 2 team town (WCE and Freo) and the bargaining power of the WAFL re their stadium deal, it's not hard to see how they make the money they do, and will continue to do so.

Plus every cent of corporate cash they make goes straight to the Club..theres no box hire or such....WCE are Subi's cash cow and they treat them like Gods accordingly

rogerwa · Post: # 689040Post **rogerwa** » Wed 24 Dec 2008 5:46pm

the reason the wafl (commission) did not want the govenment to build a new stadium in a different location even though the other 2 locations proposed chyt all over subiaco

at subi they hold all the adverising/signage rights,the catering rights,the grog rights,the corporate rights,hire rights when they flog it off to soccer or rugby etc etc

the bloody eagles & dockers get 12 mill bucks a yr from playing at subi yet from memory we get about 6 or 7 mill at the dome

ya multiply that figure over & over yr after yr & its not hard to see whats going to happen to the small fry in the future ie foots,north,melb & us