St Kilda's 2010 List after the 2009 National Draft

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ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran - inside list)
3. Blake, Jason
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Johnson, Will
20. Jones, Clinton
21. King, Steven
22. Koschitzke, Justin
23. Lovett, Andrew
24. Lynch, Tom
25. McEvoy, Ben
26. McQualter, Andrew
27. Miles, Luke
28. Milne, Stephen
29. Montagna, Leigh
30. Pattison, Adam
31. Peake, Brett
32. Ray, Farren
33. Riewoldt, Nick
34. Schneider, Adam
35. Smith, Alistair
36. Smith, Jesse
37. Stanley, Rhys
38. Steven, Jack
39. Winmar Nicholas
40. (Disallowed due to Baker being inside the list)

Rookie list
(1 nominated rookie allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
1. Gaertner, Steven (2nd year rookie)
2. McGrath, Blake (2nd year former NSW scholarship)
3. Simpkin, Tom (2nd year rookie)
4. Walsh, Tommy (pre-selected international rookie) (rookie pick 84)
5. Rookie pick 20
6. Rookie pick 36
7. Rockie piack 52
8. Rookie pick 68 (allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
9. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 100) Duncan, Josh (Pennant Hills NSW )
10. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 116) Widner, Ted (Pennant Hills NSW)

ADDITIONS
Exchange period: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
International rookie selection: Tommy Walsh (County Kerry, Ireland)
Scholarship elevation: Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - rookie list, Ted Widner (Pennant Hills) - rookie list
2009 National draft selections: Will Johnson (Sandringham VFL), Adam Pattison (Richmond), Jesse Smith (North Melbourne), Nicholas Winmar (Scarborough)
Rookie draft selections: 5 TBA

DELETIONS
Retired: Jarryd Allen, Max Hudghton (veteran - outside list)
Exchange period: Xavier Clarke (Brisbane Lions)
Delisted: Luke Ball (rat deserting his team mates), Colm Begley, Eljay Connors, Leigh Fisher, Matt Maguire, Sam McGarry (rookie), Khan Haretuku (rookie), Brad Howard (rookie), Ross Tungatulum (rookie)

[saintly]

ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran - inside list)
3. Blake, Jason
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Johnson, Will
20. Jones, Clinton
21. King, Steven
22. Koschitzke, Justin
23. Lovett, Andrew
24. Lynch, Tom
25. McEvoy, Ben
26. McQualter, Andrew
27. Miles, Luke
28. Milne, Stephen
29. Montagna, Leigh
30. Pattison, Adam
31. Peake, Brett
32. Ray, Farren
33. Riewoldt, Nick
34. Schneider, Adam
35. Smith, Alistair
36. Smith, Jesse
37. Stanley, Rhys
38. Steven, Jack
39. Winmar Nicholas
40. (Disallowed due to Baker being inside the list)

Rookie list
(1 nominated rookie allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
1. Gaertner, Steven (2nd year rookie)
2. McGrath, Blake (2nd year former NSW scholarship)
3. Simpkin, Tom (2nd year rookie)
4. Walsh, Tommy (pre-selected international rookie) (rookie pick 84)
5. Rookie pick 20
6. Rookie pick 36
7. Rockie piack 52
8. Rookie pick 68 (allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
9. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 100) Duncan, Josh (Pennant Hills NSW )
10. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 116) Widner, Ted (Pennant Hills NSW)

ADDITIONS
Exchange period: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
International rookie selection: Tommy Walsh (County Kerry, Ireland)
Scholarship elevation: Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - rookie list, Ted Widner (Pennant Hills) - rookie list
2009 National draft selections: Will Johnson (Sandringham VFL), Adam Pattison (Richmond), Jesse Smith (North Melbourne), Nicholas Winmar (Scarborough)
Rookie draft selections: 5 TBA

DELETIONS
Retired: Jarryd Allen, Max Hudghton (veteran - outside list)
Exchange period: Xavier Clarke (Brisbane Lions)
Delisted: Luke Ball (rat deserting his team mates), Colm Begley, Eljay Connors, Leigh Fisher, Matt Maguire, Sam McGarry (rookie), Khan Haretuku (rookie), Brad Howard (rookie), Ross Tungatulum (rookie)

are the 2 nsw Scholarship players elevated to the rookie list? has this been made official as yet? Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - Ted Widner (Pennant Hills)

[TassieJones]

hate to say it, but you'd have to say our list is weaker on paper this year than last.

[borderbarry]

Dont know if I agree with you Tassie.

[Solar]

hate to say it, but you'd have to say our list is weaker on paper this year than last.

huh?

Our last 2 crops of youngsters are a year older, armo and steven have enough exeperience to make the next step. We have upgraded from ball to lovett and lost a couple of B grades injured players to B grade players.

Unless our squad fall in an injury heap it will be very similar to last years team that finished top.

[Batnoe]

hate to say it, but you'd have to say our list is weaker on paper this year than last.

Why? Did you watch footy this year?

Players who are gone that played this year!!- Luke Ball, Max Hudghton, one retired and one scum

Traded 1 player and delisted another that are injury riddled and didnt play a game in X and Maguire ( so what did we lose here)

Others gone, L Fisher (0 games) E Connors (0 games) C Begley (1 game)

Plus 4 rookies


We then get- Lovett, on his day is fantastic and will continue under a great coach, Peake shows promise and has speed

Jesse Smith has some question marks over his fitness but we all know he is capable of being one of the most dominant players if he can

Pattison- we are very short on ruckmen (excuse pun) so he adds depth, if King and Gardi go down then we only have McEvoy and Stanley or we have to throw Kosi which messes our fwds structure

Tommy Walsh- we know he is the irish equivlalent of Franklin (lets hope he prove this)

Plus a defender that can play next year and Nick Winmar, someone who is a great kick


Where are we behind? we are miles in front... we have topped up to get a flag in a weak draft.. why get kids when they may not be any good, at least we know where Smith and Pattison are

Great recruiting year under the circumstances- yeah Ball was a good player, but he really did cost a lot for what he offered to the club and hasnt been the same for 3 years

[st1]

ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran - inside list)
3. Blake, Jason
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Johnson, Will
20. Jones, Clinton
21. King, Steven
22. Koschitzke, Justin
23. Lovett, Andrew
24. Lynch, Tom
25. McEvoy, Ben
26. McQualter, Andrew
27. Miles, Luke
28. Milne, Stephen
29. Montagna, Leigh
30. Pattison, Adam
31. Peake, Brett
32. Ray, Farren
33. Riewoldt, Nick
34. Schneider, Adam
35. Smith, Alistair
36. Smith, Jesse
37. Stanley, Rhys
38. Steven, Jack
39. Winmar Nicholas
40. (Disallowed due to Baker being inside the list)

Rookie list
(1 nominated rookie allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
1. Gaertner, Steven (2nd year rookie)
2. McGrath, Blake (2nd year former NSW scholarship)
3. Simpkin, Tom (2nd year rookie)
4. Walsh, Tommy (pre-selected international rookie) (rookie pick 84)
5. Rookie pick 20
6. Rookie pick 36
7. Rockie piack 52
8. Rookie pick 68 (allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
9. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 100) Duncan, Josh (Pennant Hills NSW )
10. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 116) Widner, Ted (Pennant Hills NSW)

ADDITIONS
Exchange period: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
International rookie selection: Tommy Walsh (County Kerry, Ireland)
Scholarship elevation: Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - rookie list, Ted Widner (Pennant Hills) - rookie list
2009 National draft selections: Will Johnson (Sandringham VFL), Adam Pattison (Richmond), Jesse Smith (North Melbourne), Nicholas Winmar (Scarborough)
Rookie draft selections: 5 TBA

DELETIONS
Retired: Jarryd Allen, Max Hudghton (veteran - outside list)
Exchange period: Xavier Clarke (Brisbane Lions)
Delisted: Luke Ball (rat deserting his team mates), Colm Begley, Eljay Connors, Leigh Fisher, Matt Maguire, Sam McGarry (rookie), Khan Haretuku (rookie), Brad Howard (rookie), Ross Tungatulum (rookie)

are the 2 nsw Scholarship players elevated to the rookie list? has this been made official as yet? Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - Ted Widner (Pennant Hills)

Both nsw boys i have been told are not required would have thought duncan was a cert and widmer a shot but we elected to draft has beens like smith

[bergholt]

Assuming we take another five young rookies on 0 games, here's the demographics compared for 2010 compared to 2009.

Age at start of season:

< 20: 15 (14)
20-22: 5 (5)
22-24: 7 (9)
24-26: 6 (10) ***
26-28: 9 (3) ***
28-30: 2 (5)
30+: 4 (2)

The main difference is that the players who were in the 24-26 bracket are now in the 26-28 bracket. 22-28 is the prime of most players' careers, so for these guys the clock is rapidly ticking towards twilight.

But last year the big lump was 22-26, this year it's 22-28. We've replenished the bottom end of that large bracket where players are at their best. So from this point of view the numbers look good.

Games played:

0-9 games: 18 (17)
10-49 games: 7 (10)
50-99 games: 8 (7)
100-149 games: 7 (8)
150-200 games: 6 (4)
200+ games: 2 (2)

Not much of a change here. We have fewer players in the 10-49 bracket, so we're really looking for players to push into that hole from the big 0-9 group. Jack Steven, obviously. Miles is on his last chance. Lynch is the other most likely.

[BringBackMadDog]

ST KILDA
1. Armitage, David
2. Baker, Steven (veteran - inside list)
3. Blake, Jason
4. Cahill, Paul
5. Clarke, Raphael
6. Dal Santo, Nick
7. Dawson, Zac
8. Dempster, Sean
9. Eddy, Robert
10. Fisher, Sam
11. Gardiner, Michael
12. Geary, Jarryn
13. Gilbert, Sam
14. Goddard, Brendon
15. Gram, Jason
16. Gwilt, James
17. Hayes, Lenny (veteran - outside list)
18. Heyne, Nick
19. Johnson, Will
20. Jones, Clinton
21. King, Steven
22. Koschitzke, Justin
23. Lovett, Andrew
24. Lynch, Tom
25. McEvoy, Ben
26. McQualter, Andrew
27. Miles, Luke
28. Milne, Stephen
29. Montagna, Leigh
30. Pattison, Adam
31. Peake, Brett
32. Ray, Farren
33. Riewoldt, Nick
34. Schneider, Adam
35. Smith, Alistair
36. Smith, Jesse
37. Stanley, Rhys
38. Steven, Jack
39. Winmar Nicholas
40. (Disallowed due to Baker being inside the list)

Rookie list
(1 nominated rookie allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
1. Gaertner, Steven (2nd year rookie)
2. McGrath, Blake (2nd year former NSW scholarship)
3. Simpkin, Tom (2nd year rookie)
4. Walsh, Tommy (pre-selected international rookie) (rookie pick 84)
5. Rookie pick 20
6. Rookie pick 36
7. Rockie piack 52
8. Rookie pick 68 (allowed due to Baker being inside the list)
9. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 100) Duncan, Josh (Pennant Hills NSW )
10. (can only be used for pre-selected former NSW scholarship) (rookie pick 116) Widner, Ted (Pennant Hills NSW)

ADDITIONS
Exchange period: Andrew Lovett (Essendon), Brett Peake (Fremantle)
Rookie elevation: Zac Dawson, Luke Miles
International rookie selection: Tommy Walsh (County Kerry, Ireland)
Scholarship elevation: Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - rookie list, Ted Widner (Pennant Hills) - rookie list
2009 National draft selections: Will Johnson (Sandringham VFL), Adam Pattison (Richmond), Jesse Smith (North Melbourne), Nicholas Winmar (Scarborough)
Rookie draft selections: 5 TBA

DELETIONS
Retired: Jarryd Allen, Max Hudghton (veteran - outside list)
Exchange period: Xavier Clarke (Brisbane Lions)
Delisted: Luke Ball (rat deserting his team mates), Colm Begley, Eljay Connors, Leigh Fisher, Matt Maguire, Sam McGarry (rookie), Khan Haretuku (rookie), Brad Howard (rookie), Ross Tungatulum (rookie)

are the 2 nsw Scholarship players elevated to the rookie list? has this been made official as yet? Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - Ted Widner (Pennant Hills)

Both nsw boys i have been told are not required would have thought duncan was a cert and widmer a shot but we elected to draft has beens like smith

Has beens like Smith??? You idiot, he's 23 years old and played 27 games. For gods sake most other professional sports around the world dont even recruit players until they are at least 21 or 22 years old, yet we call them has beens, GET A CLUE!!!

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are the 2 nsw Scholarship players elevated to the rookie list? has this been made official as yet? Josh Duncan (Pennant Hills) - Ted Widner (Pennant Hills)

Not there yet.
The club has until 2PM 1 December to pre-select them ahead of the rookie draft.
The club has to decide whether their talent is greater than their cost - salary and overheads.

The same date applies to David Moran (Irish lad training with the Saints)although he would be pre-selected into a normal rookie slot, whereas the scholarship boys would fill additional slots reserved only for former scholarship holders.

So far all clubs have only pre-selected 4 former NSW scholarship holders ahead of this year's rookie draft.

But all clubs have until Tuesday to decide.
All clubs make their final delistings by Wednesday's List Lodgement No3.