Lyon Promises Exciting Footy

shmic_s · Post: # 1025600Post **shmic_s** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 4:25pm

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/l ... 186xk.html

St Kilda is set to change from the dour unit that locked down opposing teams in recent years, according to coach Ross Lyon.

Bring on 2011 I say.

SainterK · Post: # 1025611Post **SainterK** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 5:12pm

+1, if it is to be more like the stuff against Richmond in Rd21, it was incredibly exciting....

Though I honestly learned to enjoy a bit of 'dour' football, especially walking away with more wins than losses.

clarky449 · Post: # 1025613Post **clarky449** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 5:16pm

As long as it is winning football i dont care what style we play.

stinger · Post: # 1025615Post **stinger** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 5:28pm

clarky449 wrote:As long as it is winning football i dont care what style we play.

wanna be better than the sh!t they showed in gf 2 ffs....

saintbrat · Post: # 1025616Post **saintbrat** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 5:29pm

plugger66 · Post: # 1025617Post **plugger66** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 5:35pm

stinger wrote:
clarky449 wrote:As long as it is winning football i dont care what style we play.

wanna be better than the sh!t they showed in gf 2 ffs....

That is what confuses me. People said the same thing to me last Sunday at a party and my response was that if we lost the first GF by a point we would have said what a great game by both teams. I think people need to completely forget the footy in the second GF as we were obviously shot to pieces and just remember the style and great game that was the first GF.

SaintSimmo · Wed 24 Nov 2010 5:36pm

saintbrat wrote:

as for dean polo....well thats a different story

shmic_s · Post: # 1025621Post **shmic_s** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 5:46pm

SaintSimmo wrote:
saintbrat wrote:
as for dean polo....well thats a different story

Determined?!

SainterK · Post: # 1025624Post **SainterK** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 6:00pm

Ross has lost weight I reckon...

Sainterman · Wed 24 Nov 2010 6:02pm

plugger66 wrote:
stinger wrote:
clarky449 wrote:As long as it is winning football i dont care what style we play.

wanna be better than the sh!t they showed in gf 2 ffs....
That is what confuses me. People said the same thing to me last Sunday at a party and my response was that if we lost the first GF by a point we would have said what a great game by both teams. I think people need to completely forget the footy in the second GF as we were obviously shot to pieces and just remember the style and great game that was the first GF.

Spot on Plugger. I have heard the same. People have conveniently forgotten watching what was one of the best grand finals of all time in GF1. We were certainly shot to pieces for game 2, somewhat mentally but definitely physically.

I think we will look to attack more when we have the momentum, but I think when required we will still lock things down. If we can find a balance on this front it will be great to watch. I still think we have the cattle, and as much as this season has hurt I am starting to get a little more excited about it all again!

I wonder, if (and when) it takes the first 8 weeks to settle our style down and start looking like we are a good side again, those posters who have been calling for change will start to whinge again...?

skeptic · Post: # 1025641Post **skeptic** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 8:07pm

i just hope we play more attacking football

i still reckon the wworst thing that happened to us in the 1st G/F was actually hitting the front when we did.

In the 2nd half collingwood never looked like scoring until we hit the front and then started playing keepings off, defensive footy. C'wood then scored twice in what was a few minutes, and when they hit the front we went on the offensive again.
1 more minute and we would have had it

saintsRrising · Wed 24 Nov 2010 9:12pm

plugger66 wrote:

That is what confuses me. People said the same thing to me last Sunday at a party and my response was that if we lost the first GF by a point we would have said what a great game by both teams. I think people need to completely forget the footy in the second GF as we were obviously shot to pieces and just remember the style and great game that was the first GF.

Fully agree.

joffaboy · Post: # 1025662Post **joffaboy** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 9:44pm

saintsRrising wrote:
plugger66 wrote:

That is what confuses me. People said the same thing to me last Sunday at a party and my response was that if we lost the first GF by a point we would have said what a great game by both teams. I think people need to completely forget the footy in the second GF as we were obviously shot to pieces and just remember the style and great game that was the first GF.
Fully agree.

Yup agree fully with this.

saintsRrising · Wed 24 Nov 2010 9:54pm

2010 was a year when so many many things went against the Saints.

But yet we almost won the flag.

Winning in 2011 will be tough......but we are in with a good chance.

Roll on 2011.

dcstkfc · Post: # 1025675Post **dcstkfc** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 10:28pm

I hope we don't throw away our defensive approach which has worked very well, just learn how to be more spontaneous going forward.

It's a fine balance.

St Lenny · Post: # 1025693Post **St Lenny** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 11:16pm

Have to admit, I love strangeling the life out of another side

But will be very happy to kick more goals.

Dr Spaceman · Wed 24 Nov 2010 11:25pm

dcstkfc wrote:I hope we don't throw away our defensive approach which has worked very well, just learn how to be more spontaneous going forward.

It's a fine balance.

It is a balancing act but if anyone can do it Ross is the man.

stinger · Post: # 1025697Post **stinger** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 11:28pm

okay.....i will be more specific.....2 grand final.....8 quarters......we played like headless unthinking chooks in 5 out of the 8 quarters.....and you lot should stop making excuses for the dribble the boys dished up in the first half of the 1st grand final and for 3 out of 4 quarters in the second one.....the filth simply outplayed us the second time...yeah...we were shot....why weren't they????

bigcarl · Post: # 1025700Post **bigcarl** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 11:36pm

plugger66 wrote:just remember the style and great game that was the first GF.

We were 22 points down at half time and lucky to get back into it.

Standing still and not evolving a more attacking game with the emphasis on scoreboard pressure will not cut it, I am afraid.

Of course we still need to defend well, that goes without saying, but I'm looking forward to seeing the coach deliver on his words of today.

Foz · Post: # 1025706Post **Foz** » Wed 24 Nov 2010 11:51pm

I agree with Stinger - in summary of the 2 GF's we were outplayed. In GF2 totally. Utterly. No excuses apart from lack of midfield and hardness was exposed.

Just a quick look at inside 50's in both GF's tells a leading tale.

I'd call Gf1 a classic result but not a classic game. I'll forget GF2 as an abboration once i get a few visions out of my head - Peake's turnovers, Eddy not being able to pass 10 metres, Roo's miss..

I'm still optimistic for 2011 and agree with the forward line re-shuffle. The mids that have been called 'thin' will need some work and some players to step up. Armo, Steven, Dal, Al Smith. I'd be surprised if BJ isnt permanently in the middle.

SainterK · Post: # 1025709Post **SainterK** » Thu 25 Nov 2010 12:05am

stinger wrote:okay.....i will be more specific.....2 grand final.....8 quarters......we played like headless unthinking chooks in 5 out of the 8 quarters.....and you lot should stop making excuses for the dribble the boys dished up in the first half of the 1st grand final and for 3 out of 4 quarters in the second one.....the filth simply outplayed us the second time...yeah...we were shot....why weren't they????

Well that's easy, look at the individuals for Collingwood that basically had a week off GF1 and their potential upside....even the media painted it that way after week one.

Oh, and we no longer had the advantage of knowing what what not winning felt like, and their kids no longer were inexperienced.

St Lenny · Post: # 1025714Post **St Lenny** » Thu 25 Nov 2010 1:01am

stinger wrote:okay.....i will be more specific.....2 grand final.....8 quarters......we played like headless unthinking chooks in 5 out of the 8 quarters.....and you lot should stop making excuses for the dribble the boys dished up in the first half of the 1st grand final and for 3 out of 4 quarters in the second one.....the filth simply outplayed us the second time...yeah...we were shot....why weren't they????

Believe I was accused of being a troll for saying Collingwood played better than us, but you are right.

Con Gorozidis · Thu 25 Nov 2010 1:59am

Foz wrote:I agree with Stinger - in summary of the 2 GF's we were outplayed. In GF2 totally. Utterly. No excuses apart from lack of midfield and hardness was exposed.

Just a quick look at inside 50's in both GF's tells a leading tale.

I'd call Gf1 a classic result but not a classic game. I'll forget GF2 as an abboration once i get a few visions out of my head - Peake's turnovers, Eddy not being able to pass 10 metres, Roo's miss..

I'm still optimistic for 2011 and agree with the forward line re-shuffle. The mids that have been called 'thin' will need some work and some players to step up. Armo, Steven, Dal, Al Smith. I'd be surprised if BJ isnt permanently in the middle.

dont knock eddy - he was too busy filling space and playing his role according to the coach selflessly which is why so many of the other 16 teams jumped at drafting him. clearly u dont understand saints footy.

Sainternist · Thu 25 Nov 2010 3:02am

something similar to 2009's brand of footy would be exciting.

that 2009 style was a little compromised in 2010 from the injuries.

a clean bill of health in 2011 and we'll probably be in for a corker

rodgerfox · Post: # 1025745Post **rodgerfox** » Thu 25 Nov 2010 8:52am

To win a flag, you need to play a game on the last Saturday of September that is special.

You need to play an exceptional game, with exceptional performances from several players.

I can't remember a team playing a 'good' GF and winning a flag. I can't remember seeing a team come out and simply do what they've done all year on GF day, and win it.

Special acts of brilliance need to occur, for a team to win on GF day.

The question is, does the way we're coached allow this to happen? Or are we simply sitting ducks on GF day for another club to come out and do something freakish whilst we grind away and play 'low risk' footy?

The way we play, we need our opposition to have an off day, or choke for us to win.
I don't think the way we play allows us to 'win' a GF. It allows to capitalize if the opposition blow it, but I don't think we make ourselves capable of coming out and 'winning' the GF through playing a single game capable of blowing away a very good opponent on a given day.

That's our issue.

We need to adapt to be able to come out on a given day and have all our stars align and overpower an opponent from the opening bounce.

Clearly in 2009 we were close to that. But the nature of our style, no matter how much better on the day than our opposition we are - they're always in the hunt on the scoreboard.

In boxing terms, we're a good counter puncher. The problem with that is that you're fighting their fight.

On GF day, you need to fight your fight. It's the only way you win them.