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Bitter No-name VFLer wants Saad dragged to his level

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-29/b ... punishment

SUSPENDED VFL footballer Matthew Clark has called on the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) to appeal the length of Ahmed Saad's suspension.

Saad was given an 18-month suspension by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal after testing positive to a banned substance found in an energy drink.

Clark is serving a two-year ban after a similar chemical was found in his system while playing for Frankston in the VFL.

His original sentence was nine months, before ASADA successfully appealed the decision, increasing the suspension to two years.

"I was just very disappointed to see that an AFL player got one sentence and a small-time VFL player got a harsher punishment," Clark told AFL.com.au.

"I thought because they set the benchmark for my case, you'd think it would be the exact same penalty. It was all the same scenario.

"They (ASADA) should definitely appeal, I think. I'd be very disappointed if they didn't, because obviously they gave me the nine months to start with and they appealed that."

So if this guy thinks what he got was unfair, why would he want someone else to suffer just as unfairly? Great attitude this guy must go through life with.


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If I recall correctly Clark imported the substance personally and that's where he got picked up.
Ahmed had a defence that he didn't know what what was in the drink.
Possibly the difference in 6 months right there.


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Can someone tell me who funds ASADA?


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Post: # 1422209Post Mr Magic »

howlinwolf wrote:If I recall correctly Clark imported the substance personally and that's where he got picked up.
Ahmed had a defence that he didn't know what what was in the drink.
Possibly the difference in 6 months right there.
That surely cannot be correct?
Isn't the substance 'ok' anytime except match day?
If so, importing it to use on non match days would be ok, I would have thought.

He must have tested 'positive' to it on match day or had it with him on match day.


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Mr Magic wrote:
howlinwolf wrote:If I recall correctly Clark imported the substance personally and that's where he got picked up.
Ahmed had a defence that he didn't know what what was in the drink.
Possibly the difference in 6 months right there.
That surely cannot be correct?
Isn't the substance 'ok' anytime except match day?
If so, importing it to use on non match days would be ok, I would have thought.

He must have tested 'positive' to it on match day or had it with him on match day.
I don't think it was the same substance, was it?


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Most people would say "he got off lighter than me so good luck to him" but not this bloke. What a low act to come out in public to try to INCREASE the punishment of someone he doesn't even know.


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70s sainter wrote:Most people would say "he got off lighter than me so good luck to him" but not this bloke. What a low act to come out in public to try to INCREASE the punishment of someone he doesn't even know.
Agree. Appeal your own sentence, not praying for another's to become longer. What a turd of a human.


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18 month ban from AFL is way worse than 24 month from VFL.

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Moorabbin Man wrote:Can someone tell me who funds ASADA?
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Munga wrote:
70s sainter wrote:Most people would say "he got off lighter than me so good luck to him" but not this bloke. What a low act to come out in public to try to INCREASE the punishment of someone he doesn't even know.
Agree. Appeal your own sentence, not praying for another's to become longer. What a turd of a human.
Yep. Gotta agree too.


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Con Gorozidis wrote:18 month ban from AFL is way worse than 24 month from VFL.

Killing your livelihood as a top grade pro v postponing a hobby
In fairness though, cheating at AFL level is probably also quite a bit worse than cheating at VFL level since the stakes are so much higher.

I wouldn't exactly call playing in the VFL a hobby though either.


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It seems a reasonable question to ask.

It looks as though the length of the ban and a lot of the conditions surrounding it are very different for two people who have done essentially the same thing.


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noddy wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:18 month ban from AFL is way worse than 24 month from VFL.

Killing your livelihood as a top grade pro v postponing a hobby
In fairness though, cheating at AFL level is probably also quite a bit worse than cheating at VFL level since the stakes are so much higher.

I wouldn't exactly call playing in the VFL a hobby though either.
Well I don't believe footy would have been Matthew Clarke's main source of income.


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Con Gorozidis wrote:
noddy wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:18 month ban from AFL is way worse than 24 month from VFL.

Killing your livelihood as a top grade pro v postponing a hobby
In fairness though, cheating at AFL level is probably also quite a bit worse than cheating at VFL level since the stakes are so much higher.

I wouldn't exactly call playing in the VFL a hobby though either.
Well I don't believe footy would have been Matthew Clarke's main source of income.

And probably the reason you would extra careful with what you took especially with all the info AFL players are given.


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kosifantutti wrote:It seems a reasonable question to ask.

It looks as though the length of the ban and a lot of the conditions surrounding it are very different for two people who have done essentially the same thing.
Agree. Hopefully there will be an appeal and Saad cops 2 years.

It's all about integrity.


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saintspremiers wrote:
kosifantutti wrote:It seems a reasonable question to ask.

It looks as though the length of the ban and a lot of the conditions surrounding it are very different for two people who have done essentially the same thing.
Agree. Hopefully there will be an appeal and Saad cops 2 years.

It's all about integrity.

Why would you want that? Surely we want ASADA to be happy.


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plugger66 wrote:
Con Gorozidis wrote:18 month ban from AFL is way worse than 24 month from VFL.

Killing your livelihood as a top grade pro v postponing a hobby

And probably the reason you would extra careful with what you took especially with all the info AFL players are given.
If you look at course of events - Clarke only got 9 from the AFL and ended up with 24.

The AFL gave Saad 18.

So ASADA could quite plausibly come in and chuck on another 6 months to Saad.


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Post: # 1422260Post Con Gorozidis »

Just had a quick look

Having a brief look - It appears there is a significant difference between the cases:

Saad took a substance that is banned in competition but NOT out of competition
Clark took one that is banned in AND out of competition

If I am correct that explains the differences and therefore Clark's contention is wrong.


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Life is not fair.
Some crooks get off lighter than others, and after their sentencing, their prior convictions are aired-
NOT permitted to mention their history before the finding of guilt/innocence
So a repeat offender may get the same or less than a first timer.
Depends on whether the judge believes the defence lawyer who says his career crim client
"shows remorse" excuse me while I cough.
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noddy wrote:http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-29/b ... punishment

SUSPENDED VFL footballer Matthew Clark has called on the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) to appeal the length of Ahmed Saad's suspension.

Saad was given an 18-month suspension by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal after testing positive to a banned substance found in an energy drink.

Clark is serving a two-year ban after a similar chemical was found in his system while playing for Frankston in the VFL.

His original sentence was nine months, before ASADA successfully appealed the decision, increasing the suspension to two years.

"I was just very disappointed to see that an AFL player got one sentence and a small-time VFL player got a harsher punishment," Clark told AFL.com.au.

"I thought because they set the benchmark for my case, you'd think it would be the exact same penalty. It was all the same scenario.

"They (ASADA) should definitely appeal, I think. I'd be very disappointed if they didn't, because obviously they gave me the nine months to start with and they appealed that."

So if this guy thinks what he got was unfair, why would he want someone else to suffer just as unfairly? Great attitude this guy must go through life with.

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Post: # 1422320Post maverick »

kosifantutti wrote:It seems a reasonable question to ask.

It looks as though the length of the ban and a lot of the conditions surrounding it are very different for two people who have done essentially the same thing.
So he says anyway, we don't have all the facts of each case to be fair….


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Post: # 1422321Post Con Gorozidis »

maverick wrote:
kosifantutti wrote:It seems a reasonable question to ask.

It looks as though the length of the ban and a lot of the conditions surrounding it are very different for two people who have done essentially the same thing.
So he says anyway, we don't have all the facts of each case to be fair….
We dont but I reckon there is a difference in the substances.
Clarks substance banned in and out of comp
Saads banned only in comp

So Saads crime not as bad and penalty should be less severe


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The difference between between the two cases was that Saad may have had better legal representation. Unfortunately for Clark, he may just have to treat it like his mattress and sleep on it for the extra six months.


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I think consistency is a fair thing to ask for.


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Post: # 1422373Post Kickit »

He's an arsehole for trying to drag Saad down.
His sporting authority tried to do him a favour and only penalised him half of what Saad got.
This was way short of ASADA's benchmark, so they had little choice but to appeal.
I suspect that the AFL will have wisened up to this, and hit Saad with the minimum they think will keep ASADA happy.
( hopefully ASADA are too busy writing up Essendon infringements ).


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