Longer, Pierce, Rowe gone

[kosifantutti]

https://www.saints.com.au/news/2019-08- ... st-changes

[Viscount Jeremiah]

I hope both Billy and Lewis recover fully from their concussion issues and have no lingering effects.

[sunsaint]

yes it is retrospective but go back twelve months
Longer was out of contract but we shop Hickey to Weagles
How much different would have our 2019 been if it was the other way round

[takeaway]

yes it is retrospective but go back twelve months
Longer was out of contract but we shop Hickey to Weagles
How much different would have our 2019 been if it was the other way round

Not much.

[To the top]

We just trust the folly of retaining Longer and trading Hickey is not repeated - but by media reporting it may be

Imagine Hickey and Marshall, both able to impact around the ground including going forward to cover the much needed height deficiency in attack

[The_Dud]

Thoughts and prayers for Stonecold

[Viscount Jeremiah]

yes it is retrospective but go back twelve months
Longer was out of contract but we shop Hickey to Weagles
How much different would have our 2019 been if it was the other way round

True but we shopped both its just that no one was interested in Longer

[Special]

Three players who had zero impact on our season.

4 down (including Armo), another 4 or 5 to go!

I love the trading/delisting/drafting period. It’s full of false hope!

[skeptic]

yes it is retrospective but go back twelve months
Longer was out of contract but we shop Hickey to Weagles
How much different would have our 2019 been if it was the other way round

Not much.

Agreed. Regardless, a bad decision is a bad decision. Hickey could be depth. Longer couldn’t. Alternatively Longer had no value whatsoever.

It’s a shame though... so many of the forumites that have forcibly crammed such absurd views down our throats against all reason are gone now. Longer being a premier ruck was a personal favourite

[saintsRrising]

We just trust the folly of retaining Longer

You do understand that no club wanted to trade for Longer last year?

[Saint wagga]

Wish them all well in life, no personal issue whatsoever but glad they are off our list. We have so many on our list who have made zero contribution the last 2 years it’s not funny. I’m hoping the cull is ruthless and we don’t bring in fringe players. Only proven good to excellent afl players in! Don’t really care about age, we need results. There’s enough youth coming thru to focus on the here and now In ie: season 2020, we really to crack finals next year!!

[B.M]

Longer gone

Hickledick a finals bound ruckman

Where is StoneCold now? Probably embarrassed

Do you know we got Billy with the Compo pick for NDS

[Toy Saint]

Longer gone

Hickledick a finals bound ruckman

Where is StoneCold now? Probably embarrassed

Do you know we got Billy with the Compo pick for NDS

OMG, too many of these decisions and any business would be bankrupt. The CEO should be accountable.

[Toy Saint]

Wish them all well in life, no personal issue whatsoever but glad they are off our list. We have so many on our list who have made zero contribution the last 2 years it’s not funny. I’m hoping the cull is ruthless and we don’t bring in fringe players. Only proven good to excellent afl players in! Don’t really care about age, we need results. There’s enough youth coming thru to focus on the here and now In ie: season 2020, we really to crack finals next year!!

Even if we replace the sub-fringe players with unproven kids I'd be happy.

[fugazi]

Would we have discovered Marshall if Hockey had stayed?

[cwrcyn]

It was immediately apparent that Longer was no better than Michael Rix, Trent Knobel and others of that ilk. In fact those two guys were probably more effective. To think we coughed up pick 25 for him makes me shudder. Hickey was always more talented, more mobile, better skills, better mark, more possessions. The only thing Longer had over him was a heavier body. For some inexplicable reason, Richardson saw more value in a player who belonged in the 1980s. Although Hickey's form declined after a very promising couple of years, at least he could play the modern game, and now here we are, trying to find a ruckman to work in tandem with Marshall, and whoops, we gave him to the premiers last year. Funny how things turn out. Richardson's love of Longer and disdain for Hickey means we now have to search for yet another ruckman in a 'beggars can't be choosers' scenario.

[CURLY]

Longer was a fantastic tap ruckman and the mid field loved having him at clearances.

[skeptic]

Longer was a fantastic tap ruckman and the mid field loved having him at clearances.

Yeah, that’s why he’s been our premier ruck for 5 years and Hickey is on the scrap heap

Yep. Richo loved Longer... rated him as our best. Says it all doesn’t it

[CURLY]

Longer was a fantastic tap ruckman and the mid field loved having him at clearances.

Yeah, that’s why he’s been our premier ruck for 5 years and Hickey is on the scrap heap

He’s basically been forced out with concussion which ruined his entire season. Hickey isn’t exposed as he’s playing in the reigning premiers team.

[skeptic]

Longer was a fantastic tap ruckman and the mid field loved having him at clearances.

Yeah, that’s why he’s been our premier ruck for 5 years and Hickey is on the scrap heap

He’s basically been forced out with concussion which ruined his entire season. Hickey isn’t exposed as he’s playing in the reigning premiers team.

How do you explain the 4 years before that

[Enrico_Misso]

Wish them both well.
But in retrospect they were bad selections, Lewis in particular has occupied a spot on our list for 6 or 7 years.

[SydneySainter]

Longer was a fantastic tap ruckman and the mid field loved having him at clearances.

Back in 2017 maybe.

[bigcarl]

Longer gone

Hickledick a finals bound ruckman

Where is StoneCold now?

Concussed

[takeaway]

Longer was a fantastic tap ruckman and the mid field loved having him at clearances.

Yeah, that’s why he’s been our premier ruck for 5 years and Hickey is on the scrap heap

He’s basically been forced out with concussion which ruined his entire season. Hickey isn’t exposed as he’s playing in the reigning premiers team.

How do you explain the 4 years before that

Explain what?

Longer was, if I recall correctly, the premier ruckman in 2014 , 2015 & 2017 (where he set the club record for hitouts).
Hickey had a good year in 2016, when Longer was injured, and didn't regain form, and Billy was injured for a lot of 2018, interrupted pre season, then ankle surgery mid year. Hickey therefore was the main ruck for a lot of 2018, but not greatly effective. In fact, a couple of really poor games.

I think Longer was always regarded as the main ruck by the whole club, not just Richo. Unfortunately, he has not been fit for a couple of years, and his main asset, hitout ability, is no longer as important. Concussion was probably the final straw.

Hickey has done OK with West Coast, but I'm pretty sure that they would still be playing finals if he had been injured all year. Good luck to him though.

[skeptic]

Longer was a fantastic tap ruckman and the mid field loved having him at clearances.

Yeah, that’s why he’s been our premier ruck for 5 years and Hickey is on the scrap heap

He’s basically been forced out with concussion which ruined his entire season. Hickey isn’t exposed as he’s playing in the reigning premiers team.

How do you explain the 4 years before that

Explain what?

Longer was, if I recall correctly, the premier ruckman in 2014 , 2015 & 2017 (where he set the club record for hitouts).
Hickey had a good year in 2016, when Longer was injured, and didn't regain form, and Billy was injured for a lot of 2018, interrupted pre season, then ankle surgery mid year. Hickey therefore was the main ruck for a lot of 2018, but not greatly effective. In fact, a couple of really poor games.

I think Longer was always regarded as the main ruck by the whole club, not just Richo. Unfortunately, he has not been fit for a couple of years, and his main asset, hitout ability, is no longer as important. Concussion was probably the final straw.

Hickey has done OK with West Coast, but I'm pretty sure that they would still be playing finals if he had been injured all year. Good luck to him though.

Love it. Longer was terrible. His best year BY FAR was 2017 where he played 17 games for an average of 1 kick, 2 goals for the year and yes he averaged 39 hit outs in a team that finished 14th.
That was his best.

His 2015 was terrible

Hickey’s best season coincided with our best season of the entire Richo era.

However to accurately paint the picture, one has to be honest. Both Hickey and Longer were/overall terrible and Richo’s inability to recognise it and continual perseverance with both is an example of why our club is where it is.

To sit there and try to paint a picture that Longer was a “premier” ruck cruelled by injury is somewhere between delusional and idiocy

Disregarding that... of the two, Hickey has by far been the better player, had better numbers, played more, had a better career, had clubs willing to give up more