[quote="70s sainter"][quote="bigcarl"][quote="Teflon"]He sounds like a pick 60 odd draft pick whose been de-listed once before.... Its these sort of complete c**k ups that set you back years.[/quote] You're going very early on this one Teflon. It takes a while for guys ...

Only Raph was a top ten pick so I guess he was a champion in your opinion.

If they are any good our recruiters will avoid them like the plague. We are more likely to end up with another Cripps, McQualter, Raph Clarke or Lynch all recent first picks.

I would expect to finish 10-12. Our A graders are all past it and I can not yet identify an potential A grader among the young players. But we surely will be ahead of last years bottom sides but will slip below Carton, Essiendon and Richmond.

Saint Pav may be a little optimistic, 2012 9th and above Carlton, Essendon & Richmond all of which will probably move above us. I don't believe we will return to the days when we genuinely earned our priority picks, (no tanking we were actually that bad), but even then us long term supporters ap...

I am not certain about the Pelican but it would be difficult to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by galah's.
Our recruiting staff have again continued to blow our first round picks, hopefully they are due to come up with a winner not the likes of Lovett, Brookes or Watts.

Little Dozer is right Cripps is no good, but neither is Mitch Brown so a swap would be a fair deal and delist both in 2014

Pick 2 would be great if used well, our recruiting staff would probably on trade it for Mitch Brown.

Anything more than a straight swap Cripps for Brown will see the saints get bent over again. Although anything could happen with our recruiting staff seeming terrified of going to the draft with early picks, surely all they need to do is buy a copy of the HS and follow Shifter's advice. My informati...

Looks like or recruiters have probably dished up another Jodi Arnol, hope they don't blow the rest of the picks on the likes of Justin Sweeny, Barry Brookes and maybe John Beveridge could re-recruit his boy Luke. What is wrong with going into a strong draft and picking up young players as the premie...

Keep Kosi in team, no need to tank

would this upgrade have anything to do with my inability to send PM's

Archer although he is no champion may be a better option than Wilkes

Cripps may not like the hard ball but is not alone you can add Ray, Gram, Sippos and Winmar to that list. Then we have the likes of Jones, Steven, Peake, Geary and Gilbert who will get the hard ball but then butcher it. I still can't believe John Beveridge over looking darling to recruit Cripps, tha...