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I blame all of the coaching staff, and Jamie Cox.Saint wagga wrote:F*** me dead! I just listened to richos pressed and he thought Billy was good last week!! He also basically blamed our entire 3rd quarter annihilation against Melbourne on centre bounce!! No wonder Hickey has been banished to the 2's!! I'm just flabbergasted that anybody, let alone the senior coach thinks Longer was anything but useless last week!! And for the last stinking time...he's not aggressive!! He got pole axed by Blicavs, Zac smith was much better than him, these would have to be two of the least physical rucks around. His 'physicality' is a complete myth, he just isn't tough and isn't intimidating to other afl players!! Strewth rant over!
Yes so in a comp of 16 teams, sixth bottom, bottom with priority picks, second bottom, third bottom, fifth bottom - that is where we loaded up on the elite talent that set us up for a decade at the top. We've had pick 1, 3 & 5. That probably isn't the basis of a dynasty. You proved my point. Well done.St Chris wrote:Semi Final 1998.....10th 1999.....Spoon 2000.....15th 2001.....15th 2002.....11th 2003.....Prelim 2004Bluthy wrote:[Our previous generation hung around the bottom of the ladder for ages, loaded up on quality and picks and hey presto we made prelim after prelim, 3 grannies and almost 2 flags. You need quality, you need elite players.
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Elim Final 2011.....9th 2012.....16th 2013......Spoon 2014.....14th 2015.....9th 2016......????? 2017
It's time to make winning more important. One of the reasons we played in GF's in '09 and '10 was that we had a winning culture with that group of players, they'd had 5 solid years of winning more than they lost. It's time to get that belief into this generation.
Abuse because I don't agree with you? I didn't know you were so delicate. In the future Ill wait until you get past page 3 of AFL for Dummies.Bluthy wrote:Pull your head out of your arse. FA's want to come to clubs that are doing things right. Our previous generation hung around the bottom of the ladder for ages, loaded up on quality and picks and hey presto we made prelim after prelim, 3 grannies and almost 2 flags. You need quality, you need elite players. "Wallow around the near the bottom" - stupid thing to say. That is how the system works. We've been down the bottom but still have drawn new players. WAnt a lot of members - win a flag. That what gets them and keeps them. Lyon's best 25 didn't work - he should have experimented more.Playon wrote:Of course winning is a priority, that is if you want the club to improve. If we are to attracts FA's or out of contract players.We need to be a destination club. If we were to sit there and wallow around near the bottom of the ladder or even out of the eight it becomes harder for us to appeal to new players. Its also bad for membership and sponsors.Bluthy wrote:Winning is not the first priority - it never should be at our point in the rebuild. You start tightening up this early we aint gunna get a strong squad. We can play pretty fast and loose at the moment. Richo's desire for wins over development has been a huge issue for our young players. His old pants backline last year and taking Shneids off the rookie list has held our young turks back. I weep for our future. Small weeping at the moment, but could get bigger.saintspremiers wrote:I see your point but we still need a win tomorrow, and that's first priorityBluthy wrote:Why because we want to try both young rucks out and see how the different styles go? Thats actually clever. Its a laugh how precious people are about certain players. Are we going for a flag this year and I missed it? Or do we still have a lot of experimenting to do. Me thinks the latter. We need to know what we have, and haven't got, on our hands with certain players.
Priority I thought was to try and make the finals this year. I was never expecting anything much above 8th btw and would be delighted if we can somehow sneak into the eight.
Yeah sure we experiment giving games to players that have earn a chance via the vfl just as every other club does. But we need to win to improve, Its a long way back via the draft, just ask Melbourne or we could become the next Richmond
Winning is not the be all and end all. YOu gotta be smarter than that dumb approach. That approach is starting to make our list look like lacking enough high draft picks to win a flag.
What a surprise. Well, clearly it is to Richo not the rest of us.saintsRrising wrote:Longer just cannot run with Ben and Ben has made the most of it to be the Hawks best player.
bulls***. You are just trying to justify the longer hate. He held off big strong McEvoy and gave us good use at ball ups. Jesus credit where it is due. People get so stuck on their opinions they refuse to lose face by admiting they were wrong.Goose is king wrote:Billy was our only player beaten on the day
what?Bluthy wrote:bulls***. You are just trying to justify the longer hate. He held off big strong McEvoy and gave us good use at ball ups. Jesus credit where it is due. People get so stuck on their opinions they refuse to lose face by admiting they were wrong.Goose is king wrote:Billy was our only player beaten on the day
Nailed it here,Toy Saint wrote:Some posters on here kinda lack a fundamental understanding of football, Longer gave us 1st use multiple times and we won the game by 75 points. And for the Gilbert haters, I thought his contribution as 2nd ruck allowed Josh Bruce to dominate up forward.
Sure McEvoy was more mobile, so what! Mumford and Sandilands are not real mobile either but geez they are both major assets to their teams.
And next week we face Mumford, the man mountain. He's almost certainly crush Hickey.
WellardSaint wrote:Nailed it here,Toy Saint wrote:Some posters on here kinda lack a fundamental understanding of football, Longer gave us 1st use multiple times and we won the game by 75 points. And for the Gilbert haters, I thought his contribution as 2nd ruck allowed Josh Bruce to dominate up forward.
Sure McEvoy was more mobile, so what! Mumford and Sandilands are not real mobile either but geez they are both major assets to their teams.
And next week we face Mumford, the man mountain. He's almost certainly crush Hickey.
agree on all your points
Let's hope Mummy's spear tackle on Libba earns him a week's rest.Toy Saint wrote:Some posters on here kinda lack a fundamental understanding of football, Longer gave us 1st use multiple times and we won the game by 75 points. And for the Gilbert haters, I thought his contribution as 2nd ruck allowed Josh Bruce to dominate up forward.
Sure McEvoy was more mobile, so what! Mumford and Sandilands are not real mobile either but geez they are both major assets to their teams.
And next week we face Mumford, the man mountain. He's almost certainly crush Hickey.
Longer was an early draft pick, and unfortunately Holmes just doesn't understand the game.borderbarry wrote:Only Holmes on our list could do a better job on Mumford than Longer.
BigMart wrote:5 possesions, no kicks and one mark... not a great game. McEvoy played pretty well.
He was good at stoppage, but he can't just be that
And Hickey is terrible at stoppage, but ok around the ground
We have two halves of a great ruckman
Im not sure it was a spear tackle and I'm really sure he will be playing next week. Unlike Toby Greene who has to be the biggest (smallest) crock head going around. Has he got small mans syndrome or whatWhite Winmar wrote:Let's hope Mummy's spear tackle on Libba earns him a week's rest.Toy Saint wrote:Some posters on here kinda lack a fundamental understanding of football, Longer gave us 1st use multiple times and we won the game by 75 points. And for the Gilbert haters, I thought his contribution as 2nd ruck allowed Josh Bruce to dominate up forward.
Sure McEvoy was more mobile, so what! Mumford and Sandilands are not real mobile either but geez they are both major assets to their teams.
And next week we face Mumford, the man mountain. He's almost certainly crush Hickey.