STOP with the picking up discarded hacks threads!!!

Devilhead · Post: # 1150121Post **Devilhead** » Mon 26 Sep 2011 2:15am

No more discarded hacks!!

Sick of wasting picks on other teams discards be it with pick 17 or 117

Lets add more youth to our young brigade from last years draft - we have enough experience in the team already

I couldn't give a rats asrse that this years draft might be shallow ... just no more has-beens .... has-beens from top clubs and especially has-beens from bottom 9 clubs .... no friggin more

These shite discarded has-beens have been discarded for a very good reason

Lets go with youth and give our supporters something to get excited about

I thank you in advance for adhering to my thread title!!

mad saint guy · Mon 26 Sep 2011 4:19am

While the club has certainly gone overboard in recent years with recycling players, the whole idea shouldn't be thrown out. Rodan, Guerra, Buchanon, Simon Buckley, Danny Stanley, Aaron Edwards and even our own Zac Dawson have all been discarded and picked up again to play some decent footy. Dempster was pretty much given away for free by Sydney. I also suspect Giles will be a handy number one ruckman for GWS next year. I think the important things to keep in mind when looking at these players are:

What have they achieved and what opportunities have they been given?

What is their potential, and why haven't they reached it/why were they discarded?

What could they add to the team if they do achieve their potential?

In the case of guys like Rodan (great skills, highly damaging but never settled in the team) then he's absolutely worth a late draft pick. Jesse Smith was also worth a shot, but the medicos just couldn't get his body right. It's stupid picks like Gamble, Pattison and Begley that we need to avoid; sound character, plenty of opportunities and always falling short at AFL level. That's not going to change at a new club.

gringo · Post: # 1150152Post **gringo** » Mon 26 Sep 2011 9:43am

Hawthorn choose their hacks well and have added Hale, Burgoyne, Gibson to a good line up. Every one of those players stood up last week and I would have all of them at the Saints. The ideal situation is to cherry pick the gems and still add to the youth with your top picks. I believe we got Pelchen because he has a great record balancing the two. Sydney have done well from rejects too, McGlynn, Kennedy and Mumford are all guns.

degruch · Post: # 1150193Post **degruch** » Mon 26 Sep 2011 11:14am

Never say never...we've benefitted more from external recruits than suffered over the last decade, and very few have actually been 'discards' (i.e. delisted)...Polo (good pickup), C Gardiner, Pattison, Smith (was looking good until injury again), Dawson (good pickup), Dempster (good pickup) spring to mind.

Little Dozer · Mon 26 Sep 2011 11:20am

gringo wrote:Hawthorn choose their hacks well and have added Hale, Burgoyne, Gibson to a good line up. Every one of those players stood up last week and I would have all of them at the Saints. The ideal situation is to cherry pick the gems and still add to the youth with your top picks. I believe we got Pelchen because he has a great record balancing the two. Sydney have done well from rejects too, McGlynn, Kennedy and Mumford are all guns.

Hale, Burgoyne and Gibson weren't discarded. They were all dealt to the Dawks in deals.

I agree with the OP, no more to the likes of Gamble, Polo, Pattison, Gardiner, Begley etc.

BigMart · Post: # 1150203Post **BigMart** » Mon 26 Sep 2011 11:28am

Difference between discarded and traded for

Dempster was traded for pick #26 in the 07 draft....he was no discard...

ThePunter · Mon 26 Sep 2011 11:35am

Schneider and Dempster were both salary cap casualties.

Recycled is the most subjective term in footy.

King and C Gardiner would have been delisted, and were picked up with a pick that was never going to be used. But as they were traded for...

What about Jason Gram? Gone from Brisbane because they didn't have space in their team for him. Took him four years to come good.

I agree we should focus on youth, but any 18yo drafted in the National Draft gets a two year deal, unlike those players re-drafted who have already been in the system. The likes of Begley and Jesse Smith were delisted after one year, costing the club nothing.

Better to get the youth onto the rookie list where the risk is not as great to the club, as they can be delisted after one year.

degruch · Post: # 1150208Post **degruch** » Mon 26 Sep 2011 11:36am

BigMart wrote:Difference between discarded and traded for

Dempster was traded for pick #26 in the 07 draft....he was no discard...

Not according to him, he was part of a collective trade in which the main attraction was Schneider. Agree that a lot of the players quoted on here are not discards.

stkildathunda · Mon 26 Sep 2011 1:34pm

degruch wrote:
BigMart wrote:Difference between discarded and traded for

Dempster was traded for pick #26 in the 07 draft....he was no discard...
Not according to him, he was part of a collective trade in which the main attraction was Schneider. Agree that a lot of the players quoted on here are not discards.

I like to think we paid Pick 26 for Dempster and Schneider was the steak knives in the deal

Dr Spaceman · Mon 26 Sep 2011 1:38pm

stkildathunda wrote:
degruch wrote:
BigMart wrote:Difference between discarded and traded for

Dempster was traded for pick #26 in the 07 draft....he was no discard...
Not according to him, he was part of a collective trade in which the main attraction was Schneider. Agree that a lot of the players quoted on here are not discards.
I like to think we paid Pick 26 for Dempster and Schneider was the steak knives in the deal

And we paid Pick 90 for King.

Charlie Gardiner was the plastic picnic knife thrown in

meher baba · Mon 26 Sep 2011 1:41pm

Dempster is extremely overrated in this thread. Goes ok in a purely defensive role, but you should all be prepared for the possibility that a new coach quite possibly won't want to have anything to with him.

degruch · Post: # 1150277Post **degruch** » Mon 26 Sep 2011 1:48pm

meher baba wrote:Dempster is extremely overrated in this thread. Goes ok in a purely defensive role, but you should all be prepared for the possibility that a new coach quite possibly won't want to have anything to with him.

You're saying he's not steak knives? Overrated in this thread? Talk about a pre-emptive strike!

meher baba · Mon 26 Sep 2011 1:55pm

degruch wrote:
meher baba wrote:Dempster is extremely overrated in this thread. Goes ok in a purely defensive role, but you should all be prepared for the possibility that a new coach quite possibly won't want to have anything to with him.
You're saying he's not steak knives? Overrated in this thread? Talk about a pre-emptive strike!

He was steak knives for sure. Is serviceable, but - like CJ, Eddy and McQualter - is first and foremost a role player under the Lyon game plan.

degruch · Post: # 1150307Post **degruch** » Mon 26 Sep 2011 2:22pm

meher baba wrote:
degruch wrote:
meher baba wrote:Dempster is extremely overrated in this thread. Goes ok in a purely defensive role, but you should all be prepared for the possibility that a new coach quite possibly won't want to have anything to with him.
You're saying he's not steak knives? Overrated in this thread? Talk about a pre-emptive strike!
He was steak knives for sure. Is serviceable, but - like CJ, Eddy and McQualter - is first and foremost a role player under the Lyon game plan.

Eddy and Mini aren't really in the same league as CJ and Dempster. If we delisted CJ or Dempster today, they'd be in a new team tomorrow. I don't think even GWS will pick up the other two.