Regarding the locked post - Rumour: Nicky Dal

End Of An Era · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:06pm

Ok, now I'm not saying this rumour is true. Far from it, it's probably false. But lets just say for arguements sake it is true and Pelchen has decided that a full rebuild is required.

Lets say Dal Santo was traded. You would expect to get 2 top 10 draft picks for him!!!!???

Then you would also trade Goddard to GWS, another 2 top 10 draft picks.

That would be a pretty good start to rebuilding I would have thought.

Discuss...

borderbarry · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:08pm

One star is enough to lose in one year thank you.

Dr Spaceman · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:08pm

I donâ€™t recall Pelchen doing this sort of thing at Hawthorn.

His method seems to centre around getting good trades for blokes with a profile but who were not going to get better or improve the side (Thompson, Hay, Williams etc).

Why would he come into our club and immediately start looking at trading the Brownlow runner up and likely Best and Fairest winner?

Doesnâ€™t make a lot of sense.

shmic_s · Post: # 1150941Post **shmic_s** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:15pm

Dal is a smart player and a fantastic user of the ball.
He is one we want to play out his career at the Saints.
Will be able to go back or forward later in his career and play important roles for the team. See him playing well into his 30's.

noob · Post: # 1150942Post **noob** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:18pm

hopefully a 300 club player

Dal_Santos_Gal · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:21pm

I think I am going to go and hang myself now......... The last time I had a real favorite player was Plugger and we all know what happened there...
I can bare to think about losing Dal Santo to another club.

I am hoping this is a load of crap.

howlinwolf · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:25pm

There will be a HUGE thread here late on Saturday afternoon discussing
all the likely Pie trades after their loss.
Stay tuned for that !

Animal Enclosure · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:29pm

Not sure why someone posted something that they had heard constitutes having a thread locked.

At worst it provokes some forum debate.

I'd rather a rumor being posted than have to scroll through pages & pages of people abusing each other & highjacking threads.

Junction Oval · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:34pm

I would think that the Board would be extremely concerned about the adverse impact on Membership and Sponsorship, that axing our top players would be.

We are not ready for that degree of cutting yet - as we know we have a compromised draft for the next two years.

degruch · Post: # 1150955Post **degruch** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:36pm

Any thread that quotes a 'sauce' as the source of the rumour should be locked, period.

St Chris · Post: # 1150956Post **St Chris** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:40pm

Trade Week Rule No. 1 - Don't trade "blue chippers"

If they want to leave, fine, then get the most we possibly can for them. But don't shop them around.

High draft picks do not automatically mean gun players. Why offload a proven gun, for a couple of speculative ones??

If we traded with GWS for a 17 year old pick, and snare O'meara, who says he isn't going to play out his first 2-year deal and then want to go back to WA, out of contract??

Footy clubs are built around club champions, stars that knock back better offers from elsewhere, to play for the club they call home. It is one great difference Aussie rules has over Football and League, player-to-club loyalty. It is a shame the AFL are happy to see this dissipate with enlarged salary caps, draft concessions, and free agency.

hungry for a premiership · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:43pm

I love Dal and BJ as much as anyone, but think about 4 top ten draft picks!

Tempting!

PaytonPlace · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:47pm

degruch wrote:Any thread that quotes a 'sauce' as the source of the rumour should be locked, period.

Maybe we're picking up Big Sauce Merrett from Brisbane?

End Of An Era · Tue 27 Sep 2011 1:50pm

I think the question we all need to ask is will Dal and Goddard still be around to play in St Kilda's next premiership? If the answer is yes, then they should not be traded. If the answer is no, then trading them should be at least looked at.

I believe that if we could get 2 top 10 draft picks for Dal and the same for Goddard, we should take it. Dal will be 28 years old when next season starts. Goddard will be 27 just after next season starts.

By the time St Kilda rebuilds and is ready to challenge again, these 2 players (champions) may have already retired.

GrumpyOne · Post: # 1150964Post **GrumpyOne** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 2:01pm

St Chris wrote:Trade Week Rule No. 1 - Don't trade "blue chippers"

If they want to leave, fine, then get the most we possibly can for them. But don't shop them around.

High draft picks do not automatically mean gun players. Why offload a proven gun, for a couple of speculative ones??

If we traded with GWS for a 17 year old pick, and snare O'meara, who says he isn't going to play out his first 2-year deal and then want to go back to WA, out of contract??

Footy clubs are built around club champions, stars that knock back better offers from elsewhere, to play for the club they call home. It is one great difference Aussie rules has over Football and League, player-to-club loyalty. It is a shame the AFL are happy to see this dissipate with enlarged salary caps, draft concessions, and free agency.

This.

Plenty of also-rans we can offload for picks/trade.

Never offer your blue-chips.

Destroys the team spirit.

Dr Spaceman · Tue 27 Sep 2011 2:05pm

GrumpyOne wrote:
St Chris wrote:Trade Week Rule No. 1 - Don't trade "blue chippers"

If they want to leave, fine, then get the most we possibly can for them. But don't shop them around.

High draft picks do not automatically mean gun players. Why offload a proven gun, for a couple of speculative ones??

If we traded with GWS for a 17 year old pick, and snare O'meara, who says he isn't going to play out his first 2-year deal and then want to go back to WA, out of contract??

Footy clubs are built around club champions, stars that knock back better offers from elsewhere, to play for the club they call home. It is one great difference Aussie rules has over Football and League, player-to-club loyalty. It is a shame the AFL are happy to see this dissipate with enlarged salary caps, draft concessions, and free agency.
This.

Plenty of also-rans we can offload for picks/trade.

Never offer your blue-chips.

Destroys the team spirit.

Like I mentioned above, this whole rumour seems to stem from Pelchen's appointment.

But can anyone show me an example of where he traded a gun Hawk who was at the top of his game?

Rosco · Post: # 1150971Post **Rosco** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 2:11pm

End Of An Era wrote:I think the question we all need to ask is will Dal and Goddard still be around to play in St Kilda's next premiership? If the answer is yes, then they should not be traded. If the answer is no, then trading them should be at least looked at.

I believe that if we could get 2 top 10 draft picks for Dal and the same for Goddard, we should take it. Dal will be 28 years old when next season starts. Goddard will be 27 just after next season starts.

By the time St Kilda rebuilds and is ready to challenge again, these 2 players (champions) may have already retired.

this is what you argue when you don't believe in club loyalty. it makes logical sense but ruins the sense of "club" and makes it feel like an nba "franchise". yeah, footy is a business but the rank and file don't feel that way yet, and it will be sad day when they do. lots of people have BHP shares but i don't think they have many barrackers. also, could make it more likely that others will jump ship for a better offer.

SENsei · Post: # 1150972Post **SENsei** » Tue 27 Sep 2011 2:11pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:
GrumpyOne wrote:
St Chris wrote:Trade Week Rule No. 1 - Don't trade "blue chippers"

If they want to leave, fine, then get the most we possibly can for them. But don't shop them around.

High draft picks do not automatically mean gun players. Why offload a proven gun, for a couple of speculative ones??

If we traded with GWS for a 17 year old pick, and snare O'meara, who says he isn't going to play out his first 2-year deal and then want to go back to WA, out of contract??

Footy clubs are built around club champions, stars that knock back better offers from elsewhere, to play for the club they call home. It is one great difference Aussie rules has over Football and League, player-to-club loyalty. It is a shame the AFL are happy to see this dissipate with enlarged salary caps, draft concessions, and free agency.
This.

Plenty of also-rans we can offload for picks/trade.

Never offer your blue-chips.

Destroys the team spirit.
Like I mentioned above, this whole rumour seems to stem from Pelchen's appointment.

But can anyone show me an example of where he traded a gun Hawk who was at the top of his game?

Can't remember a 'top of his game' player getting traded, but he certainly had a clean out of older players.

Mark Graham
Peter Everitt
Nathan Thompson
Jon Hay
Jade Rawlings
Angelo Lekkas
Shane Crawford (nearly went)
Nick Holland

The above list were on their way out, not top of their game. But he has a history of being aggressive with a list.

And for someone coming in with his aggressive reputation, you'd want to make a bold move to enhance that reputation wouldn't you?