Gram up for Grabs

Spud · Post: # 1159586Post **Spud** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 7:59am

fingers wrote:If the deal is right then so be it.... I can't help but feel that Gram actually really loves St Kilda and I don't like seeing players like that leaving. Guess I'm getting soft in my old age.

I empathise with you mate, however Gram as been notorious for squibbing the hard ball and tackles, though he is an undeniably a good ball winner. If it means we can ease our salary cap pressures I'm for it.

Hurricane · Post: # 1159590Post **Hurricane** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 8:09am

saintspremiers wrote:What about getting Irish from Carlscum as a backup for Macca?

You mean Santa O'Hopeless?

For a 5th round pick id think about it

BANG BANG

Ralphy · Post: # 1159594Post **Ralphy** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 8:17am

Hopefully kosi follows...

Wrote for Luck · Tue 11 Oct 2011 8:20am

Maybe Gram will be better under a new coach? Thought he was pretty good last year.
However I understand the logic that everyone is looking for more wedge (especially the younger guys) and probably they've already got it (Armo and Steven).
At the end of the day I really don't want anyone to go.
If Gram did go I would expect Lynch to take his spot.

saintjake · Post: # 1159599Post **saintjake** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 8:31am

Trade him for Edwards

SaintPav · Post: # 1159600Post **SaintPav** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 8:35am

Ralphy wrote:Hopefully kosi follows...

hopefully you follow.

Ralphy · Post: # 1159601Post **Ralphy** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 8:36am

SaintPav wrote:
Ralphy wrote:Hopefully kosi follows...
hopefully you follow.

Fine by me...

Hurricane · Post: # 1159613Post **Hurricane** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:02am

Gram to North for Hamish McIntosh?

BANG BANG

Old Mate · Post: # 1159614Post **Old Mate** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:09am

Hurricane wrote:Gram to North for Hamish McIntosh?

BANG BANG

Do it....do it

noob · Post: # 1159615Post **noob** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:09am

I think because we don't have a lot of young players and we have a lot of players that are already matured.. most of them need to have a decent pay. Think that could be a reason why we need to get rid of some because we don't have enough kids for them to be on low wages.

Richter · Post: # 1159616Post **Richter** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:13am

Really, in terms of list management it is also about VALUE.

Hence, while it was sad to lose Ball a couple of years ago, he was in the top 5 paid players at the club, whilst being only around 10-15 most important on the list. That is not smart list management.

IMO, similar is likely to be true for Gram. I suspect that he is on a fair $$, and for mine whilst I like him as a player, he has not come on as I had hoped after he won the Michael Tuck medal in the 2008 NAB Cup win. IMO that was his best game ever for the club was when. Yes he had a stellar GF in 2009, but he did not become the A grade mid that we hoped for - in the way that for instance Joey did (from a lower starting point).

IMO he was actually a better and more consistent player as a rebounding half back than he has been having spent more time running through the midfield. Towards the end of this year, I reckon Ross played him in more accountable roles on opposition small forwards and he did a good job. In the game vs the Swans IMO he was one of our better players.

However, I go back to the initial point. He's probably around 10-15 on the list and has, arguably, his best days behind him. As someone else pointed out, I agree that he loves the club and has good mates, however, it is a professional footy club - and it is for the likes of Pelchen to be making these sorts of calls - obviously without ruining the fabric of the place. Clearly the salary cap is an issue. People who whine about how we got into this sort of trouble are clueless as the Bombers had this trouble a decade ago, the Cats have lost players (GAblett and Mumford) and the pies look like they will lose players also. Hard call, but if it were to come down to say Gram, Raph or Gilbert, then that is the order I would be losing them in.

For mine, if he were to go to the Roos, then these are possible deals....

Gram + pick 42 (Saints 2nd round) FOR pick 18 (Roos first round)

If Roos won't give up their first round pick then....

Gram + pick 20 (Saints 1st round) FOR pick 18 (Roos 1st round) + pick 40 (Roos 2nd round)

stinger · Post: # 1159618Post **stinger** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:19am

dogs questioning ray's contract terms???...thought he was out of contract...

joffaboy · Post: # 1159619Post **joffaboy** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:20am

He we keep Gram just to s.hit barks

stkildathunda · Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:21am

stinger wrote:dogs questioning ray's contract terms???...thought he was out of contract...

But he has to sign a new contract if he goes elsewhere, might depend on what he wants.

Dal_Santos_Gal · Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:23am

I hope we keep Ray, I think he has been a REALLY good pick up for us.

samoht · Post: # 1159625Post **samoht** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:31am

Ray is a good player who will benefit from a better coach - his best football was early on and RL slowly stifled him... IMO.

He can provide valuable run under a new more positive coach with a positive game plan.. a coach who will see his real worth.

Rosco · Post: # 1159626Post **Rosco** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:34am

Old Mate wrote:
Hurricane wrote:Gram to North for Hamish McIntosh?

BANG BANG
Do it....do it

was mcintosh injured this year or just kept out by goldstein?

do they play a second ruck?

Rosco · Post: # 1159627Post **Rosco** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:35am

oh, and keep ray, he's only 25.

saintlee · Post: # 1159628Post **saintlee** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:36am

I'd like us to keep Ray, think he's quite under-rated myself.

Not too fussed about trading Gram, Dawson, or Peake if the right deal comes up....

gringo · Post: # 1159631Post **gringo** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:39am

savatage wrote:
SainterK wrote: May be the best thing for him in the long run to get a fresh start somewhere.

Yep coz I guess getting traded once already didn't give him the kick in the arse he needed to pull his finger out consistently...

He was an injury prone saints fan in brissies best era who wanted to be traded to us.

Old Mate · Post: # 1159632Post **Old Mate** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:39am

samoht wrote:Ray is a good player who will benefit from a better coach - his best football was early on and RL slowly stifled him... IMO.

He can provide valuable run under a new more positive coach with a positive game plan.. a coach who will see his real worth.

Ray like gram has questionable skills and decision making. these are the type of guys we should be trying to off load if we need salary cap relief. raph another.

Hurricane · Post: # 1159633Post **Hurricane** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:40am

Rosco wrote:
Old Mate wrote:
Hurricane wrote:Gram to North for Hamish McIntosh?

BANG BANG
Do it....do it
was mcintosh injured this year or just kept out by goldstein?

do they play a second ruck?

Got hurt and then Goldsteins form kept him out of the team.

BANG BANG

gringo · Post: # 1159635Post **gringo** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:40am

Rosco wrote:
Old Mate wrote:
Hurricane wrote:Gram to North for Hamish McIntosh?

BANG BANG
Do it....do it
was mcintosh injured this year or just kept out by goldstein?

do they play a second ruck?

That would be win win. Injury restricted talented players who have lost some value. Just can't see the advantage to our cap.

Old Mate · Post: # 1159636Post **Old Mate** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 9:43am

The only issue i see with mcintosh is his age. hes from the same draft as roo and kosi and getting on. id prefer maric.

fugazi · Post: # 1159649Post **fugazi** » Tue 11 Oct 2011 10:04am

Be a shame to lose Peake IMO, had a really good last hgalf of the year, has the run in the last qtr to win games, valuable linkman and does alot of unrewarded work off the ball with his fitness.