can someone tell me why...

[6621104]

As we seem to be on the wrong end of the count every game, which by the way makes corruption unlikely, answers such as it is just the rub of the green can be discounted. We would not be such obvious outliers in the free kick differential. the systematic nature of t he differential makes only a few explanations plausible. 1. We do not know how to tackle and the free kicks are there to the opposition as are those paid to us. They misss getting just as many as we do and the location of the frees should be random over the ground and proportional to the time spent forward or back. 2. There is a true bias against the saints which may be unconscious - what Explains the bias? Our jumper somehow makes it hard to see when we are held, tackled high, pushed in a marking contest etc, our game style makes us prone to giving away free kicks tho I don't know why, we just don't know how to "play" for frees. I am sure there are other explanations. The ones we can control- Tackle properly, do not scrag just because you are smaller and outmatched, kick to advantage , figure out from data over the years whether it is an optical effect ( if the differential is occurring only now the jumper is an unlikely cause), AND most importantly if it is an unconscious bias from the umpires POINT IT OUT!

[gringo]

Didn't help that they called one new rule the sam Fisher rule and one the Ahmed saad rule no other players were singled out.

If you showed a terrorist video to soldiers with one racial group the ones featured it will give them a biased impression. I'm still for the umpires guaranteeing the margins.


It often happens that we are better value than we deserve and then get hammered by umpires. it was interesting in the North game that we got a few frees back and piled on the goals then the frees dried up.

[stinger]

Have a mate who umpired VFL and AFL - good standard umpire and reasonably well known. Has told me on numerous drinking occasions that he grew up supporting Geelong and hated Saints, pretty much we were his "Collingwood". Said it was natural that those biases were brought into games and loved every chance to crucify us.

something i hinted at in an earlier post.....

[stinger]

As we seem to be on the wrong end of the count every game, which by the way makes corruption unlikely, answers such as it is just the rub of the green can be discounted. We would not be such obvious outliers in the free kick differential. the systematic nature of t he differential makes only a few explanations plausible. 1. We do not know how to tackle and the free kicks are there to the opposition as are those paid to us. They misss getting just as many as we do and the location of the frees should be random over the ground and proportional to the time spent forward or back. 2. There is a true bias against the saints which may be unconscious - what Explains the bias? Our jumper somehow makes it hard to see when we are held, tackled high, pushed in a marking contest etc, our game style makes us prone to giving away free kicks tho I don't know why, we just don't know how to "play" for frees. I am sure there are other explanations. The ones we can control- Tackle properly, do not scrag just because you are smaller and outmatched, kick to advantage , figure out from data over the years whether it is an optical effect ( if the differential is occurring only now the jumper is an unlikely cause), AND most importantly if it is an unconscious bias from the umpires POINT IT OUT!

maybe...personally i go for the corrupt rather than the bias/hatred road......maybe someone put the umpires holiday funds on the saints scoring the least free kicks for the year.......on track to collect big time if that were so.......

[8856brother]

Have a mate who umpired VFL and AFL - good standard umpire and reasonably well known. Has told me on numerous drinking occasions that he grew up supporting Geelong and hated Saints, pretty much we were his "Collingwood". Said it was natural that those biases were brought into games and loved every chance to crucify us.

Thoughts Plugger?

[plugger66]

Yes i am saying that and yes you maybe able to bet on the frees but I doubt it. Are you actually saying umpires know how many frees they will give in a game?

If the biggest sports in the world, baseball, cricket, soccer can have corrupt officials, how can you blanket deny that umpires in Australian Rules, especially ones that are so protected and the rules intrepretations so ambigious, that they cant be corrupted? Why is Aussie Rules so different to every other sport and every other aspect of life that can easily be corrupted.

If you know anything about spot fixing, it would be easy for them to say, NOT GIVE A FREE KICK IN THE FIRST QUARTER TO ONE TEAM. Easy to do that. I am sure that may have even happened in a game recently.

Now of course I am not saying the umpires were paid off on a spot fix bet, but it would be easy for it to happen. Easier in cricket with balls and overs, but still can occur.

but hey you say it cant happen. You give absolutely no reason for WHY it couldn't happen, but apparently because you have umpired you know that it cant happen.

Well thats all the proof we all need then

All I will say JB is one thing. When did I say it cant happen? I said I doubt it which IMO is reasonable enough. Each to their own. If people want to follow a game where they think it happens then good on them. Id rather think it probably doesnt happen.

[plugger66]

Have a mate who umpired VFL and AFL - good standard umpire and reasonably well known. Has told me on numerous drinking occasions that he grew up supporting Geelong and hated Saints, pretty much we were his "Collingwood". Said it was natural that those biases were brought into games and loved every chance to crucify us.

Thoughts Plugger?

My thoughts are if this was true then the pies would get the most free kicks every year. Cant remember one year that has happened. And why would we be hated more than any other clubs. Over my life I have known 4 AFL/ VFL umpires and have never heard anything like that. And I reckon if an umpirte showed bias to a side they would be dropped unless of cause the coaches are in on it. And that makes so much sense.

[SaintPav]

Have a mate who umpired VFL and AFL - good standard umpire and reasonably well known. Has told me on numerous drinking occasions that he grew up supporting Geelong and hated Saints, pretty much we were his "Collingwood". Said it was natural that those biases were brought into games and loved every chance to crucify us.

Thoughts Plugger?

Like in the 2009 GF when Schneider didn't get the free when he had his jumper clearly pulled but Ablett gets the same free 5 min before which ends up a goal.

Muppets like Mark Fine don't help the cause. He never wants to talk about umpiring decisions unless it goes for the Saints.

Case point: his show on Friday night after the 2010 qualifying final was all about the umpires and how he thought the free against Mooney which saved the game for us was a disgrace. I lost any respect I had for him after that show and have not listened to him since as he is a phoney.

[plugger66]

Have a mate who umpired VFL and AFL - good standard umpire and reasonably well known. Has told me on numerous drinking occasions that he grew up supporting Geelong and hated Saints, pretty much we were his "Collingwood". Said it was natural that those biases were brought into games and loved every chance to crucify us.

Thoughts Plugger?

Like in the 2009 GF when Schneider didn't get the free when he had his jumper clearly pulled but Ablett gets the same free 5 min before which ends up a goal.

Muppets like Mark Fine don't help the cause. He never wants to talk about umpiring decisions unless it goes for the Saints.

Case point: his show on Friday night after the 2010 qualifying final was all about the umpires and how he thought the free against Mooney which saved the game for us was a disgrace. I lost any respect I had for him after that show and have not listened to him since as he is a phoney.

Finey is now an umpire and guess who he umpires with?

[SaintPav]

no idea.

[plugger66]

no idea.

Neither do I but I have heard him say he now umpires. Probably means he now understands how hard and how boring the topic is.

[SaintPav]

no idea.

Neither do I but I have heard him say he now umpires. Probably means he now understands how hard and how boring the topic is.

Yours truly?

It's boring when he says it's boring but controversial when he says its controversial and suits his show and his agenda.


I've spoken to him in real life. He's not a bad person but he loves the sound of his own voice and there's never a break in the conversation.

[CURLY]

Umpires like players want to be involved in finals and more so Grand Finals. To do this they need to create as little as controversy as possible. Upsetting a Collingwood or Essendon creates far more controversy and bad media than against StKilda its that simple.

[stinger]

Umpires like players want to be involved in finals and more so Grand Finals. To do this they need to create as little as controversy as possible. Upsetting a Collingwood or Essendon creates far more controversy and bad media than against StKilda its that simple.

makes sense to me....