Can you summarise what those points were, save me a lot of readinghappy feet wrote:P66 and Con, do us all a favour and give us a rest. You have both made your points clear.
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Can you summarise what those points were, save me a lot of readinghappy feet wrote:P66 and Con, do us all a favour and give us a rest. You have both made your points clear.
It would be due to gravity of the crime being alleged. While drug cheating is not nice, it is not in the same league as rape.Bluto wrote:I hope I am not going off topic but can someone explain how in the case of Watson who admits to using banned substances is permitted to play this weekend for Essendon, yet Milney who pleads his innocence is banned from playing football for us? Do Essendon and St Kilda apply completely different standards? I know the matters are different in circumstances but in my view we have a situation where a perpetrator is rewarded, and the other guy pleading his innocence is punished.
Milne isn't guilty yet.Con Gorozidis wrote:1. Breaching the drug code is not a crime .
2. Milne has been charged with a crime of a sexual nature.
3. Asada have their own tribunual process and each player will have to have their case heard at a tribunual hearing before they are banned from playing.
These 3 reasons explain why Jobe is free to play and there are no double standards at play.
Bloody oath he isn'tmagnifisaint wrote:Milne isn't guilty yet.Con Gorozidis wrote:1. Breaching the drug code is not a crime .
2. Milne has been charged with a crime of a sexual nature.
3. Asada have their own tribunual process and each player will have to have their case heard at a tribunual hearing before they are banned from playing.
These 3 reasons explain why Jobe is free to play and there are no double standards at play.
Griggsy wrote:So according to the footy show Essendon are confident in this going to court and winning.
Their argument is that "Yes the drug is banned, but it is not illegal"
While I do get the difference, I don't understand how this will save them from bans from competition (but then again I know little of law). They also called it a 'high stakes game', a failure at the levels they are going to defend would mean huge penalties.
My goodness, if this is Essendon's argument I wish I was the prosecution!Griggsy wrote:So according to the footy show Essendon are confident in this going to court and winning.
Their argument is that "Yes the drug is banned, but it is not illegal"
While I do get the difference, I don't understand how this will save them from bans from competition (but then again I know little of law). They also called it a 'high stakes game', a failure at the levels they are going to defend would mean huge penalties.
Isn't the act of cheating to obtain financial gain considered fraud? Why else would the ACC be involved?Con Gorozidis wrote:1. Breaching the drug code is not a crime .
2. Milne has been charged with a crime of a sexual nature.
3. Asada have their own tribunual process and each player will have to have their case heard at a tribunual hearing before they are banned from playing.
These 3 reasons explain why Jobe is free to play and there are no double standards at play.
I believe the ACC are involved in this because of the purported link to Organized Crime.Life Long Saint wrote:Isn't the act of cheating to obtain financial gain considered fraud? Why else would the ACC be involved?Con Gorozidis wrote:1. Breaching the drug code is not a crime .
2. Milne has been charged with a crime of a sexual nature.
3. Asada have their own tribunual process and each player will have to have their case heard at a tribunual hearing before they are banned from playing.
These 3 reasons explain why Jobe is free to play and there are no double standards at play.
Isn't the standard practice of ASADA/WADA to stand the athlete down whilst investigations are being conducted?
At the very least, Watson should be issued with an infraction notice as he confessed to using a banned substance. Whether or not he thought it was legal is irrelevant.
gringo wrote:My wife works with people close to Essendon footy club and they believe that there will be no penalty. Their legal team is extremely confident. It wasn't banned according to them and they will fight this in court and have the back up of blaming it all on Dank. AFL has a fight on their hands to even fight this in court. A nominal fine is all I'm thinking will come from it.
It was meant to be legal according to the ASADA website at the time.
Does that have any implications to Essendon or just those who had the direct connection to the crime figures?Mr Magic wrote:I believe the ACC are involved in this because of the purported link to Organized Crime.Life Long Saint wrote:Isn't the act of cheating to obtain financial gain considered fraud? Why else would the ACC be involved?Con Gorozidis wrote:1. Breaching the drug code is not a crime .
2. Milne has been charged with a crime of a sexual nature.
3. Asada have their own tribunual process and each player will have to have their case heard at a tribunual hearing before they are banned from playing.
These 3 reasons explain why Jobe is free to play and there are no double standards at play.
Isn't the standard practice of ASADA/WADA to stand the athlete down whilst investigations are being conducted?
At the very least, Watson should be issued with an infraction notice as he confessed to using a banned substance. Whether or not he thought it was legal is irrelevant.
There are apparently recordings in existence (from ACC wiretaps) linking the importation/distribution of peptides etc to 'organized crime figures'.
That part of this investigation seems to have been pretty much ignored by the footy media so far, instead concentrating on the players/coaches usage angle.
One is a criminal matter, one isn't.Bluto wrote:I hope I am not going off topic but can someone explain how in the case of Watson who admits to using banned substances is permitted to play this weekend for Essendon, yet Milney who pleads his innocence is banned from playing football for us? Do Essendon and St Kilda apply completely different standards? I know the matters are different in circumstances but in my view we have a situation where a perpetrator is rewarded, and the other guy pleading his innocence is punished.
I don't know.saintspremiers wrote:Does that have any implications to Essendon or just those who had the direct connection to the crime figures?Mr Magic wrote: I believe the ACC are involved in this because of the purported link to Organized Crime.
There are apparently recordings in existence (from ACC wiretaps) linking the importation/distribution of peptides etc to 'organized crime figures'.
That part of this investigation seems to have been pretty much ignored by the footy media so far, instead concentrating on the players/coaches usage angle.
I didn't take it that way.Spinner wrote:gringo wrote:My wife works with people close to Essendon footy club and they believe that there will be no penalty. Their legal team is extremely confident. It wasn't banned according to them and they will fight this in court and have the back up of blaming it all on Dank. AFL has a fight on their hands to even fight this in court. A nominal fine is all I'm thinking will come from it.
It was meant to be legal according to the ASADA website at the time.
Boom!
They said this last night on the footy show. Looks to be on the money regarding Essendon's thinking right now.
What a bunch of arrogant holes... Fair dinkum, how they came to use the drugs is a side issue.. The important FACT is that they have used banned substances.Spinner wrote:gringo wrote:My wife works with people close to Essendon footy club and they believe that there will be no penalty. Their legal team is extremely confident. It wasn't banned according to them and they will fight this in court and have the back up of blaming it all on Dank. AFL has a fight on their hands to even fight this in court. A nominal fine is all I'm thinking will come from it.
It was meant to be legal according to the ASADA website at the time.
Boom!
They said this last night on the footy show. Looks to be on the money regarding Essendon's thinking right now.
And not one player thought, Gee I am getting much bigger in past 6 months than all those years in the Gym, and arent I playing well, and Gee I feel like I can train all day.Mr Magic wrote:I don't know.saintspremiers wrote:Does that have any implications to Essendon or just those who had the direct connection to the crime figures?Mr Magic wrote: I believe the ACC are involved in this because of the purported link to Organized Crime.
There are apparently recordings in existence (from ACC wiretaps) linking the importation/distribution of peptides etc to 'organized crime figures'.
That part of this investigation seems to have been pretty much ignored by the footy media so far, instead concentrating on the players/coaches usage angle.
I was told by someone who heard it from another AFL club (not us) that the organized crime link to peptides and AFL players was the 'real story' here - not to diminish Essendon's culpability in trying to attain an advantage over the rest of the competition by use of chemical stimulants.
In all the argy bargy about who knows what, 1 thing is not in dispute.
Essendon decided on a plan to chemically stimulate their playing group in an effort to gain an advantage.
They KNEW that what they were getting involved in was 'questionable' (Bomber Thompson admitted it).
They went to great lengths to 'hide it'
They asked their players to sign 'consent forms' so that there would be no legal comeback against the club if the shyte hit the fan.
All this public gnashing of teeth over the poor Essendon players is laughable.
Surely there was 1 single player at Essendon last year who wasn't a moron and would have asked why am I signing this form and why am I getting injected repeatedly by someone who's not the Club doctor?
Not a single player on the list showed their manager/agent/legal advisor/parent/sibling/friend/confidante/wife/partner etc the form?
Not a single person raised any questions about all this?
Unbelievable to anybody with a skerrick of intelligence.
And the sycophantic footy media just laps up every tidbit the PR spin merchants advise the Essendon cheats to give them.