For he's (not) a Jolly good fellow?

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Post: # 1421881Post Teflon »

saintbrat wrote:Club was still deciding as early as this morning.....
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-27/j ... st-a-saint
It was Weller who won out, after impressing with his application over the past three weeks while training with the Saints.

"While Maverick is a much younger player than Darren, both would have complemented needs on our playing list and ultimately we felt that Maverick suited our needs in a more immediate capacity than Darren, having brought in Hickey last year and Longer this year," Pelchen said.

"We felt that we want to give them every opportunity to play at senior level consistently and hence why we made the decision we did
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This is a smart club decision grounded in common sense to our current situation

It gives me hope

I fear had Watters stayed and had his way....Jolly would be on our list and his gravy train.


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Sainternist wrote:Was a tad surprised we (nor any other club) didn't take Jolly in the draft this morning. Would have gone cheap, we'd have an experienced ruckman to show the younger talls (Hickey, Longer and Stanley) the ropes and potentially he could have evolved into a ruck coach for us a la Steven King a few years back.

Interested to know the main reasons why we gave the option of picking him up a swerve. The most obvious reason would be that he wouldn't be a long term acquisition. Do we now have a youth policy going in full swing much like the Stan Alves era?

Discuss.
1/ Sorry if you want a coach...you hire a coach!

2/ We are not in finals tilt mode we do not need experienced players on our rookie list as back-ups = we are wasting a rookie spot for no reason

3/ We have Hickey, Longer. Stanley )all of whom can play comfortably as No 1 ruck), Pierce and the Rookie Holmes = as we are in rebuild mode that is ample

4/ If we had picked him up playing him at either the Saints or Sandy would have interfered with developing he young rucks that we do have.
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Post: # 1421885Post The Fireman »

anyone who wears the black and white is tainted.

Maybe an exorcism for Banger....he hasn't played for them.


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Post: # 1421889Post Dr Spaceman »

@theagesport: Darren Jolly blasts Nathan Buckley as a 'coward' http://t.co/Zf6MV7X92r


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Post: # 1421893Post The Fireman »

Dr Spaceman wrote:@theagesport: Darren Jolly blasts Nathan Buckley as a 'coward' http://t.co/Zf6MV7X92r
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Dr Spaceman wrote:@theagesport: Darren Jolly blasts Nathan Buckley as a 'coward' http://t.co/Zf6MV7X92r
Move on with some dignity....!


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ChelseaGuy wrote:Happy Saints made the call to develop the young talent. As noted by others. jolly adds little to the long term success of the club.
Agreed!


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Post: # 1421902Post dragit »

Dr Spaceman wrote:@theagesport: Darren Jolly blasts Nathan Buckley as a 'coward' http://t.co/Zf6MV7X92r
"Telling it like it is..."

Wow, he can't be too bright, won't do much for his future job prospects, some things are just better left unsaid.


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dragit wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:@theagesport: Darren Jolly blasts Nathan Buckley as a 'coward' http://t.co/Zf6MV7X92r
"Telling it like it is..."

Wow, he can't be too bright, won't do much for his future job prospects, some things are just better left unsaid.

Darren Jolly = knobcoat. With extra cheese. Should be grateful to the Pies for parachuting him into a premiership side.


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Waltzing St Kilda wrote:
dragit wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:@theagesport: Darren Jolly blasts Nathan Buckley as a 'coward' http://t.co/Zf6MV7X92r
"Telling it like it is..."

Wow, he can't be too bright, won't do much for his future job prospects, some things are just better left unsaid.

Darren Jolly = knobcoat. With extra cheese. Should be grateful to the Pies for parachuting him into a premiership side.
He sounds like one that we dont want at our club, seems to be disruptive


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Interesting to me that while The Age runs an article this morning detailing Jolly's criticism of Buckley including this quote:

''Just the excuses he gave me in that meeting were all bulls*** and that was the hardest thing to stomach, that he was a coward, really. We had a problem. He had an issue with me and I had an issue with him. And I'm not the only one. There's a lot of players there that are in that same boat" http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/d ... z2lsR2ZXWe

Yet the Herald Sun, which also runs an article on Jolly, relates nothing of his spat with Buckley.

Either The Age have a scoop or the suspicion that the HS is Eddy's mouthpiece has just grown


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Post: # 1421913Post saintspremiers »

Looks like Princess Jolly will have to join another league.

WAFL?


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I think his manager killed his career when he came out and said something along the lines of Jolly wants to be #1 ruck and will play 18+ games for whoever takes him. That would've stunted the development of our kids, and it also showed he wasn't interested in being a mentor or a backup, he wanted it to be the Jolly.


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Post: # 1421916Post Spinner »

Fair call to having his say.

Hope it doesn't affect his coaching prospects...


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hi is just telling us something we already knew


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Post: # 1421936Post resaintlee »

Dr Spaceman wrote:@theagesport: Darren Jolly blasts Nathan Buckley as a 'coward' http://t.co/Zf6MV7X92r
Anyone who speaks like this about their past employment is bound to sooner or later be doing it about their new job. I am so glad we didn't take him as the negatives would certainly outweigh the positives.


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dragit wrote:There just aren't enough spots on the list to have blokes that are primarily there for coaching purposes.
Exactly coaches don't need to be on playing lists, clogging up a place and having their pay included in the salary cap.
Jolly at this point in time may be a better ruckman than all of our potential ruckmen but we should never give him a game.
Our primary purpose is to teach the young guys by giving them game time and responsibility.

Hire him only as a coach.


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Fidelis wrote:Interesting to me that while The Age runs an article this morning detailing Jolly's criticism of Buckley including this quote:

''Just the excuses he gave me in that meeting were all bulls*** and that was the hardest thing to stomach, that he was a coward, really. We had a problem. He had an issue with me and I had an issue with him. And I'm not the only one. There's a lot of players there that are in that same boat" http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/d ... z2lsR2ZXWe

Yet the Herald Sun, which also runs an article on Jolly, relates nothing of his spat with Buckley.

Either The Age have a scoop or the suspicion that the HS is Eddy's mouthpiece has just grown
The story is there http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/twotim ... 6769940335


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Pretty clear that Pelchin and probably Richo don't want delisted old players at the end of their career for any reason- Jolly is past it by a long way.


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Wrong forum.
Should be in "Opposition & Other Sports"


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Post: # 1421957Post Teflon »

Thank fork Watters left

Vindication in this decision alone - Watters as Hun reports would've taken this turkey...... and I suspect is the reason TDL got on..... what a clown


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Watters didn't leave. He got thrown out.


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Post: # 1421959Post WellardSaint »

Malthouse infected Watters with the disease of taking recycled players
that used to play for them in previous teams, who have no real prospects.
Like rummaging thru an op-shop for a cheap bargain.
TDL from WAFL
Malthouse took Dale Thomas with ongoing medical issues


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Post: # 1421961Post SaintPav »

plugger66 wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Heard that idiot Denham have another crack at the Saints on SEN this morning.

Discussing where Jolly may end up Denham mentioned us but now said it would be Esssendon or nothing because "St Kilda stuffed up". Poor communications with his management following Watters departure apparently.

Maybe we just lost interst in him. Maybe Watters was the one pushing for him. Maybe Longer coming on board meant we no longer needed him? Who knows?

But if we "stuffed up" then I'm glad we "stuffed up". Like many others I didn't want him at Seaford.

Anyway, move on Denham :roll:

That was exactly how I thought. Wish someone would ring him tomorrow and ask if all other 17 clubs stuffed up or were all 18 smart enough to say no.
It was implied that we stuffed him around as we only told him last minute that we were not taking him.

It’s probably standard practice by clubs to keep selections under wraps as no one wants to give anything away.

Saad was also probably told at the last minute that he wasn't going to get picked up and he was a St Kilda player.

It's easier to go with we’re a rabble etc. etc…


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saintbrat wrote:Club was still deciding as early as this morning.....
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-27/j ... st-a-saint
It was Weller who won out, after impressing with his application over the past three weeks while training with the Saints.

"While Maverick is a much younger player than Darren, both would have complemented needs on our playing list and ultimately we felt that Maverick suited our needs in a more immediate capacity than Darren, having brought in Hickey last year and Longer this year," Pelchen said.

"We felt that we want to give them every opportunity to play at senior level consistently and hence why we made the decision we did
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makes sense to me...


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