Can we end the Maister experiment please....

[plugger66]

I still find it very difficult to bend my head around how Maister is on our list but Tom Lynch isn't.

Just an absolute head shaker.

Lynch's situation is one reason why Ill never fully respect Lyon's time at our club.

You do realise Lynch played only one more game in his first year at Adelaide so it seems they didnt see anything spacial there. And he did play 5 games in his last year with us and didnt do much at all in any of them. By the way Lynch left after RL left. It may have been due to not getting a game but Walsh left for the same reason apperantly and rumours were Armo wanted to leave but he stayed. Lych could have stayed as he knew RL had left. Maybe he actually diidnt think he was good enough to get a game at our club.

[gringo]

I still find it very difficult to bend my head around how Maister is on our list but Tom Lynch isn't.

Just an absolute head shaker.

Lynch's situation is one reason why Ill never fully respect Lyon's time at our club.

You do realise Lynch played only one more game in his first year at Adelaide so it seems they didnt see anything spacial there. And he did play 5 games in his last year with us and didnt do much at all in any of them. By the way Lynch left after RL left. It may have been due to not getting a game but Walsh left for the same reason apperantly and rumours were Armo wanted to leave but he stayed. Lych could have stayed as he knew RL had left. Maybe he actually diidnt think he was good enough to get a game at our club.

He claimed it was as simple as the Crows approached him and laid out a plan of where they thought his career could go at the crows. They lost Gunston and wanted to get a player with similar traits and still at an age where he a lot of development was ahead of him would be my guess. He will be a pretty good player and somehow our club failed to make him believe in a future here. Sad state of affairs as he was a local boy who followed the Saints.

[stinger]

I still find it very difficult to bend my head around how Maister is on our list but Tom Lynch isn't.

Just an absolute head shaker.

Lynch's situation is one reason why Ill never fully respect Lyon's time at our club.

You do realise Lynch played only one more game in his first year at Adelaide so it seems they didnt see anything spacial there. And he did play 5 games in his last year with us and didnt do much at all in any of them. By the way Lynch left after RL left. It may have been due to not getting a game but Walsh left for the same reason apperantly and rumours were Armo wanted to leave but he stayed. Lych could have stayed as he knew RL had left. Maybe he actually diidnt think he was good enough to get a game at our club.

He claimed it was as simple as the Crows approached him and laid out a plan of where they thought his career could go at the crows. They lost Gunston and wanted to get a player with similar traits and still at an age where he a lot of development was ahead of him would be my guess. He will be a pretty good player and somehow our club failed to make him believe in a future here. Sad state of affairs as he was a local boy who followed the Saints.

like con i blame lyin.....didn't put any time or effort into the young ones...certainly not game time.....he cared about his future ...not the boys or the saints.......you all know what i think of him......

[Con Gorozidis]

I still find it very difficult to bend my head around how Maister is on our list but Tom Lynch isn't.

Just an absolute head shaker.

Lynch's situation is one reason why Ill never fully respect Lyon's time at our club.

You do realise Lynch played only one more game in his first year at Adelaide so it seems they didnt see anything spacial there. And he did play 5 games in his last year with us and didnt do much at all in any of them. By the way Lynch left after RL left. It may have been due to not getting a game but Walsh left for the same reason apperantly and rumours were Armo wanted to leave but he stayed. Lych could have stayed as he knew RL had left. Maybe he actually diidnt think he was good enough to get a game at our club.

What a surprise - plugger defending anyone who works at the club 100% and never ever ever conceding anyone at the club could be anything but perfect.
The fact he was a high draft pick - he got stuff all opportunities - it is well know Lyon did not talk to young or fringe players - let alone encourage them and let alone give them any games. The fact is he left and we should have kept him. Its the clubs mistake.

Lets just cut to the chase here - the fundamental difference between you and me is you believe and support every single person who works at the club and think that the club always knows best and anything bad that happens is not their fault.

This is where we fundamentally part ways. We have won ONE flag in 120 years! Now using the theory that a room full of monkeys and a keyboard could eventually write the works of Shakespeare - 1 flag in 120 years is seriously disgraceful. Even with monkeys running the joint we should have fluked 2 by now.

It is statistically obvious that we have had many many many incompetent people woking at the club over the years and many many mistakes have been made.

This is why I won't just swallow 'the club knows best' line that you perpetually push day in day out on here.

The fact is we stuffed up over T Lynch - it is obvious. Just accept the obvious and move on.

[plugger66]

I still find it very difficult to bend my head around how Maister is on our list but Tom Lynch isn't.

Just an absolute head shaker.

Lynch's situation is one reason why Ill never fully respect Lyon's time at our club.

You do realise Lynch played only one more game in his first year at Adelaide so it seems they didnt see anything spacial there. And he did play 5 games in his last year with us and didnt do much at all in any of them. By the way Lynch left after RL left. It may have been due to not getting a game but Walsh left for the same reason apperantly and rumours were Armo wanted to leave but he stayed. Lych could have stayed as he knew RL had left. Maybe he actually diidnt think he was good enough to get a game at our club.

What a surprise - plugger defending anyone who works at the club 100% and never ever ever conceding anyone at the club could be anything but perfect.
The fact he was a high draft pick - he got stuff all opportunities - it is well know Lyon did not talk to young or fringe players - let alone encourage them and let alone give them any games. The fact is he left and we should have kept him. Its the clubs mistake.

Lets just cut to the chase here - the fundamental difference between you and me is you believe and support every single person who works at the club and think that the club always knows best and anything bad that happens is not their fault.

This is where we fundamentally part ways. We have won ONE flag in 120 years! Now using the theory that a room full of monkeys and a keyboard could eventually write the works of Shakespeare - 1 flag in 120 years is seriously disgraceful. Even with monkeys running the joint we should have fluked 2 by now.

It is statistically obvious that we have had many many many incompetent people woking at the club over the years and many many mistakes have been made.

This is why I won't just swallow 'the club knows best' line that you perpetually push day in day out on here.

The fact is we stuffed up over T Lynch - it is obvious. Just accept the obvious and move on.

You dont like it when people make you look silly. Pity it aint that hard. Con I have had enough of you and as such I wont ignore you but I will laugh at you. Lych played one more game at Adelaide in his first year that he did in his last at the saints. Thems the facts but its pretty obvious you dont like facts. Is it really well known RL didnt talk to young players? How do you know this.

[joffaboy]

What a surprise - plugger defending anyone who works at the club 100% and never ever ever conceding anyone at the club could be anything but perfect.
The fact he was a high draft pick - he got stuff all opportunities - it is well know Lyon did not talk to young or fringe players - let alone encourage them and let alone give them any games. The fact is he left and we should have kept him. Its the clubs mistake.

Lets just cut to the chase here - the fundamental difference between you and me is you believe and support every single person who works at the club and think that the club always knows best and anything bad that happens is not their fault.

This is where we fundamentally part ways. We have won ONE flag in 120 years! Now using the theory that a room full of monkeys and a keyboard could eventually write the works of Shakespeare - 1 flag in 120 years is seriously disgraceful. Even with monkeys running the joint we should have fluked 2 by now.

It is statistically obvious that we have had many many many incompetent people woking at the club over the years and many many mistakes have been made.

This is why I won't just swallow 'the club knows best' line that you perpetually push day in day out on here.

The fact is we stuffed up over T Lynch - it is obvious. Just accept the obvious and move on.

greatest load of garbage I have read on here for some time. How many did Lynch kick for Adelaide on the weekend? Was he injued?

Lynch was and is a slow hack who left after lyon was gone. And all your facts, like your statement on Eddy being a space filler are nothing more than ignorant suppisition.

I know for a fact that Lyon engaged very much with the young players, so you are completely and utterly wrong on that count.

[Dis Believer]

Sorry to interrupt you girls bickering, but I though this thread was about Maister ??

Despite the fact that I love his endeavour, and determination, I have come to the conclusion that a guy playing as a KPF getting, what, one goal?< in four games is probably due for a stint at Sandy. I understand thte structure argument, and I am vrey much in favour of mature hardened bodies doing the heavy lifting so we don't overdo things on the developing bodies on our young recruits, but seriously, one goal !!

There is a limit, and I think we have reached it.

And for the record, didn't we bring in Maister (Wilkes at the time) BECAUSE we had lost Lynch, Dawson and Walsh in the off-season and needed some mature depth for our tall player stocks. And didn't Adelaide go after Lynch because they had lost Gunston, and had Walker or Tippett getting injured a lot?

Then Lynch got his chance because they lost TIppett as well and Walker did a knee (or some other serious injury)?

If memory serves me, Wilkes was brought in more as a Dawson replacement and then proved more adept (and needed) up forward. The conversation is moot, because Lynch is not at our club, and Maister is, and their relevant arrivals and departures occured under a different regime.

Focus on the present.

The topic at hand is Maister, not Lynch............

[plugger66]

Sorry to interrupt you girls bickering, but I though this thread was about Maister ??

Despite the fact that I love his endeavour, and determination, I have come to the conclusion that a guy playing as a KPF getting, what, one goal?< in four games is probably due for a stint at Sandy. I understand thte structure argument, and I am vrey much in favour of mature hardened bodies doing the heavy lifting so we don't overdo things on the developing bodies on our young recruits, but seriously, one goal !!

There is a limit, and I think we have reached it.

And for the record, didn't we bring in Maister (Wilkes at the time) BECAUSE we had lost Lynch, Dawson and Walsh in the off-season and needed some mature depth for our tall player stocks. And didn't Adelaide go after Lynch because they had lost Gunston, and had Walker or Tippett getting injured a lot?

Then Lynch got his chance because they lost TIppett as well and Walker did a knee (or some other serious injury)?

If memory serves me, Wilkes was brought in more as a Dawson replacement and then proved more adept (and needed) up forward. The conversation is moot, because Lynch is not at our club, and Maister is, and their relevant arrivals and departures occured under a different regime.

Focus on the present.

The topic at hand is Maister, not Lynch............

Thanks Dad.

[The Craw]

I have stuck up for Beau in the past but the last 2 offerings have been poor. Particularly last Sunday.

He definitely needs a spell at Sandy.

[Dis Believer]

Thanks Dad.

You're welcome son............

[stinger]

I still find it very difficult to bend my head around how Maister is on our list but Tom Lynch isn't.

Just an absolute head shaker.

Lynch's situation is one reason why Ill never fully respect Lyon's time at our club.

You do realise Lynch played only one more game in his first year at Adelaide so it seems they didnt see anything spacial there. And he did play 5 games in his last year with us and didnt do much at all in any of them. By the way Lynch left after RL left. It may have been due to not getting a game but Walsh left for the same reason apperantly and rumours were Armo wanted to leave but he stayed. Lych could have stayed as he knew RL had left. Maybe he actually diidnt think he was good enough to get a game at our club.

What a surprise - plugger defending anyone who works at the club 100% and never ever ever conceding anyone at the club could be anything but perfect.
The fact he was a high draft pick - he got stuff all opportunities - it is well know Lyon did not talk to young or fringe players - let alone encourage them and let alone give them any games. The fact is he left and we should have kept him. Its the clubs mistake.

Lets just cut to the chase here - the fundamental difference between you and me is you believe and support every single person who works at the club and think that the club always knows best and anything bad that happens is not their fault.

This is where we fundamentally part ways. We have won ONE flag in 120 years! Now using the theory that a room full of monkeys and a keyboard could eventually write the works of Shakespeare - 1 flag in 120 years is seriously disgraceful. Even with monkeys running the joint we should have fluked 2 by now.

It is statistically obvious that we have had many many many incompetent people woking at the club over the years and many many mistakes have been made.

This is why I won't just swallow 'the club knows best' line that you perpetually push day in day out on here.

The fact is we stuffed up over T Lynch - it is obvious. Just accept the obvious and move on.

well said mate...but you know what the say about arguing with ...well shall we say....posters without a full load.....

[Bernard Shakey]

Beau is a spud and should never been recruited and should never have played a game for St Kilda.
He was supposedly recruited as a defender and he can't defend (which he clearly displayed on Sunday). So they try him up forward at Sandy and he kicks a couple of goals. Pick him against Melbourne (Melbourne, the team that hasn't won more than two games in a decade) he kicks three goals and he's the messiah. What happens after that? SFA!

Struggles to be a good player for Sandy. Please go back to the WAFL Beau (whatever you choose to call yourself).

[Sainternist]

Beau is a spud and should never been recruited and should never have played a game for St Kilda.
He was supposedly recruited as a defender and he can't defend (which he clearly displayed on Sunday). So they try him up forward at Sandy and he kicks a couple of goals. Pick him against Melbourne (Melbourne, the team that hasn't won more than two games in a decade) he kicks three goals and he's the messiah. What happens after that? SFA!

Struggles to be a good player for Sandy. Please go back to the WAFL Beau (whatever you choose to call yourself).

He was drafted on account of Scott Watters' bias for WA players, wasn't he?

Either way, I wouldn't worry about it. Have a feeling he played his final game of AFL level footy last Sunday.

[samuraisaint]

Sunday was bad, not just from Beau but from Rhys Stanley as well, who I thought was particularly poor. You can see now just how much better footy players are (i.e. Kosi and Blake) even when they are past their best, or their bodies are well and truly past it, compared to the new trend of athletes who get games at the elite level. Just because a person is over 194 centimetres and physically fit and strong does not automatically magically transform them into footballers at the elite level. Maister is still getting games on the back of two great games against an undermanned Melbourne, and Stanley has had two good night series/pre-season games to his credit. They need to be earning matches from back at Sandy. They have had their go.

[WellardSaint]

The club seems to have a habit of persisting with less-than-effective forwards and giving them too many games.
Thinking back to Milan Faletic, Jodi Arnol, and a lot of others.
We have been lucky with the likes of Plugger, Loewe, Reiwoldt, Hall (!!) Sidebottom, even Heatley was ok...
but for some reason, they keep playing guys who cannot fulfil potential.
It's sad, but if we had a useful bigger body with Rooey in 09 & 10...

[WellardSaint]

Maister stays.
Club has a long proud history of gifting games to spuds whose saving grace is crashing packs and bringing the ball to the ground, where our small forwards can crumb.
Oh wait.
Milne is gone... Ah, TDL will save us! between him and Milera, we have the matchwinners right there

[plugger66]

The club seems to have a habit of persisting with less-than-effective forwards and giving them too many games.
Thinking back to Milan Faletic, Jodi Arnol, and a lot of others.
We have been lucky with the likes of Plugger, Loewe, Reiwoldt, Hall (!!) Sidebottom, even Heatley was ok...
but for some reason, they keep playing guys who cannot fulfil potential.
It's sad, but if we had a useful bigger body with Rooey in 09 & 10...

I like many others used to yell out pathetic Faletic but it maybe one of the biggests myths ever at this club. I had a look at his stats recently and people on here would bedoing cart wheels if a new player came into our side and had the impact he had on the stats sheet. Yes he was a much older player than most recruits but it seems he was harshly treated by the club and the supporters.

He was a tall half forward who kicked goals and racked up possessions for a person in that position. I suggest people who didnt rate him have a look at the stats.

[Dr Spaceman]

I like many others used to yell out pathetic Faletic but it maybe one of the biggests myths ever at this club. I had a look at his stats recently and people on here would bedoing cart wheels if a new player came into our side and had the impact he had on the stats sheet. Yes he was a much older player than most recruits but it seems he was harshly treated by the club and the supporters.

He was a tall half forward who kicked goals and racked up possessions for a person in that position. I suggest people who didnt rate him have a look at the stats.

Yeah, but the name didn't help him.

Maybe if he had've been called Milan Fremendous, things could've been a whole lot different

[falka]

Gold

[dragit]

Milan Fremendous

like

[Hurricane]

If we do experiments on him like inject him with Captain America's super soldier serum and give him an adamantium skeleton like Wolverine will he cease to be a s*** football player? Because im happy to support that

BANG BANG

[gringo]

The club seems to have a habit of persisting with less-than-effective forwards and giving them too many games.
Thinking back to Milan Faletic, Jodi Arnol, and a lot of others.
We have been lucky with the likes of Plugger, Loewe, Reiwoldt, Hall (!!) Sidebottom, even Heatley was ok...
but for some reason, they keep playing guys who cannot fulfil potential.
It's sad, but if we had a useful bigger body with Rooey in 09 & 10...

I like many others used to yell out pathetic Faletic but it maybe one of the biggests myths ever at this club. I had a look at his stats recently and people on here would bedoing cart wheels if a new player came into our side and had the impact he had on the stats sheet. Yes he was a much older player than most recruits but it seems he was harshly treated by the club and the supporters.

He was a tall half forward who kicked goals and racked up possessions for a person in that position. I suggest people who didnt rate him have a look at the stats.

So you were always an A hole? Anyway it seems pretty old school that kind of thing. I noticed at the JO training that there were a few oldies near us abusing the team and one guy who looked about 90 kept yelling insults at Jason Holmes -getting irate and yelling non sensical instructions that I didn't understand and then calling him an idiot when he didn't do what ever it was. I think that must have been how it was in the old days. He was actually very good but obviously he wasn't getting his place kicks or drop kicks and his knickerbockers were too short.

[magnifisaint]

I agree with Con on Lynch. He would be so so much better than Maister. At least he knows how to mark and kick a goal.

[BigMart]

Tom Lynch is currently injured... He was injured in 2012 also.... He also went Adelaide with just 6 games experience (in 3 years at stk), was never going to be an overnight success there?

Tom Lynch is only 23yo ATM

Last year he played 17 games, 15ppg, 33 goals, 31 tackles...
Not bad numbers for a hit up fwd
He's a clever player

Newnes (I think we got for Tom, or Jimmy) will be better... But again we didn't know what we were going to get with pick?

Possibly the big issue was his selection in the first place....
Tom was a massive bolter in the draft, he was not expected to go anywhere near as high, but the whisper was StKilda in their search for a medium fwd liked him.

Overlooked Jack Trengove who was a highly rated key defender in that draft who headed to Port and has won a B&F and is now vice captain?

[BigMart]

Tom Lynch is currently injured... He was injured in 2012 also.... He also went Adelaide with just 6 games experience (in 3 years at stk), was never going to be an overnight success there?

Tom Lynch is only 23yo ATM

Last year he played 17 games, 15ppg, 33 goals, 31 tackles...
Not bad numbers for a hit up fwd
He's a clever player

Newnes (I think we got for Tom, or Jimmy) will be better... But again we didn't know what we were going to get with pick?

Possibly the big issue was his selection in the first place....
Tom was a massive bolter in the draft, he was not expected to go anywhere near as high, but the whisper was StKilda in their search for a medium fwd liked him.

Overlooked Jack Trengove who was a highly rated key defender in that draft who headed to Port and has won a B&F and is now vice captain?