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Melbourne still have edge over St Kilda in premiership race

Post: # 1612084Post saint-stu »

Julian de Stoop wrote:SINCE their inception, Gold Coast and GWS Giants have been constantly compared to one another.

Right now it’s no contest — the boys from Western Sydney are miles in front.

Wind the clock back to the mid 2000s and it was another two teams — St Kilda and Geelong — drawing the comparisons.

Despite St Kilda taking the early points, a young Paul Chapman declared Geelong had the brighter future. He was right. The Cats went on to win three flags, while the Saints came up short in 2009 and 2010.

Once again the Saints are building, but this time matching them step for step is Melbourne.

On Saturday, St Kilda won the battle at Etihad Stadium — in fact they have won the past 13 battles against the Demons — but will they win the war and snare that elusive premiership?


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The Saints’ one and only came in 1966. The Demons last triumph was two years earlier in 1964. Both teams are hungry to build on their silverware. But who is better equipped?

Let’s take a look at their respective lists.

In the ruck, Melbourne has a star in the making in Max Gawn. But if he goes down Paul Roos doesn’t have much to call on.

Tom Hickey is starting to emerge at St Kilda, with Billy Longer a more than capable understudy.

Key backs Sam Fisher and Sean Dempster are in the twilight of their careers, but next year Alan Richardson will welcome Jake Carlisle to his back six, while youngster Hugh Goddard is highly rated.

The Demons will be desperate to re-sign Tom McDonald. He’s really the club’s only A-Grade key back, although Christian Salem and Heritier Lumumba are fine running defenders.

The Saints are also served well in this area by Shane Savage and Jimmy Webster, who also provide plenty of run.

At the other end, Melbourne hopes to build a forward line around Jesse Hogan and Sam Weideman.

Jesse Hogan is a central linchpin in the Demons’ future. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
Jesse Hogan is a central linchpin in the Demons’ future. Picture: Wayne LudbeySource: News Corp Australia
St Kilda want to do likewise with Paddy McCartin and Josh Bruce. Nick Riewoldt will provide plenty of assistance for hopefully another 18 months.

The Demons have a quality small forward in Jeff Garlett, with Dean Kent and Ben Kennedy emerging, while Simon Goodwin will hope Jack Watts can become like Jack Gunston.

Jack Lonie and Jack Sinclair have made promising starts in the red, white and black.

While the teams are comparable around the ground, it’s in the midfield where Melbourne appears to have the edge when it comes to young talent. Christian Petracca, Angus Brayshaw and Clayton Oliver should be elite, while Jack Viney is still only 22, as is Dom Tyson.

Blake Acres, Jack Billings and Luke Dunstan headline the young Saints in the engine room, while Nathan Freeman has loads of talent if his hamstrings ever let him use it. Jade Gresham has made a promising start. Seb Ross and Jack Newnes continue to improve, with Leigh Montagna, David Armitage and Jack Steven guiding them along.

Nathan Jones and Bernie Vince have been outstanding in recent seasons, Tom Bugg has started his career at Melbourne in impressive style with the talented yet inconsistent Jake Melksham to be added next season.

In terms of game style, Richardson has won plenty of plaudits. The Saints were the best pressure team in the competition last season and with ball in hand they are prepared to be bold.

The Demons are getting better in this area and although their defensive systems completely failed against the Saints last week, they have improved a hell of a lot under Roos.

The Saints are hopeful Josh Bruce (centre) and Paddy McCartin (left) can emulate Nick Riewoldt. Picture: Colleen Petch.
The Saints are hopeful Josh Bruce (centre) and Paddy McCartin (left) can emulate Nick Riewoldt. Picture: Colleen Petch.Source: News Corp Australia
So the big question is who is likely to challenge first?

It’s the Demons for me.

Premiership winning teams have elite midfields and Melbourne should have one in the not-too-distant future.

The Saints’ first priority in this year’s draft should be to emulate Melbourne’s engine room in hunting out a quality midfielder.

On top of this, the Demons have a potential once-in-a-generation player in Hogan, while the Saints will soon lose their equivalent in Riewoldt.

Whoever emerges first will still have one giant hurdle standing in their way — a certain team from the west of Sydney.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/melbour ... c5e0500a3d

I don't like it but its hard to argue. Their midfield is shaping up really well.

I wonder though, if we might end up a bit more even across the ground. A bit like Geelong in the 2000s.
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Post: # 1612087Post SaintPav »

That's why they still can't beat us.

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Post: # 1612089Post stkfc1 »

This journalist has obviously never coached footy because any coach will tell you get your spine right first and worry about everything else afterwards.
FF Hogan McCartin
CHF ? Bruce
RUCK Gawn Hickey
CHB McDonald Carlisle
FB ? Goddard
They are still two KP players short and if one of those 3 goes down who replaces them? We are far more flexible at this stage. As far as midfielders on paper they may bat deeper (but not as much as the media make out IMO) but FA can solve that problem pretty quickly and for a lot less than forking out for a KPP which Melb may have to do. Id take our list every day of the week.
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Post: # 1612090Post snoopygirl »

This line said it all for mine.


On top of this, the Demons have a potential once-in-a-generation player in Hogan, while the Saints will soon lose their equivalent in Riewoldt. :shock: :roll:

Bit soon to be comparing Hogan to Roo.


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Post: # 1612091Post Mr Magic »

snoopygirl wrote:This line said it all for mine.


On top of this, the Demons have a potential once-in-a-generation player in Hogan, while the Saints will soon lose their equivalent in Riewoldt. :shock: :roll:

Bit soon to be comparing Hogan to Roo.
Not so long ago they were talking bout Watts as the 'next Roo'.

The fact is that Melbourne stared rebuilding at least 3-4 years before us and should be well in front of us at this point in time.
That they're not is a true indication of what a disaster their development as a team has been over this time period.


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Post: # 1612092Post samuraisaint »

[quote="SaintPav"]That's why they still can't beat us.




Exactly, they've lost 13 in a row against us now - most of them comfortably, and since 2004 they have only beaten us twice. So that's two games they have beaten us in narrowly, in 12 years and now they are better than us? How many will Hogan and Cameron kick against us next year with Big Jake and Goddard down back?

The Bulldogs are a different story though.
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Post: # 1612093Post Rosco »

snoopygirl wrote:This line said it all for mine.


On top of this, the Demons have a potential once-in-a-generation player in Hogan, while the Saints will soon lose their equivalent in Riewoldt. :shock: :roll:

Bit soon to be comparing Hogan to Roo.
they did say "potential". and he is going to be very very good. he's already good.


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Post: # 1612097Post samoht »

I'm pretty sure that our drafting and recruiting next year and the year after that will concentrate on landing us the best available midfielders... ready-made ones if we have to (if we finish top 8 this year). :D


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Post: # 1612098Post prwilkinson »

Mr Magic wrote:
snoopygirl wrote:This line said it all for mine.


On top of this, the Demons have a potential once-in-a-generation player in Hogan, while the Saints will soon lose their equivalent in Riewoldt. :shock: :roll:

Bit soon to be comparing Hogan to Roo.
Not so long ago they were talking bout Watts as the 'next Roo'.

The fact is that Melbourne stared rebuilding at least 3-4 years before us and should be well in front of us at this point in time.
That they're not is a true indication of what a disaster their development as a team has been over this time period.
Yeah, well said. You could go back further than that and say Melbourne have been rebuilding since the last time they beat us. I'm happy that St Kilda are just quietly going about it's business the way it is... ticking off boxes as they go. Melbourne and other clubs can have the opinions of the footy 'experts'... 90% of the time they're wrong.


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They call him Julian de Stoopido.

Farken idiot, but only one idiots opinion.

Looks like his head is firmly planted up his own arse. That's why his nose is so large. Loves to get a bigger whiff
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Post: # 1612103Post bigcarl »

Riewoldt usually smashes Melbourne single-handedly. They must crap their pants every time they see him and its part of the reason we have the wood on them. The other is Etihad, which still intimidates them.

Once Riewoldt retires it will be a much more even contest as they have some A-grade talent. But so do we and we have a more even spread across the list


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Post: # 1612104Post gone fission »

If you take out the players over the age of 30 I would say Melbourne probably are closer to building a premiership side right at the moment.


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gone fission wrote:If you take out the players over the age of 30 I would say Melbourne probably are closer to building a premiership side right at the moment.
I disagree


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Putting the Dees aside if we are going to be a genuine Top 4 team and compete with GWS we need more elite talent in our midfield .


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Don't know about Melbourne. Terrible back half and too many soft players. Viney and Nafe Jones are as hard as nails but that is about it. Oliver looks likely. If they lost Hogan they would be back to rabble and you cant rely so heavily on one bloke.


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saintsRrising wrote:Putting the Dees aside if we are going to be a genuine Top 4 team and compete with GWS we need more elite talent in our midfield .
Yep I don't think comparing ourselves to Melbourne is all that helpful or meaningful. We need to compete with GWS, Crows and the Doggies in the coming years.


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Post: # 1612170Post St Chris »

Its hard to argue that the Dees dont have a better team than the Saints - on paper. Man for man, they win more positions on the ground when they're lined up. That's why most "experts" tipped them to finish higher than us this year.

With good reason too. They've had no shortage of great draft picks, their next skipper in Viney was essentially free, and Hogan is a peach, when his mind is on the job.

What he makes no reference to is ticker, which we have plenty of, and Melbourne has none.


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Post: # 1612171Post whiskers3614 »

Melbourne and Footscray will win a flag about a year after Ross Lyon (NEVER).
Need to compare our prospects with a team that has a recent history of success, not get involved in a cripple-fight!


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Let's wait until they retain hogan, and before calling him a once in a generation player before he becomes one. And I'll bank on improvement in our midfield before they fix their problem areas.


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Post: # 1612185Post gone fission »

Griggsy wrote:Let's wait until they retain hogan, and before calling him a once in a generation player before he becomes one. And I'll bank on improvement in our midfield before they fix their problem areas.
He says potential 'once in a generation' and it's a pretty fair early call.


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Our spine is better than theirs and sorted for the next ten years. Midfielders are easier to come by . Look at freo trying to secure a decent forward . Saying that there seems to be no free agents available to us this year so that's one more year we have to rely on drafting mids or trading for them


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70s sainter wrote:Our spine is better than theirs and sorted for the next ten years. Midfielders are easier to come by . Look at freo trying to secure a decent forward . Saying that there seems to be no free agents available to us this year so that's one more year we have to rely on drafting mids or trading for them
Carlton are on top of us on the ladder.


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Jacks Back wrote: Carlton are on top of us on the ladder.
Three in a row :shock:


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Post: # 1612215Post Devilhead »

I got no problem about being written off and seen as the underdog


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