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sums it up for me ( and those who listened to me rant)

Post: # 1672208Post saintbrat »

about the jump on the headline media?

after yesterday hearing a question posed by a journalist- used as a St Kilda excuse..... by the 3rd station to discuss it.

https://beccahayblog.wordpress.com/2017 ... -the-line/
Over the course of one swift, unbelievable whitewash, Marc Murphy screaming in the face of an injured player never happened. No spitting. No problematic incident there. St Kilda were the aggressors, the agitators, the blackest of black hats. Oh how they reached, they clawed, they clamoured to their soapboxes. By weeks end Jon Ralph had somehow managed to tie the whole incident unbelievably into St Kildas gay rights advocacy (advocacy which was just honoured, in a story not coming to a Herald Sun near you). SEN footy, the SEN that gives Garry Lyon a pay cheque, decided St Kilda hated women. Wayne Carey (more on that later) got to comment on women, Carlton, the club that gave us Josh Bootsma, Heath Culpitt, Justin Murphy and Nick Stevens, took the moral high ground. After all, it’s JUST St Kilda…


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saintbrat wrote:about the jump on the headline media?

after yesterday hearing a question posed by a journalist- used as a St Kilda excuse..... by the 3rd station to discuss it.

https://beccahayblog.wordpress.com/2017 ... -the-line/
Over the course of one swift, unbelievable whitewash, Marc Murphy screaming in the face of an injured player never happened. No spitting. No problematic incident there. St Kilda were the aggressors, the agitators, the blackest of black hats. Oh how they reached, they clawed, they clamoured to their soapboxes. By weeks end Jon Ralph had somehow managed to tie the whole incident unbelievably into St Kildas gay rights advocacy (advocacy which was just honoured, in a story not coming to a Herald Sun near you). SEN footy, the SEN that gives Garry Lyon a pay cheque, decided St Kilda hated women. Wayne Carey (more on that later) got to comment on women, Carlton, the club that gave us Josh Bootsma, Heath Culpitt, Justin Murphy and Nick Stevens, took the moral high ground. After all, it’s JUST St Kilda…
Only true account of what really happended to be reduced to print.

Too f****** good not to be reproduced in full.

I ask that anyone who wants to really learn the truth , to read the article. It is really worth it.

" hypocrites guide to the line
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It started with a sledge.

Yes, St Kilda vs Carlton officially became #sledgegate, a series of sledges, they said mean things about my wife, he screamed in the face of an injured player. He rehashed an old Twitter rumour, he might have spat in his face if you squint from one of Fox Footys awkwardly placed cameras. And he walked off in a foul mood, and they won the game. The quintessential football afternoon – winners, losers, grunt, aggression, sore throats, hurt feelings. And by Australian lore, that’s the end of it. Players code, blokey blokes, “stays on the field”. One day we’ll look back and laugh, perhaps over a few “froffies” – maybe a chapter in Trevor Marmalades “Funny Blokes and Funny Lines” with a foreword from Eddie McGuire and drawings from Andrew Fyfe…hey, did you hear when he said “…she gives me a biscuit”…

Except, of course, that it wasn’t. Societal change has come over football. I mean, not actual societal change, not genuine respect or tolerance, not respect enough where the womens footballers of St Kilda get to train on the ground before a game or Sarah Perkins isn’t broke at the end of a footy season. Not enough to have the womens footballers be allowed at the desk on AFL 360 instead of standing awkwardly at the side like camera crew. Not enough to give a women a position of real relevance within the game and not enough to stop deriding Caroline Wilson under every Youtube comment for her looks. Oh no, not THAT kind of change. But the best kind of change – high minded morality that doesn’t involve DOING anything. Sledging an injured, motionless player? Maybe spitting on him? Nah, that’s fine, f*** that guy, he’s only Jake Carlisle!

Sledging is ugly, it’s neanderthal, but it’s condoned, encouraged, coddled into the DNA of the game. Except when it isn’t – when it crosses a line, and people who don’t REALLY care get to play the morality game. The kind of commentary that laughs off camera at Mel McLaughlin but on camera tuts and clucks. You know, THOSE kind of carers. The kind that decide St Kilda hate women, but don’t have a strong opinion on Justin Murphy attacking his partner with a blowtorch. And this isn’t a blog post about sledging, it’s a post about them…

Over the course of one swift, unbelievable whitewash, Marc Murphy screaming in the face of an injured player never happened. No spitting. No problematic incident there. St Kilda were the aggressors, the agitators, the blackest of black hats. Oh how they reached, they clawed, they clamoured to their soapboxes. By weeks end Jon Ralph had somehow managed to tie the whole incident unbelievably into St Kildas gay rights advocacy (advocacy which was just honoured, in a story not coming to a Herald Sun near you). SEN footy, the SEN that gives Garry Lyon a pay cheque, decided St Kilda hated women. Wayne Carey (more on that later) got to comment on women, Carlton, the club that gave us Josh Bootsma, Heath Culpitt, Justin Murphy and Nick Stevens, took the moral high ground. After all, it’s JUST St Kilda…

And this is how we got here

The transition

If there is a lesson to be learned from this week, broadly, it’s that old footballers becoming patron saints of morality becomes a problematic, gaudy exercise, and that this week officially (if you didn’t know) marked the end of news as a viable commodity in the AFL. Old footballers are seen as the best purveyors and analysts of the game – those who have “been in the field” are best at describing it. Well, not really. The superlative Emma Quayle for instance can describe drafting, player recruitment and the journey of young players with amazing clarity. Yet on draft night, Fox Footy don’t call on her, they call on the Johnnos, the Lynchys, the Vossys – the old boys. Those who know the game. Those in the field…it’s always struck me as problematic that footballers get to the head of the analysis chain. Melbourne in particular, being a footballer opens doors. Money, power, prestige, access to a microphone. They just hope you don’t think too hard about who’s doing the talking…

Dealing with the former first, Paul Roos was the first to exclude Carlton from the story, “slamming” St Kilda in an article that began the process of “Murphy good, St Kilda bad” narration that dominated the week. Roos began the process of taking a news story and reshaping it, coming up with a story that had no basis in factual merit. Only one person sledged? Only one club attacked? Oh well, Roosy said it! Good old Roosy! Good old Roosy who appears on a League Team promo as the Ultimate cleanskin! That Roosy – however, even with Paul Roos, we run headlong into the hypocrisy. After all, Roos once ran onto the field in an underage game in 2011, and, quote – ” They paint a picture of a bloke who was ranting and raving at the 15-year-old boys and trainers before he was red-carded by an 18-year-old umpire” – that’s the problem with old footballers. They are so embedded in the “line”, “the players code”, that put them into any situation that involves morality, they lose credibility. We’ll get to the ultimate example in a moment, but unchallenged, regardless of their past, old footballers get to set tone, agenda, listened to in awe by acolytes. It’s Roosy! “Here it is!” – no one challenges, no one questions, no one asks questions…

To take a random show – let’s say On The Couch – shows this weird duality that old footballers live in. Jonathan Brown? A fiercely proud, loud competitor who ran out with Michael Voss, Aker, The Scotts bumping injured players shoulders. Personal sledges? Let Pikey, Vossy, and the lads loose, no limits. Put Ryan Lonie on the “most courageous player” ballot when, spoiler, he wasn’t? Brilliant, get us a pot while you are up there Pikey! David King? A swaggering, overbearing presence in the Melbourne nightclub scene, running on to the ground with “The King”, giving everyone lip, now reborn and purveyor of fuzzy stats and questionable logic (hello Jade Gresham). Jason Dunstall? A taciturn, quiet man, sure, not prone to sledging, but he sat in on the team meeting where it was decided, team rules, that Chris Lewis would be targeted by Hawthorn – racially, physically, nothing off limits. Sure, claim “different era”, societal change as Garry Lyon does (more on him later), but in their hearts, they would still do it. Player code, drink cards, “boys being boys”, sledging to win? For a Premiership?

Actually, to shift tack a little bit, Dunstall is interesting. Dunstalls most popular segment on The Bounce after all is faux anger over dribble kicks, during which he calls players who miss with a dribble kick shot at goal “tools”, “snapperheads” and “flogs”, before promising repeat offenders they’ll be drummed out of the game. This sometimes leads to a throw straight to Danny “Spud” Frawley, the man who on Triple M once proudly boasted “we invented getting personal on Triple M!”, to host a segment once called Coach Killers, now Don’t Come Mondays. As it implies, it shows the biggest blunders of the week. Now, consider this – suppose a player doesn’t play along. Suppose unlike “DCM” captains Jack Fitzpatrick and Joey Montagna they don’t turn up to laugh at themselves, or a dribble kicker takes to Twitter to snap back. What happens then? If AFL has a Javale McGee to it’s Shaquille O Neal? Where does the media sit then? A player depressed, on the edge of being dropped, after all, is by definition vulnerable. Suppose they feel bullied, that the attacks are personal? Will the Browny/Kingy/Lakey purveyors of fun listen, or tell the player to pull their head in. This is not to suggest a sense of humour bypass, nor judge the morality or levels of sledge, but to show how quickly the game can change. Do you REALLY think Triple M thought their Caroline Wilson skit was any different to 200 skits before? The humour of football, the humour of the sledge, the “we all cop it brotherhood” – it makes at best the line very fuzzy, and certain people unqualified to judge it…it’s a code that makes no sense to outsiders…

In the brief, fleeting moments when “The Sounding Board” podcast threatened to be interesting, before it disappeared up its own ass, Craig Hutchison, in a strangely honest moment, laid the game out. There’s no money in news. The masquerade that journalism exists? Forget it, it’s gone. Hutchison spelled the game out – opinion is where the money is. The pretence of “#1 news breaker in the game!” or Anthony Hudson crossing to Jon Ralph for “all the news” is shot. No journalism exists, not as you knew it. What’s left is a race to the Mark Robinson chair on 360 – opinion shapers. Agenda pushers. No story written without comment, no reader trusted to make their own judgement. It’s why Jon Ralph “covering the news” gives his opinion on how long a player will be suspended for. It’s why Mark Robinson gets an interview with the St Kilda president then spends the second half of the interview writing free prose on his own opinions. It’s why an entire Channel 9 show (Footy Classified) seems to physically loathe games of football. Breaking stories doesn’t matter, journalism doesn’t matter. Break the story about the Wildcard round? Who cares? Have 500 words on how rubbish it is? Brilliant…as long as Peter Fitzsimons can make a career out painting a world in black or white depending on who bought him a coffee, or Patrick Smith and Caro can fight to see who is really angrier, that’s all that matters.

Ralph had already moved on to wondering on Twitter “what would happen if Ump Eleni gets sledged? On with KB at 10” – not even news, not even opinion on the news, but opinion on the news that hadn’t happened yet. It’s an insane genius…

Interestingly, Ralph, Robinson and others collect a cheque from Fox Footy and the Herald Sun, the family of Murdochian media, the isolator of individuals, the most personal of attackers. You can select your own definition of irony that someone cashing a Murdoch cheque is judging who hates women and who doesn’t. I digress. The point is, as a series of Ralphs, and Robinsons and Kingys and McClures and Hutchys got dissecting the “story”, you were left wondering – who can I turn to that isn’t a hypocrite or a faux journalist? Who’s going to just give me…news? Stories?

I know where you wouldn’t go…

The “MMMs”

Let’s be honest – Damien Barrett and Garry Lyon have seen better days. If you want to really bed down on the demise of news and the hypocrisy of old footballers, you get straight to the Triple M alumni of old…

The former traded in any pretence of journalism a while ago. Maybe around the time he wore a Gilligan outfit on the Footy Show. Or the time his big newsbreaking story of 2016 was a personal and constant barrage of innuendo and rumour about Tom Rockliff. It could have been when he took a seat up the back of the Triple M bus, giggling as Danny Frawley and James Brayshaw attacked a rival journalist or program. Or was it when he began palling around with players, letting Bernie Vince ruffle his hair and steal his glasses on an end of season trip? It was certainly long gone by the time he decided at random Sean Dempster retired because he was miffed about being dropped, not because of concussions, then clung barnacle like to the story long after its discredit. Or was it in the last 24 hours when a story about Ben Cousins was again proven to be wrong? In truth, mocking Barrett is easy, but he’s made the transition, the curve – news? Who wants to break news? You want to have influence, power, shape opinion, have your voice heard. News? That gets swamped, other people clamouring to take credit? Become “Purple” young man, swallow a fly on the boundary line, sit up the back of a private jet with Wayne Schwass…that’s the life.

The latter? In Lyons glory days, he was the swaggering sherriff. Backed by his acolytes and his gang and his #wolfpack, no one was off limits. He got to belittle, berate, control. Anyone who challenged the humour of Triple M was given a serve. Footy Classified, the most moralistic, and yet “modern” of football shows, a football show that rarely talked football, that got rid of Glen Archer because he wasn’t controversial enough, was another of Lyons domains. And then there was the blokes playpen that was the Footy Show, a show that flirted with progression from time to time (Shane Crawfords run for instance) only to start each show showing a good looking woman in the audience for Sam to notice and approve of, or drag out a mannequin for a blokey laugh. Lyons glory days promoted a competitive, sledging first atmosphere. Alpha Males, strong opinions, ratings success bullying prettied up as entertainment….

And then? Well, you know…Caroline Wilson, depression, “cut from the herd”, don’t touch another mans wallet, breakfast ratings low…you know…

Barrett and Lyon have seen better days, but they have one competitive advantage – they are first. Not first with news, or anything that matters, or anything worth listening to. Just first. The earliest of the parade of agenda shapers. Their only rival, Mark Robinsons “The Tackle” is hidden behind a paywall, and by the time it gets into print, well, no one reads newspapers anyway. By getting their “Access All Areas” on to the AFL website first and early on a Monday, Barrett and Lyon can relive their glory days, setting agendas, settling scores and joshing around like the good old days, “Nice work from you Damo” “Thanks Garry”. Barrett even upped the ante, getting a quick pre lunch column out two hours before Roos got to shape the narrative. In fairness to Barrett, there was at least a slight reference to Marc Murphy doing something wrong, but it did contain, even for him, a jaw dropping sentence…

“No other professional workplace in the world would tolerate the rubbish which too regularly spews from the mouths of footballers.”

There was a professional workplace in the world that tolerated that “rubbish” – encouraged it. Nurtured it. Prided itself on it. Stated openly they invented getting personal, sledging, abusing. It was Austereo, the home of Triple M. The station Damien Barrett was once allowed to say of Mark Robinson “at least unlike him I can lie straight in bed”, that chortled fatly at defectors, that offered to drown Caro…that hired and redeemed Wayne Carey…

“The King”

Ah, Wayne Carey. Where do you begin? Let’s keep it simple, with a sentence from an article on AFL.com.au

“Past greats including Wayne Carey said the sledging code was simple: if it’s personal, it’s wrong.”

This was the point where everything went surreal. Normally, I hate mis-use of the word “surreal”, but look at that sentence. Think of everything that’s wrong with it. That someone wrote it down, or taped the quote. That it was put onto the website. That not a single person questioned it. Not one. It passed without comment. Wayne Carey. WAYNE CAREY – he got to announce something was wrong. Got to decide “the line”. Got to say to you, out there, this is our code, and I’m telling you what’s wrong.

Wayne Carey who told a woman once “get bigger tits” after grabbing her

That told Andrew Denton when he apologized to that women he wasn’t sincere

That slept with his team-mates wife (gasp! The footy code!)

That had Sam Newman support him by saying Kelli Stevens wasn’t particularly good looking

That has books, legends, footy nights built around his personal sledges

That broke a wine glass in his fiancees face

That told depression sufferer Nathan Thompson on TV to “neck himself”…

Tom Lehrer once said satire died when Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize. For me, it’s when Wayne Carey said “if it’s personal, it’s wrong”…

“St Kilda vs everyone”

So where does that leave us?

St Kilda don’t matter, that much we know. The media told you that this week. No matter how hard we work, no matter how hard we try, it’ll never change. It’ll always be Saints Disco, and midgets, and now this. The hypocrisy is enraging. “We don’t deserve a womens team” now – the Bulldogs had a womens team despite Will Minsons personal sledges. The Brisbane Lions got one in spite of Tom “she was a 3 out of 10” Rockliff. West Coast are in the mix despite Daniel Kerr, North Melbourne despite Carey and Boris The Chicken. St Kilda fans are outraged this week at the lies, hypocrisy, double standards, double dealings and mis-reporting that has come out this week. It’s left us in a St Kilda vs the world mood, energised, but defiantly anti media…

But in general, there’s nothing left to achieve. Turn to old footballers clogging up the airwaves, and they bring agenda, baggage…turn to “journalists” and they climb over themselves for some of that sweet, sweet Skip Bayless “say anything” money…and they’ll come for your club too…they’ll find angles, motives, your turn will come. You think it’s just “silly old St Kilda, you’ve got wooden spoons LOLZ” – just wait, the game changed this week. Fundamentally changed. A story was totally mis-reported, 1/2 reported, twisted and contorted by people who shouldn’t have the authority to do so, and if you don’t get what that means, you’ll find out soon. As for St Kilda fans, we were fed into the content machine – contribute and reply, you give them what they want. Ignore them, and your club is left to be whacked with unfounded reaches and stretches from hypocrites. We’ve chosen to nurse our wrath to keep it warm. The most important thing that happened though this week? You saw through it, and you realised journalism in this town, it’s all done…

It really is over. It was the week old media truly died…
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Post: # 1672218Post White Winmar »

Thanks for sharing that article, Saintbrat. One of the most searing and accurate critiques of the loose collection of hypocrites, halfwits and liars that inhabit the "football media". Compulsory reading for any saints fan, if you want to know where we really rank on the priority list of the AFL. In the words of a great saints' supporter, Molly Meldrum, "Do yourself a favour."


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Post: # 1672219Post White Winmar »

Thanks Saynta. You beat me to it.


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Post: # 1672220Post Trev from the Bush »

Brilliant analysis that says it all. No more commentary required.


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Post: # 1672227Post WellardSaint »

This lovely blogger is calling them out, not in a vindictive way,
but in a calm, reasoned and logical manner, quoting well-known facts
that are in the public domain, accepted by all as fact, especially by the relevant miscreants.

Brilliant and insightful.

Double standards at play and she's throwing a spotlight on their deceit.


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Post: # 1672235Post saynta »

White Winmar wrote:Thanks Saynta. You beat me to it.

:D :D

Anything I can do to expose the f-wits for the hypocrites they are.....


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Post: # 1672239Post Sainter_Dad »

My comment is awaiting moderation - but I post it here in case it does not make it:
sainter_dad wrote:Great read - the problem is that it will be dismissed as 'just another St Kilda supporter sprouting their defeatist agenda'. I do not think that we are keeping our wrath warm, I think that we are privately seething, but publicly accepting of the situation - think a puppy that has had his nose whacked once too often - see "Whispers in the Sky", Siren-gate, Schneider Clapping the umps" If we stood up for the blatant libel of Stephen Milne by Malthouse we would have been reamed again, if we arced up about the Geelong hit the post etc we would have been reamed - being a St Kilda supporter means supplying your own Vaseline! Look back at history, has any club had so many "unlucky" events happen to them in their history, and not had the right to dispute them [but yet rules get changed AFTER the lightening has struck]. This goes beyond journalism - this goes to the heart of the AFL - we are the poorer cousins and the more we take, the more that individuals and organisations feel that they can give out. If indeed St Kilda sledged Marc Murphy about a situation that has been bubbling under the surface for 18 months, then surely we were not the first, but it appears that we were the first that Marc lost his cool over, and heaven forbid that Caarrlton's captain could be at fault for spitting at / sledging a player that had been hit / kicked / kneed in the most tender of places. Oh well - another year as a St Kilda supporter - another year looking to the sky saying why us - another year of being the AFL's whipping boy - at least if we were Richmond the pain inflicted would be of our own doing.


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That is superb....


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Post: # 1672243Post Linton Lodger »

What a fantastic piece, oozing with insight and credibility.

We need to stand together and send a message to The Club that we're behind them and if they do need to return fire, DO IT.

The most obvious target of a retaliatory strke would be Wayne Carey.

A man with an undisputed history of sexual abuse and violence against women and the media is giving him work???

I reckon there needs to be a campaign against Carey. Petitions, calls to his employers and continued discussion about his form with women and violence.

Wayne Carey you're no hard man, just a pansy who cowered to a violent alcoholic father.

What happens if/or when people start writing to and ringing your current employers reminding them of your exploits and telling them they will be boycotted as long as they employ you?

One person, just one, who knows how to organise could start a revolution against you from their computer. Your history just speaks for itself, as does the spectacular folly of your employers.

It just maybe in your tea leaves Wayne.


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Post: # 1672244Post remboy »

saynta wrote:
White Winmar wrote:Thanks Saynta. You beat me to it.

:D :D

Anything I can do to expose the f-wits for the hypocrites they are.....
This article should be sent to every media outlet that covers AFL just to let them know we are aware of the 'game' they are playing.


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Sainter_Dad wrote:My comment is awaiting moderation - but I post it here in case it does not make it:
sainter_dad wrote:Great read - the problem is that it will be dismissed as 'just another St Kilda supporter sprouting their defeatist agenda'. I do not think that we are keeping our wrath warm, I think that we are privately seething, but publicly accepting of the situation - think a puppy that has had his nose whacked once too often - see "Whispers in the Sky", Siren-gate, Schneider Clapping the umps" If we stood up for the blatant libel of Stephen Milne by Malthouse we would have been reamed again, if we arced up about the Geelong hit the post etc we would have been reamed - being a St Kilda supporter means supplying your own Vaseline! Look back at history, has any club had so many "unlucky" events happen to them in their history, and not had the right to dispute them [but yet rules get changed AFTER the lightening has struck]. This goes beyond journalism - this goes to the heart of the AFL - we are the poorer cousins and the more we take, the more that individuals and organisations feel that they can give out. If indeed St Kilda sledged Marc Murphy about a situation that has been bubbling under the surface for 18 months, then surely we were not the first, but it appears that we were the first that Marc lost his cool over, and heaven forbid that Caarrlton's captain could be at fault for spitting at / sledging a player that had been hit / kicked / kneed in the most tender of places. Oh well - another year as a St Kilda supporter - another year looking to the sky saying why us - another year of being the AFL's whipping boy - at least if we were Richmond the pain inflicted would be of our own doing.
Gawd what a horrible post.

Paragraphs?
Break it up into paragraphs to make it easier on the eye.
Otherwise, tough to read.


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Post: # 1672263Post Bluthy »

Some good points. But out of all the blather from last week the one thing that jumped out to me was Ralphy saying "this is a club that wants a womans team". That hit home. We are in a new world order as part of a billion dollar industry and we have to play by the rules of this world if we want to not just survive, but thrive. The growth of the game has been driven by the families feeling confident and safe to go to footy games. Yes its a sanitised game losing a fair bit of its colour, but that is what you pay for the huge growth in the footy economy.

With so many journos desperate for a scoop and microphones everywhere, everything will leak out, even on the field. If it didn't happen to us, it would have happened to someone else - see also Shaws "retards" sledge. This was a fuzzy line just waiting to pop out out for public debate - unfortunately our club was the test case. If players want their half a million dollar salaries, then the price they pay is to now fall on the other side of the "slag the wags" sledge line. That line changed in the last few years or so due to public disposition and we have to suck it up.

People move on quickly and this won't do much damage to our club. Every club has scandals and this is pretty mild - much better than dwarf burning - thats one that will stick in everyone's memories. Maybe even gives us a bit of an unsocial footy perception which is not a bad thing. Did we lose some of our edge this week after Murphy-gate made us a bit timid? Should get it back next week.


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Post: # 1672266Post saynta »

Bluthy wrote:Some good points. But out of all the blather from last week the one thing that jumped out to me was Ralphy saying "this is a club that wants a womans team". That hit home. We are in a new world order as part of a billion dollar industry and we have to play by the rules of this world if we want to not just survive, but thrive. The growth of the game has been driven by the families feeling confident and safe to go to footy games. Yes its a sanitised game losing a fair bit of its colour, but that is what you pay for the huge growth in the footy economy.

With so many journos desperate for a scoop and microphones everywhere, everything will leak out, even on the field. If it didn't happen to us, it would have happened to someone else - see also Shaws "retards" sledge. This was a fuzzy line just waiting to pop out out for public debate - unfortunately our club was the test case. If players want their half a million dollar salaries, then the price they pay is to now fall on the other side of the "slag the wags" sledge line. That line changed in the last few years or so due to public disposition and we have to suck it up.

People move on quickly and this won't do much damage to our club. Every club has scandals and this is pretty mild - much better than dwarf burning - thats one that will stick in everyone's memories. Maybe even gives us a bit of an unsocial footy perception which is not a bad thing. Did we lose some of our edge this week after Murphy-gate made us a bit timid? Should get it back next week.

Unfortunately, you have completely missed the point. Shakes head.


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saynta wrote:
Bluthy wrote:Some good points. But out of all the blather from last week the one thing that jumped out to me was Ralphy saying "this is a club that wants a womans team". That hit home. We are in a new world order as part of a billion dollar industry and we have to play by the rules of this world if we want to not just survive, but thrive. The growth of the game has been driven by the families feeling confident and safe to go to footy games. Yes its a sanitised game losing a fair bit of its colour, but that is what you pay for the huge growth in the footy economy.

With so many journos desperate for a scoop and microphones everywhere, everything will leak out, even on the field. If it didn't happen to us, it would have happened to someone else - see also Shaws "retards" sledge. This was a fuzzy line just waiting to pop out out for public debate - unfortunately our club was the test case. If players want their half a million dollar salaries, then the price they pay is to now fall on the other side of the "slag the wags" sledge line. That line changed in the last few years or so due to public disposition and we have to suck it up.

People move on quickly and this won't do much damage to our club. Every club has scandals and this is pretty mild - much better than dwarf burning - thats one that will stick in everyone's memories. Maybe even gives us a bit of an unsocial footy perception which is not a bad thing. Did we lose some of our edge this week after Murphy-gate made us a bit timid? Should get it back next week.

Unfortunately, you have completely missed the point. Shakes head.
not at all. I just prefer cutting to the chase and looking forward instead of endless retreading of how we were "victimised". Our clubs paranoia is off the charts sometimes - everyone is out to get us - the AFL, umpires, journo's, the kids flogging the footy records (I see the way they deliberately crinkle our Footy records!)


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Post: # 1672269Post saynta »

FFS. I CAN ONLY SUGGEST THAT YOU READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN AND TRY TO GET A GRIP ON WHT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND WHAT WAS REPORTED.

We were victimised.


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We were victimised, but not "Because we're St Kilda and losers and everybody's against us." We were victimised because it's a juicier headline with a villain (us) and we don't have a high-profile Prez like a Eddie that bites back.


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Post: # 1672300Post saintkev »

Darth Vader wrote:We were victimised, but not "Because we're St Kilda and losers and everybody's against us." We were victimised because it's a juicier headline with a villain (us) and we don't have a high-profile Prez like a Eddie that bites back.

Plus we added to it with an unnecessary, grovelling apology.


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Carey. Big bad brave Carey. I still remember the look of sheer terror in his eyes when Glenn Archer fronted up to him! Great footballer. Ordinary, very ordinary human being.


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Post: # 1672363Post saynta »

Darth Vader wrote:We were victimised, but not "Because we're St Kilda and losers and everybody's against us." We were victimised because it's a juicier headline with a villain (us) and we don't have a high-profile Prez like a Eddie that bites back.
More than likely.


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Post: # 1672372Post saintspremiers »

thejiggingsaint wrote:Carey. Big bad brave Carey. I still remember the look of sheer terror in his eyes when Glenn Archer fronted up to him! Great footballer. Ordinary, very ordinary human being.
He's a liar also. Heard from a workmate who saw Carey at a party when the Kellie Stevens affair was going on, and Mr Duck was busy bedding a woman. Who was not Mrs Stevens!


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Post: # 1672453Post saynta »

saintspremiers wrote:
thejiggingsaint wrote:Carey. Big bad brave Carey. I still remember the look of sheer terror in his eyes when Glenn Archer fronted up to him! Great footballer. Ordinary, very ordinary human being.
He's a liar also. Heard from a workmate who saw Carey at a party when the Kellie Stevens affair was going on, and Mr Duck was busy bedding a woman. Who was not Mrs Stevens!

And presumably, not Mrs Duck.


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Post: # 1672466Post Bluthy »

St kilda fans love being martyrs. Oh whoa is us - they are all out to get us. Finnis handled it brilliantly. With finesse (Finnis!) and delicate touch but constantly making sure things moved on and the club could leave this behind as quickly as possible and get on with playing footy. Who cares what some commentators say. Most people didn't care about this at all. Saints supporters should move on to. Nothing to see here - no agenda's or vendettas . This is the age we live in - get used to it.


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Post: # 1672468Post SemperFidelis »

Thanks Bratty, great post.


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Post: # 1672472Post thejiggingsaint »

Bluthy well said!


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