New coaching panel nominees
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2190
- Joined: Sun 28 Mar 2004 1:59pm
- Location: by the seaside..
- Has thanked: 36 times
- Been thanked: 187 times
New coaching panel nominees
Need a refresh in the coaching box. Henry Playfair the only one who probably deserves another go next year as an assistant.
2nd assistant, I’d like to get Lenny Hayes back from GWS. We need at least 1person in the box who understands what it’s like to be involved in our club and has seen it rise from the bottom of the ladder to the top (close enough)
A little left field, my 3rd assistant would be Nathan Basset. Coached SANFL team Norwood to a flag a few years back and is a bit left field thinker. Now at the Power. Notably he is also a Type 1 diabetic. Would be a great source of comfort to Paddy to have someone who can 100% relate to what he experiences as a player. AFL is a game of finding a small advantage- this could be one.
Head coach - it’s Brett Ratten for me. Terribly unlucky to get the boot at Carlton and we’ve seen how crap their list really was once he moved away. Now getting first hand experience working with arguably the greatest coach of the last 10 years.
2nd assistant, I’d like to get Lenny Hayes back from GWS. We need at least 1person in the box who understands what it’s like to be involved in our club and has seen it rise from the bottom of the ladder to the top (close enough)
A little left field, my 3rd assistant would be Nathan Basset. Coached SANFL team Norwood to a flag a few years back and is a bit left field thinker. Now at the Power. Notably he is also a Type 1 diabetic. Would be a great source of comfort to Paddy to have someone who can 100% relate to what he experiences as a player. AFL is a game of finding a small advantage- this could be one.
Head coach - it’s Brett Ratten for me. Terribly unlucky to get the boot at Carlton and we’ve seen how crap their list really was once he moved away. Now getting first hand experience working with arguably the greatest coach of the last 10 years.
“If you want the rainbow you gotta put up with rain” Dolly Parton
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9111
- Joined: Wed 29 Jun 2005 10:39pm
- Location: A distant beach
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 436 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
I feel the Football Dept is floundering, and the combination of senior coach and assistants is just not getting acceptable results. The playing list we have can play better as a team I'm sure, so why aren't they? I would like to see a higher profile ex Saint come back on board somewhere.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9373
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 662 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Interesting. I’d LOVE “to get Lenny Hayes back from GWS” but in all honesty there is ZERO chance of that happening. Lenny loves the Saints, but is WAY too smart and aware of his sanity levels to contemplate a return.Zed wrote:Need a refresh in the coaching box. Henry Playfair the only one who probably deserves another go next year as an assistant.
2nd assistant, I’d like to get Lenny Hayes back from GWS. We need at least 1person in the box who understands what it’s like to be involved in our club and has seen it rise from the bottom of the ladder to the top (close enough)
A little left field, my 3rd assistant would be Nathan Basset. Coached SANFL team Norwood to a flag a few years back and is a bit left field thinker. Now at the Power. Notably he is also a Type 1 diabetic. Would be a great source of comfort to Paddy to have someone who can 100% relate to what he experiences as a player. AFL is a game of finding a small advantage- this could be one.
Head coach - it’s Brett Ratten for me. Terribly unlucky to get the boot at Carlton and we’ve seen how crap their list really was once he moved away. Now getting first hand experience working with arguably the greatest coach of the last 10 years.
Brett Ratten? Yes, I’d definitely be interested in seeing him as senior coach.
St Kilda forever ( God help me)
- ace
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10748
- Joined: Sun 16 Dec 2007 3:28pm
- Location: St Kilda
- Has thanked: 30 times
- Been thanked: 824 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Mickey Mouse as head coach and Donald Duck to help out on those wet away game days.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
- Jensen Huang, CEO of NVIDIA
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2203
- Joined: Wed 19 Aug 2009 10:32pm
- Location: Del Mar, California
- Has thanked: 34 times
- Been thanked: 237 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
We need a Neil Balme type of football manager, Grant Thomas would be an excellent candidate.
That would be a good starting point. We need coaches, assistants and recruiters, I reckon Grant Thomas has the judgment to help us find the right people.
That would be a good starting point. We need coaches, assistants and recruiters, I reckon Grant Thomas has the judgment to help us find the right people.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 4655
- Joined: Sun 18 Jun 2006 2:04pm
- Location: Melb
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 23 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
GT has made his bed in terms of a return to the AFL. They'd have him 'fixed up'...Toy Saint wrote:We need a Neil Balme type of football manager, Grant Thomas would be an excellent candidate.
That would be a good starting point. We need coaches, assistants and recruiters, I reckon Grant Thomas has the judgment to help us find the right people.
Bring back the Lockett era
- Linton Lodger
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2467
- Joined: Mon 18 Aug 2014 2:07pm
- Has thanked: 86 times
- Been thanked: 256 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
I am perplexed, why all the love for Brett Ratten? What's it based on, his coaching at Carlton? Or because he's one of Clarkson's Assistants?
We hired Watters because he was one of Malthouse's Assistants, that worked out well. Clarkson's Assistants will be familiar with Clarkson's systems and methods now, not what he'll do in the future. They are not Clarkson and won't necessarily have his creativity, imgination and vision.
We hired Watters because he was one of Malthouse's Assistants, that worked out well. Clarkson's Assistants will be familiar with Clarkson's systems and methods now, not what he'll do in the future. They are not Clarkson and won't necessarily have his creativity, imgination and vision.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9373
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 662 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Why not Malthouse in a mentoring role? We could do worse
St Kilda forever ( God help me)
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9373
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 662 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11340
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 12:57am
- Location: South of Heaven
- Has thanked: 1332 times
- Been thanked: 456 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Interesting name to throw in ring. His contract will be up with Port Melbourne by the end of the year. He has had an outstanding record in coaching them over the last decade. He is, however, now towards the age of 60. The question is: would he even still be interested in coaching at AFL level?thejiggingsaint wrote:Garry Ayres as senior coach?
Curb your enthusiasm - you’re a St.Kilda supporter!!
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Thu 16 Sep 2004 5:32pm
- Has thanked: 18 times
- Been thanked: 30 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Ratten has a coaching record at the Blues of 50% wins. You bag him.Linton Lodger wrote:I am perplexed, why all the love for Brett Ratten? What's it based on, his coaching at Carlton? Or because he's one of Clarkson's Assistants?
We hired Watters because he was one of Malthouse's Assistants, that worked out well. Clarkson's Assistants will be familiar with Clarkson's systems and methods now, not what he'll do in the future. They are not Clarkson and won't necessarily have his creativity, imgination and vision.
Richo has a record of 35% wina at the Saints. You praise him.
This is an example of cognitive dissonance.
And yes - working with Clarkson is clearly a plus.
Ratten was at Hawthorn for the 2013, 14 and 15 premierships.
That's first hand experience in three flags as a coach plus one as a player.
Seriously are you taking the piss????
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Thu 16 Sep 2004 5:32pm
- Has thanked: 18 times
- Been thanked: 30 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Too long out of the game I think.thejiggingsaint wrote:Garry Ayres as senior coach?
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9373
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 662 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
True, colleague. BUT perhaps a “planned succession” with Ayres as mentor/leader to someone like Lenny Hayes could be a way to go..... I’m thinking along the lines of Lenny being “junior partner” in a co-coaching partnership? I realise of course, that all we’re doing is hypothesisingcongorozides wrote:Too long out of the game I think.thejiggingsaint wrote:Garry Ayres as senior coach?
St Kilda forever ( God help me)
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Thu 16 Sep 2004 5:32pm
- Has thanked: 18 times
- Been thanked: 30 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
I like the idea of this. We need a real man manager type in that role who can manage all of the staff and players well.Toy Saint wrote:We need a Neil Balme type of football manager, Grant Thomas would be an excellent candidate.
That would be a good starting point. We need coaches, assistants and recruiters, I reckon Grant Thomas has the judgment to help us find the right people.
Somebody like Blake Caracella is considered a brilliant match day tactician but lacks the man management skills. I also think our fitness guy is no good.
If GT had had a Caracella taking over the game day tactics - wed have another flag for sure. GT was great at the people stuff but not too great on the tactics.
The club needs to recognize people have different skills. We might not find the person who is brilliant at everything. That is ok.
A long as we recognize different skill sets and utilize them intelligently.
Off the top of my head Id speak to
Caracella
Sam Mitchell
Brett Ratten
Todd Curley
Lenny
Roo
And quite a few others.
We dont need a single messiah coach. We need a good football department team with a good spread of skills working together.
But boy oh boy Id take Clarko if he was interested
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Thu 16 Sep 2004 5:32pm
- Has thanked: 18 times
- Been thanked: 30 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Agree Ayers could some value. Certainly chat with him.thejiggingsaint wrote:True, colleague. BUT perhaps a “planned succession” with Ayres as mentor/leader to someone like Lenny Hayes could be a way to go..... I’m thinking along the lines of Lenny being “junior partner” in a co-coaching partnership? I realise of course, that all we’re doing is hypothesisingcongorozides wrote:Too long out of the game I think.thejiggingsaint wrote:Garry Ayres as senior coach?
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9373
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 662 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Some good points there Colleague. One person I’d be working on NOW is Luke Hodge....... I’d even go as far as to offer him an onfield gig short- term with a view to getting him in as a coachcongorozides wrote:I like the idea of this. We need a real man manager type in that role who can manage all of the staff and players well.Toy Saint wrote:We need a Neil Balme type of football manager, Grant Thomas would be an excellent candidate.
That would be a good starting point. We need coaches, assistants and recruiters, I reckon Grant Thomas has the judgment to help us find the right people.
Somebody like Blake Caracella is considered a brilliant match day tactician but lacks the man management skills.
It wold be good to have somebody in each role so we have man management and tactics covered.
If GT had had a Caracella taking over the game day tactics - wed have another flag for sure. GT was great at the people stuff but not to great on the tactics.
The club needs to recognize people have different skills. We might not find the person who is brilliant at everything. That is ok.
A long as we recognize different skill sets and utilize them intelligently.
Off the to of my head Id speak to
Caracella
Sam Mitchell
Brett Ratten
Todd Curley
And quite a few others.
We dont need a single messiah coach. We need a good football department team with a good spread of skills working together.
But boy oh boy Id take Clarko if he was interested
St Kilda forever ( God help me)
- Linton Lodger
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2467
- Joined: Mon 18 Aug 2014 2:07pm
- Has thanked: 86 times
- Been thanked: 256 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
When Carlton put the pressure on him (whether justified or not) he completely choked and lost it, started barracking rather than Coaching.congorozides wrote:Ratten has a coaching record at the Blues of 50% wins. You bag him.Linton Lodger wrote:I am perplexed, why all the love for Brett Ratten? What's it based on, his coaching at Carlton? Or because he's one of Clarkson's Assistants?
We hired Watters because he was one of Malthouse's Assistants, that worked out well. Clarkson's Assistants will be familiar with Clarkson's systems and methods now, not what he'll do in the future. They are not Clarkson and won't necessarily have his creativity, imgination and vision.
Richo has a record of 35% wina at the Saints. You praise him.
This is an example of cognitive dissonance.
And yes - working with Clarkson is clearly a plus.
Ratten was at Hawthorn for the 2013, 14 and 15 premierships.
That's first hand experience in three flags as a coach plus one as a player.
Seriously are you taking the piss????
He had a very decent list at Carlton and the best he could do was 1 finals appearance for no wins. I watched Ross Lyon Coach him into the ground on numerous occasions. Particularly loved the occasion (2008) that Lyon tagged everyone in his midfield with the exception of CHRIS JUDD! Ratten didn't see that coming and probably still hasn't. Juddy got a heap of the footy for us that evening.
The cream of the Assistants around the league are Caracella (who is by all intents and purposes actually coaching Richmond) and Voss foolishly sacked by the Lions. Way surperior options to Ratten.
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Thu 16 Sep 2004 5:32pm
- Has thanked: 18 times
- Been thanked: 30 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Not sure anyone is suggesting Ratten for the top job.Linton Lodger wrote:When Carlton put the pressure on him (whether justified or not) he completely choked and lost it, started barracking rather than Coaching.congorozides wrote:Ratten has a coaching record at the Blues of 50% wins. You bag him.Linton Lodger wrote:I am perplexed, why all the love for Brett Ratten? What's it based on, his coaching at Carlton? Or because he's one of Clarkson's Assistants?
We hired Watters because he was one of Malthouse's Assistants, that worked out well. Clarkson's Assistants will be familiar with Clarkson's systems and methods now, not what he'll do in the future. They are not Clarkson and won't necessarily have his creativity, imgination and vision.
Richo has a record of 35% wina at the Saints. You praise him.
This is an example of cognitive dissonance.
And yes - working with Clarkson is clearly a plus.
Ratten was at Hawthorn for the 2013, 14 and 15 premierships.
That's first hand experience in three flags as a coach plus one as a player.
Seriously are you taking the piss????
He had a very decent list at Carlton and the best he could do was 1 finals appearance for no wins. I watched Ross Lyon Coach him into the ground on numerous occasions. Particularly loved the occasion (2008) that Lyon tagged everyone in his midfield with the exception of CHRIS JUDD! Ratten didn't see that coming and probably still hasn't. Juddy got a heap of the footy for us that evening.
The cream of the Assistants around the league are Caracella (who is by all intents and purposes actually coaching Richmond) and Voss foolishly sacked by the Lions. Way surperior options to Ratten.
But for some kind of role.
I dont think the Carlton list was all that great either. He got them to 5th in 2011 and Murphy was their B & F. A good effort with an ordinary list.
Here is the Elimination Final winning side from 2011 - looks fairly s*** to me. So I am not sure the list was all that decent.
Ill give you a few names to prove my point
Carrazzo, Thornton, Robinson, Ellard, Warnock, Duigan, Joseph, Davies, O'Hailpin.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... s?mid=5337
So I think you are being very harsh on the bloke..... And then on the other hand letting Richo off scott free....
Last edited by congorozides on Sun 13 May 2018 5:29pm, edited 4 times in total.
- bigred
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 11463
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 7:39am
- Has thanked: 25 times
- Been thanked: 609 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Why?fugazi wrote:Ratten or take a gamble on Sam Mitchell...he will be a ruthless coach. Very smart.
"Now the ball is loose, it gives St. Kilda a rough chance. Black. Good handpass. Voss. Schwarze now, the defender, can run and from a long way".....
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 493
- Joined: Sat 10 Jun 2017 2:01pm
- Has thanked: 35 times
- Been thanked: 41 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Again Director of Football: Neil Craig / Brett Ratten
Head Coach: anyone except Richo, theres literally 15 blokes skilled up and ready - I really reckon Voss would be brilliant.
Head Coach: anyone except Richo, theres literally 15 blokes skilled up and ready - I really reckon Voss would be brilliant.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9373
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 662 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Voss? Give me a BREAK!David-Lee wrote:Again Director of Football: Neil Craig / Brett Ratten
Head Coach: anyone except Richo, theres literally 15 blokes skilled up and ready - I really reckon Voss would be brilliant.
St Kilda forever ( God help me)
-
- Club Player
- Posts: 1236
- Joined: Tue 08 Nov 2011 3:29pm
- Has thanked: 2 times
- Been thanked: 6 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
Lenny..Roo..Sir Robert Harvey..Ozzie Jones and xman. I would like to see some St Kilda people at the club to give the place some heart and soul which is missing.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 9373
- Joined: Wed 03 Aug 2005 10:01pm
- Has thanked: 662 times
- Been thanked: 498 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
+1felix wrote:Lenny..Roo..Sir Robert Harvey..Ozzie Jones and xman. I would like to see some St Kilda people at the club to give the place some heart and soul which is missing.
St Kilda forever ( God help me)
- desertsaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 10425
- Joined: Sun 27 Apr 2008 2:02pm
- Location: out there
- Has thanked: 190 times
- Been thanked: 713 times
Re: New coaching panel nominees
yep. i reckon these guys are burning to get a flag in some capacity with st kilda - unfinished business.
"The starting point of all achievement is desire. "