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mightysainters wrote: ↑Thu 16 May 2019 10:42pm
Who do people incessantly want to play players out of position?
Carlisle is a gun backman and average forward
Marshall is our best Ruck and average forward
For a start, I disagree either of them are necessarily average forwards. Both both have the necessary tools to be good forwards. Carlisle for instance is a gun FOOTBALLER and shouldn’t be pigeon holed as soley a defender.
But I’ll tell you what is average - or below average. Our current set up.
People can rave on about poor delivery, bombing it in etc, but the quality of the players and structure you have in front of the ball matters.
We have one and a half tall targets at the moment and both are decidedly hit or miss. I think it is holding us back as a team and needs to change for us to progress.
Josh Battle has settled in to the backline very nicely and I’d leave him there even when Jake comes back. That would allow us to put some more talent in front of the ball
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mightysainters wrote: ↑Thu 16 May 2019 10:42pm
Who do people incessantly want to play players out of position?
Carlisle is a gun backman and average forward
Marshall is our best Ruck and average forward
For a start, I disagree either of them are necessarily average forwards. Both both have the necessary tools to be good forwards. Carlisle for instance is a gun FOOTBALLER and shouldn’t be pigeon holed as soley a defender.
But I’ll tell you what is average - or below average. Our current set up.
People can rave on about poor delivery, bombing it in etc, but the quality of the players and structure you have in front of the ball matters.
We have one and a half tall targets at the moment and both are decidedly hit or miss. I think it is holding us back as a team and needs to change for us to progress.
Josh Battle has settled in to the backline very nicely and I’d leave him there even when Jake comes back. That would allow us to put some more talent in front of the ball
If Paddy wasn't injured he would be the third "tall". What I don't get is that we never put anyone else in there to replace Paddy and instead went with 4 smalls (initially Lonie, Kent, Parker & Long). That's too many. We beat the weaker sides with that side in but not the better sides. Battle should go forward. Or Longer/Pearce rucks & Marshall plays forward and second ruck.
As ex-president Peter Summers said:
“If we are going to be a contender, we may as well plan to win the bloody thing.”
Toy Saint wrote: ↑Thu 30 May 2019 9:05pm
So in the heat and humidity in Shanghai Rowan takes on Paddy Ryder, Scott Lycett and Justin Westoff single handed?
We’ve got Acres, Bruce and Steele in the team that all have rucking experience
That’s the thinking that’s gotten us where we are today... and if all goes to plan we may yet achieve our goal of a first round finals exit and oh the pride we’ll all feel then.
Toy Saint wrote:So in the heat and humidity in Shanghai Rowan takes on Paddy Ryder, Scott Lycett and Justin Westoff single handed?
Maybe the heat and humidity will be so draining, that having 2 extra runners in rotation could prove handy.
Whenever Bruce or Acres rucked we should go through them at every chance. Make the opposite ruck work hard as often as possible.
They should just run constantly for a couple of minutes and rotate with each other. Then Marshall can come back an play on an exhausted ruckman.
When a guy is picked in a team to be a ruckman, they are usually good endurance runners.
How do you know that our guys like Acres, Marshall, and Bruce are fitter than Ryder, Westoff and Lycett?
Maybe it's the other way around.
Maybe when Blake contests and has to try and jump up as high as their blokes and has to push and grapple he exerts more energy and it impacts his ability to spread and run both ways. Maybe when Bruce gets back to the forward line after having to grapple and jump for ruck contests he loses the energy to do repeat leads and becomes more of a statue.
Toy Saint wrote:So in the heat and humidity in Shanghai Rowan takes on Paddy Ryder, Scott Lycett and Justin Westoff single handed?
Maybe the heat and humidity will be so draining, that having 2 extra runners in rotation could prove handy.
Whenever Bruce or Acres rucked we should go through them at every chance. Make the opposite ruck work hard as often as possible.
They should just run constantly for a couple of minutes and rotate with each other. Then Marshall can come back an play on an exhausted ruckman.
When a guy is picked in a team to be a ruckman, they are usually good endurance runners.
How do you know that our guys like Acres, Marshall, and Bruce are fitter than Ryder, Westoff and Lycett?
Maybe it's the other way around.
Maybe when Blake contests and has to try and jump up as high as their blokes and has to push and grapple he exerts more energy and it impacts his ability to spread and run both ways. Maybe when Bruce gets back to the forward line after having to grapple and jump for ruck contests he loses the energy to do repeat leads and becomes more of a statue.
It’s not just about endurance, it is about about tag teaming them and flipping the script. Make them accountable in ways they aren’t used to.
It is mostly aimed at Lycett.
Blake and Bruce at 3/4 pace would be top pace for Lycett. If they are on the move and used it will mean he has to work much harder than if a plodder was on the ground.
We are not playing a second ruckmen, so let’s not use them like ruckmen around the ground.
And Acres hasn’t jumped in a ruck contest for weeks. He just bodies up and waits for the ball to hit the deck.
