AFL Overkill

[freely]

Just a suggestion... why dont they consider imposing separate seating zones at games e.g. a fan terrace (must be over 16-18 years to be in this area) and dedicated family zones for young families and less animated fans. Seems like an easy fix, could also bring back the glory days of old terrace and active fan areas at suburban grounds i.e The Animal enclosure. This is a commonly used strategy across European soccer grounds.

Yeah, because European soccer is exactly the model we want to emulate!

Why wouldn't it be im? not sure if you've been to premier league or bundesliga game but the passion, atmosphere and fan engagement is significantly better than the AFL. We should at least try to take some positives from it.

Yeah, it's marvelous. Supporters have to be kept apart, typically in cages, to stop them knifing each other. What a buzz!

[The_Dud]

I particularly liked this comment from a herald sun reader.

"Brian W
6 hours ago
Why should McLachlan be surprised that fans feel alienated from the AFL. He constantly lectures fans about what social views are acceptable and acts as though he considers most fans to be racist, sexist, homophobic bigots who need to be taught how to behave properly.

And?


I don't know why the racists, bigots, sexists and homophobes don't just own it.

If you think what Kennett said is 'telling it how it is', you're racist. You might not be KKK racist - but you're racist.

Full stop.

Just accept it.

If you voted against gay marriage, you're a homophobe. Full stop.
You might not hate guys - but you're still against them havibg the same rights as straight people. Homophobe.

Accept it.


Kennett whined "How dare you call me racist! I'm pro-immigration!" - immediately after he said that only white guys are capable of performing a security role at the footy.

He might not be Tony Abbott level racist - but he's racist. He might not be a bad person, but he's racist.

Just accept it.


These people embarrass themselves when they deny it.

Sounds like a nuanced argument.

By your prInciples, Dick Smith is a racist then.

I was going to say you’re being black and white, but I did’t want to offend anyone.

I’m confused, are their people who don’t think Dick Smith is just another old racist guy?

[SaintPav]

BarryGrogan, you can hide behind the racist accusation if you like, you will get no argument from me about your definition and I suspect Jeff also has had second thoughts about how he expressed his concern. BUT his concern insofar as I understand it was- what assurance do we, the paying public have that the people charged with crowd behaviour management have the understanding and skills to do so fairly.
In my estimation, the antics of the guard who attempted to rush onto the field suggest that he , at least, and in all likelihood some others (presuming they all went through the same employment screening) do not only not understand football but also do not understand their role.

Highlighting cultural barriers as a potential problem is a legitimate issue given the scope of what the AFL is trying to do.

Unless you happen to be a soy boy Greens voter who enjoys watching the ABC.

Ps. Most whities wouldn't do these shitty jobs.

Ohh. Racist

[SaintPav]

I particularly liked this comment from a herald sun reader.

"Brian W
6 hours ago
Why should McLachlan be surprised that fans feel alienated from the AFL. He constantly lectures fans about what social views are acceptable and acts as though he considers most fans to be racist, sexist, homophobic bigots who need to be taught how to behave properly.

And?


I don't know why the racists, bigots, sexists and homophobes don't just own it.

If you think what Kennett said is 'telling it how it is', you're racist. You might not be KKK racist - but you're racist.

Full stop.

Just accept it.

If you voted against gay marriage, you're a homophobe. Full stop.
You might not hate guys - but you're still against them havibg the same rights as straight people. Homophobe.

Accept it.


Kennett whined "How dare you call me racist! I'm pro-immigration!" - immediately after he said that only white guys are capable of performing a security role at the footy.

He might not be Tony Abbott level racist - but he's racist. He might not be a bad person, but he's racist.

Just accept it.


These people embarrass themselves when they deny it.

Sounds like a nuanced argument.

By your prInciples, Dick Smith is a racist then.

I was going to say you’re being black and white, but I did’t want to offend anyone.

I’m confused, are their people who don’t think Dick Smith is just another old racist guy?

You forgot rich and white...

[bigcarl]

Careful, Pav. Anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a racist/homophobe/sexist.

Makes them feel morally superior.

Personally, I’m none of those things but I’ll defend the rights of those who are to have those opinions and express them. It’s part of living in a free society

[Enrico_Misso]

Well I don't think it is racist to question how "Behavioral Awareness Officers" who clearly weren't born and bred here could possibly discern what type of behavior is culturally acceptable when they don't understand our culture - just common sense!

The AFL have been exposed here.
A poorly thought out and extremely poorly executed overkill to a non-existent problem.
Gil has shown he is totally out of touch.

[The_Dud]

Careful, Pav. Anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a racist/homophobe/sexist.

Makes them feel morally superior.

Personally, I’m none of those things but I’ll defend the rights of those who are to have those opinions and express them. It’s part of living in a free society

Cool story bro.

Keep fighting for the rights of the privileged to continue to oppress and withhold rights from the underprivileged.

They definitely need the help.

[bigcarl]

The AFL have been exposed here.
A poorly thought out and extremely poorly executed overkill to a non-existent problem.
Gil has shown he is totally out of touch.

Agree. His backdown on it has been spectacular. We don’t want or need thought police.

[sunsaint]

So a few dark skinned fellows don a high vis vest with the words behavioural awareness printed on it
and a bigot plays the race card to support his argument
Im surprised he hasn't raised the colour issue previously in the past with the dark skins peppering the boundary line as security guards
OK
I suppose the people crying about their rights & supporting him just don't like the mirror being held up in front of themselves

[BarryGrogan]

I particularly liked this comment from a herald sun reader.

"Brian W
6 hours ago
Why should McLachlan be surprised that fans feel alienated from the AFL. He constantly lectures fans about what social views are acceptable and acts as though he considers most fans to be racist, sexist, homophobic bigots who need to be taught how to behave properly.

And?


I don't know why the racists, bigots, sexists and homophobes don't just own it.

If you think what Kennett said is 'telling it how it is', you're racist. You might not be KKK racist - but you're racist.

Full stop.

Just accept it.

If you voted against gay marriage, you're a homophobe. Full stop.
You might not hate guys - but you're still against them havibg the same rights as straight people. Homophobe.

Accept it.


Kennett whined "How dare you call me racist! I'm pro-immigration!" - immediately after he said that only white guys are capable of performing a security role at the footy.

He might not be Tony Abbott level racist - but he's racist. He might not be a bad person, but he's racist.

Just accept it.


These people embarrass themselves when they deny it.

Sounds like a nuanced argument.

By your prInciples, Dick Smith is a racist then.

I was going to say you’re being black and white, but I did’t want to offend anyone.

They're not my principles, they're society's.

The goal posts have changed.

The same as how slapping a chick on the arse and calling her 'Luv' was once acceptable in the office - it's not now.

If you do it - you're sexist. You might not be Harvey Weinstein level, but if someone calls you out on it and labels you sexist - you can't argue. You're sexist.

That's what sexist now looks like.


My Grandma used to refuse to get in a taxi if it came to pick her up and the driver was a 'New Australian'. Back then, no one flinched at her opinion.
But now - it's racist. She was judging someone, and their abilities to do a job based on the fact they weren't white.

Totally raciat in today's society. Wonderful woman that did lots of great things for people - but today, she'd be racist. It is what it is.


Back to Kennett's comments, they weren't inly racist, they were just stupid.

If you're not white, you weren't born here?? I mean WTF? What planet is he on?

And if you weren't born here, you don't know anything about the footy??? For real?

I wonder how many of Hawthorn's members were actually born here?


What stupid things to say.

[BarryGrogan]

Well I don't think it is racist to question how "Behavioral Awareness Officers" who clearly weren't born and bred here could possibly discern what type of behavior is culturally acceptable when they don't understand our culture - just common sense!

Question 1: How do you know they weren't born here?

Question 2: How long do you have to live here before you can understand our culture?

Question 3: Have yiu never met nor known people of Indian, African or Asian heritage that were actually born here?

Question 4: Were all four of your grandparents born here?

Question 5: Have you not had any teammates that either weren't born here, or of non-Australian heritage?

[SaintPav]

I think most of these rich white blokes are probably out of touch, but I love hypocritical and selective moral outrage. The litany of red herrings too.

Priceless.

[happy feet]

This is probably off topic but I wonder if the AFL will allow Collingwood to set its own punishment for the latest betting scandal, like they did with Rhys Shaw and Maxwell.

[6621104]

BG:
Q.1 impossible to know, and your point should be accepted. Stop flogging the horse.
Q.2 wrong question, how many games of football do you need to have attended to understand the unwritten rules
Q. 3,4, irrelevant. My friends, work colleagues and family have not been employed as "security", behaviour monitors and arbiters.

[Brunswicksainter]

Just a suggestion... why dont they consider imposing separate seating zones at games e.g. a fan terrace (must be over 16-18 years to be in this area) and dedicated family zones for young families and less animated fans. Seems like an easy fix, could also bring back the glory days of old terrace and active fan areas at suburban grounds i.e The Animal enclosure. This is a commonly used strategy across European soccer grounds.

Yeah, because European soccer is exactly the model we want to emulate!

Why wouldn't it be im? not sure if you've been to premier league or bundesliga game but the passion, atmosphere and fan engagement is significantly better than the AFL. We should at least try to take some positives from it.

Yeah, it's marvelous. Supporters have to be kept apart, typically in cages, to stop them knifing each other. What a buzz!

Can confirm you’ve never been to a prem or bundeliga game then.

[saynta]

BUT his concern insofar as I understand it was- what assurance do we, the paying public have that the people charged with crowd behaviour management have the understanding and skills to do so fairly.

There's no issue with those concerns.


Those concerns however have nothing to do with Kennett straight out being racist with his comments.

The only way his comments can be interpreted, is that only white men that were born in Australia are capable of being security guards.

It's completely preposterous, and outright racist.

You are drawing a long bow there.

[freely]

Just a suggestion... why dont they consider imposing separate seating zones at games e.g. a fan terrace (must be over 16-18 years to be in this area) and dedicated family zones for young families and less animated fans. Seems like an easy fix, could also bring back the glory days of old terrace and active fan areas at suburban grounds i.e The Animal enclosure. This is a commonly used strategy across European soccer grounds.

Yeah, because European soccer is exactly the model we want to emulate!

Why wouldn't it be im? not sure if you've been to premier league or bundesliga game but the passion, atmosphere and fan engagement is significantly better than the AFL. We should at least try to take some positives from it.

Yeah, it's marvelous. Supporters have to be kept apart, typically in cages, to stop them knifing each other. What a buzz!

Can confirm you’ve never been to a prem or bundeliga game then.

I haven't been for a long time Brunswick cos I'm probably not as rich as you - but I do know that supporters of all shades, shapes and sizes mixing together is one of my favourite things about going to our game and in the UK, you daren't (or I daren't - again, I expect you're a lot tougher than me!) even walk down the same street as a supporter wearing a different colour scarf.

[saynta]

I particularly liked this comment from a herald sun reader.

"Brian W
6 hours ago
Why should McLachlan be surprised that fans feel alienated from the AFL. He constantly lectures fans about what social views are acceptable and acts as though he considers most fans to be racist, sexist, homophobic bigots who need to be taught how to behave properly.

And?


I don't know why the racists, bigots, sexists and homophobes don't just own it.

If you think what Kennett said is 'telling it how it is', you're racist. You might not be KKK racist - but you're racist.

Full stop.

Just accept it.

If you voted against gay marriage, you're a homophobe. Full stop.
You might not hate guys - but you're still against them havibg the same rights as straight people. Homophobe.

Accept it.


Kennett whined "How dare you call me racist! I'm pro-immigration!" - immediately after he said that only white guys are capable of performing a security role at the footy.

He might not be Tony Abbott level racist - but he's racist. He might not be a bad person, but he's racist.

Just accept it.


These people embarrass themselves when they deny it.

Rubbish. Pure unadulterated rubbish.

[Dis Believer]

So a few dark skinned fellows don a high vis vest with the words behavioural awareness printed on it
and a bigot plays the race card to support his argument
Im surprised he hasn't raised the colour issue previously in the past with the dark skins peppering the boundary line as security guards
OK
I suppose the people crying about their rights & supporting him just don't like the mirror being held up in front of themselves

Try venturing out of a gender studies classroom occasionally and joining the working and middle class average Australians you clearly despise. You'll find they are not as racist as the chattering classes of the media, academia and politics like to make out. You may even find they are reasonably nice people with a great degree more commonsense than your good self. When a person has Indian appearance, and Indian accent and is clearly unaware of what constitutes acceptable behaviour at the football, then there is a problem. Labelling them a recent arrival is not racist, it is a matter of stating fact.

One fellow was so bereft of understanding that he tried to venture on to the field to separate two players!!! Yet still we have the SJW's piling on to scream "RACIST", because this is just TOO much of an opportunity to signal their virtue for them to resist.

[saynta]

Careful, Pav. Anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a racist/homophobe/sexist.

Makes them feel morally superior.

Personally, I’m none of those things but I’ll defend the rights of those who are to have those opinions and express them. It’s part of living in a free society

Cool story bro.

Keep fighting for the rights of the privileged to continue to oppress and withhold rights from the underprivileged.

They definitely need the help.

Yeah right, fall back on the crap, white, privileged and rich rubbish. Effing oppressed? Who is oppressed in this country comrade dudley? Whose rights are being withheld ffs?

[Dis Believer]

Back to Kennett's comments, they weren't inly racist, they were just stupid.

If you're not white, you weren't born here?? I mean WTF? What planet is he on?

And if you weren't born here, you don't know anything about the footy??? For real?

I wonder how many of Hawthorn's members were actually born here?


What stupid things to say.

That's not what he said. He said "they appeared to be new arrivals"....and how many people not born in Australia know anything about our indigenous game? One percent of the outside world if we're lucky!

So are you saying of all those "Behavioural Adjustment Officers" that are almost exclusively non-anglo are people of sub-contintental and African appearance that were all born here? Statistically that is about as likely as me winning lotto every week for the next month, and I think we are all cognisant of that, unless we are of sub-standard intelligence or delusional. His wording may have been clumsy, but the thrust of Kennet's remarks were accurate, a good proportion of those newly minted Gestapo officers could statistically safely be bet upon to be relatively recent arrivals with little to no background or understanding of our game.

[The_Dud]

Careful, Pav. Anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a racist/homophobe/sexist.

Makes them feel morally superior.

Personally, I’m none of those things but I’ll defend the rights of those who are to have those opinions and express them. It’s part of living in a free society

Cool story bro.

Keep fighting for the rights of the privileged to continue to oppress and withhold rights from the underprivileged.

They definitely need the help.

Yeah right, fall back on the crap, white, privileged and rich rubbish. Effing oppressed? Who is oppressed in this country comrade dudley? Whose rights are being withheld ffs?

Gay people had to fight tooth and nail to get the right to marry the person they loved. In 2017. Not 1917. 2017.

As a straight white man your skin colour has never been an obstacle to achieving success, your sexuality has never been an obstacle to achieving success, your gender has never been an obstacle to achieving success.

That is your privilege. Not saying it means you don’t have to work hard, just that you don’t have extra obstacles to overcome.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Did anyone see the security guard run on the field to try break up a fight in Tassie between a GWS and North player?

That was scary. Thank god the ump was there to send him back over the boundary.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Careful, Pav. Anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a racist/homophobe/sexist.

Makes them feel morally superior.

Personally, I’m none of those things but I’ll defend the rights of those who are to have those opinions and express them. It’s part of living in a free society

Cool story bro.

Keep fighting for the rights of the privileged to continue to oppress and withhold rights from the underprivileged.

They definitely need the help.

Yeah right, fall back on the crap, white, privileged and rich rubbish. Effing oppressed? Who is oppressed in this country comrade dudley? Whose rights are being withheld ffs?

Exactly Saynta. We really forget how good we have it here compared to some shitholes in the world and there are lots of them.

Just imagine living in China for example, you wouldn't be able to freely express your views like this or even visit such a forum. How bloody depressing!

[BarryGrogan]

So are you saying of all those "Behavioural Adjustment Officers" that are almost exclusively non-anglo are people of sub-contintental and African appearance that were all born here?

No. I'm not saying anuything of the sort.

I'm actually saying that unless I know that person, I have no idea where they were born. It's simply f****** moronic to assume anything simply by looking at someone.

His wording may have been clumsy, but the thrust of Kennet's remarks were accurate, a good proportion of those newly minted Gestapo officers could statistically safely be bet upon to be relatively recent arrivals with little to no background or understanding of our game.

It wasn't clumsy. It was racist.

He looked at them, saw they weren't white and in the true sense of ignorance - assumed they're not born here.

Then went a step further, and suggested that if you weren't born here, you can't be a security guard at the footy because you won't understand our culture.


The premise that a security guard policing people's behaviour should have a level of understanding sufficient enough to be able to differentiate between abusive and offensive behaviour, and just some battler barracking - is absolutely valid.

But that has ABSOLUTELY ZERO relevance to the colour of someone's skin.