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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
A process implies that the CEO and the board (or some panel of has beens) know the formula for a gameplan that can win finals and that they know the formula for building a playing list that can win finals. At least that's what I thought a process should mean...
Maybe it's more to do with getting another 'yes' man
Maybe it's more to do with getting another 'yes' man
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
Perhaps, but you would think they would know the kind of coach they want. What the hell are they there for then?Scollop wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 12:55pm A process implies that the CEO and the board (or some panel of has beens) know the formula for a gameplan that can win finals and that they know the formula for building a playing list that can win finals. At least that's what I thought a process should mean...
Maybe it's more to do with getting another 'yes' man
I don't expect the process (or whatever you want to call it) to be open, competitive or transparent but I don't think you should be able to appoint a mate either, do you?
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
You can rest assured that Simon Lethlean will not be doing anything whatsoever without full consultation with the President and through him the Board, least of all on such a fundamental matter as appointment of the next senior coach. So if there have indeed been discussions between Simon Lethlean and Brad Scott this will only have been done with the full support of the Board - no senior executive would take this upon himself and to suggest otherwise is foolhardy because it would lead to certain dismissal, and remember that Lethlean is a qualified lawyer!SaintPav wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 9:16amSo Lethlean has made a gentleman's agreement with Brad Scott?tony74 wrote: ↑Sun 30 Jun 2019 9:50pmYeah I think you are pretty well correct and I think the new boy has a gentleman’s agreement at this stage. But I will preface that by saying a few of our more well off supporters are putting their hand in their pocket hoping to entice an other.
Where’s the process?
Why does one person have so much discretion and authority?
First the Hanners trade and now this.
This is real cronyism.
I won't be renewing 2 memberships if this scenario transpires....this is just too much..
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
That's my view as well, I'm confident that Brad Scott will be very successful wherever he ends up as senior coach in 2020 and as I have mentioned on another post, I agree with the view expressed by Grant Thomas (whom I don't admire) that St Kilda can't risk going with an untried rookie coach again: the chances of finding another Luke Beveridge are not good.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 9:22am Scott nearly got North into the GF. He can coach. Yes, he is a bit of a wanker at times but I reckon he would lift our list to another playing level plus bring in 2-3 good players.
Maybe we need a hard arse.
To me, Brad Scott will provide the hard edge that St Kilda's teams lack, a notable example being yesterday when in the 3rd quarter and the Saints still in contention, the players overused the ball endlessly playing "keepings off" instead of relentless attack which ended up in several costly turnovers and Richmond goals.
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
Good post. Agree with this, but I am sure I heard that from the interview with Cho, the players were under instruction to play keepings off!!Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 2:40pmThat's my view as well, I'm confident that Brad Scott will be very successful wherever he ends up as senior coach in 2020 and as I have mentioned on another post, I agree with the view expressed by Grant Thomas (whom I don't admire) that St Kilda can't risk going with an untried rookie coach again: the chances of finding another Luke Beveridge are not good.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 9:22am Scott nearly got North into the GF. He can coach. Yes, he is a bit of a wanker at times but I reckon he would lift our list to another playing level plus bring in 2-3 good players.
Maybe we need a hard arse.
To me, Brad Scott will provide the hard edge that St Kilda's teams lack, a notable example being yesterday when in the 3rd quarter and the Saints still in contention, the players overused the ball endlessly playing "keepings off" instead of relentless attack which ended up in several costly turnovers and Richmond goals.
That is commonly called risk minimisation…….
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Agreed. I think Scott is firming as head coach for 2020. Something is going on in this space btw...unless Alan can draw a magic rabbit out of the hat for the remainder of the year.Sanctorum wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 2:40pmThat's my view as well, I'm confident that Brad Scott will be very successful wherever he ends up as senior coach in 2020 and as I have mentioned on another post, I agree with the view expressed by Grant Thomas (whom I don't admire) that St Kilda can't risk going with an untried rookie coach again: the chances of finding another Luke Beveridge are not good.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 9:22am Scott nearly got North into the GF. He can coach. Yes, he is a bit of a wanker at times but I reckon he would lift our list to another playing level plus bring in 2-3 good players.
Maybe we need a hard arse.
To me, Brad Scott will provide the hard edge that St Kilda's teams lack, a notable example being yesterday when in the 3rd quarter and the Saints still in contention, the players overused the ball endlessly playing "keepings off" instead of relentless attack which ended up in several costly turnovers and Richmond goals.
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Isn’t tony74 talking about Ratten? Not that I think his word is gospel.SaintPav wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 9:16amSo Lethlean has made a gentleman's agreement with Brad Scott?tony74 wrote: ↑Sun 30 Jun 2019 9:50pmYeah I think you are pretty well correct and I think the new boy has a gentleman’s agreement at this stage. But I will preface that by saying a few of our more well off supporters are putting their hand in their pocket hoping to entice an other.
Where’s the process?
Why does one person have so much discretion and authority?
First the Hanners trade and now this.
This is real cronyism.
I won't be renewing 2 memberships if this scenario transpires....this is just too much..
But a lot of people are quoting you without looking at what T74 wrote.
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Interesting. You could be right Kosi, though I didn't read it that way.kosifantutti wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 3:20pmIsn’t tony74 talking about Ratten? Not that I think his word is gospel.SaintPav wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 9:16amSo Lethlean has made a gentleman's agreement with Brad Scott?tony74 wrote: ↑Sun 30 Jun 2019 9:50pmYeah I think you are pretty well correct and I think the new boy has a gentleman’s agreement at this stage. But I will preface that by saying a few of our more well off supporters are putting their hand in their pocket hoping to entice an other.
Where’s the process?
Why does one person have so much discretion and authority?
First the Hanners trade and now this.
This is real cronyism.
I won't be renewing 2 memberships if this scenario transpires....this is just too much..
But a lot of people are quoting you without looking at what T74 wrote.
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
Was it Brad Scott who monsterd Rooey when he had a broken shoulder or was it his equally arsehole of a brother?
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Think it was both brothers plus a few other players. They were a tough side back then the Bears...and bastards. Very Leigh Matthews like.
That expierence made Rooey a better play though I reckon.
You wouldn't get away with that these days either.
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If I recall rightly one of them through Lenny into the fence at the Gabba. Lenny was out for 4-5 weeks with a broken hand and the relevant thug didn't even get reported.
Brisbane always got special treatment on that front, but then again, they were different days I suppose.
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
yeah, threw him into the fence, and then said "sorry mate", so need for a report.suss wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 6:34pmIf I recall rightly one of them through Lenny into the fence at the Gabba. Lenny was out for 4-5 weeks with a broken hand and the relevant thug didn't even get reported.
Brisbane always got special treatment on that front, but then again, they were different days I suppose.
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I think Chris threw Lenny into the fence and Brad + Michael targeted Roo
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
I reckon Norf have a few young blokes that have all had the second/third year blues too. One thing I reckon would be different is the Carlton game a couple years back, when Cho demoralised our playing group in public, you aren't ever going to see that from Brad. I still reckon that was the turning point in Cho's career, and why we're even discussing this crap now. Should have won a premiership since that gametedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Mon 01 Jul 2019 9:22am Scott nearly got North into the GF. He can coach. Yes, he is a bit of a wanker at times but I reckon he would lift our list to another playing level plus bring in 2-3 good players.
Maybe we need a hard arse.
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And you claim it's not personal with you. That's a fair crack at a man's character which is interesting considering you wouldn't know each other if you crashed into each other.
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
Richo won't call it. We are only two games outside the 8 with some winnable games coming up. If we are a chance of the eight is still there sinus richo. 8 games left I think so no movement or notice there of will occur until August
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Only 1 game out plus %. Pretty amazing.
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It’s not that simple however I can’t be bothered explaining the intricacies to you. But I’ll give you a head start: Have a look at who we’ve beaten & their ladder position, our percentage, scoring for & against & the last 8 or so weeks. Not much different to last year to be honest. But yea, amazing stuff.
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
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We are 4 points behind Freo. That equals 1 game.
To simplify it:
4 points = 1 game.
I think it's amazing we are only 1 game out of the 8 along with a host of other sides.
We are 4 points behind Freo. That equals 1 game.
To simplify it:
4 points = 1 game.
I think it's amazing we are only 1 game out of the 8 along with a host of other sides.
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It’s not really a crack. He’s been deadman walking for a while there.HighettMan wrote: ↑Tue 02 Jul 2019 10:11amAnd you claim it's not personal with you. That's a fair crack at a man's character which is interesting considering you wouldn't know each other if you crashed into each other.
I’ll point out that you introduced character here as this is your thread. What basis do you have to say that he’ll call it himself..? None! Is none the answer?
Tony, a recognised ITK, is saying with certainty that he won’t be coaching next year. The results almost guarantee that we won’t make finals and he hasn’t called it.
As usual, my opinion is formed off the facts... and you are completely emotional. And of course you play the personal card... don’t know the man, haven’t met him, no interactions, don’t know anyone that knows him.
Based on what I see, it’s pretty clear and has been for a long time that he won’t be a successful coach at our club. The fact that I didn’t delude myself into thinking he’s Alistair Clarkson and Allen Jeans incarnate like you, building a legacy for the ages with a scarily flexible team does not make a cold SOB. Just makes me a rationale one unlike you and your hyper-emotional outbursts.
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Listening to SEN today, as they've had a few Kanga players past and present on and I may be reading into it but I dont get a great sense that Brad Scott was the most popular guy at the club. They're saying all the cliche things about how good a coach he is and all that but none of them sounding hugely convincing, whilst their enthusiasm ,when describing Rhys Shaw, was noticeable. Maybe it was just time to move on for everyone at the club but I'm really not seeing what BS is going to bring to the table. This is concerning.
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Re: Alan Will Call it Himself.
how so Ted ?
freo 107.2
saints 82.1
so thats 1 game and 24.9 %
thats some victory
freo 107.2
saints 82.1
so thats 1 game and 24.9 %
thats some victory
.name the ways , thought manipulates the State of Presence away.
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Hmm, interesting. maybe it's easier for them to just think it's all BS's fault and just start fresh (quite similar to many of us with Cho???) I don't know, I still reckon Stan Alves should have kept his job...but a few players didn't like him eitherstkfc1 wrote: ↑Tue 02 Jul 2019 12:34pm Listening to SEN today, as they've had a few Kanga players past and present on and I may be reading into it but I dont get a great sense that Brad Scott was the most popular guy at the club. They're saying all the cliche things about how good a coach he is and all that but none of them sounding hugely convincing, whilst their enthusiasm ,when describing Rhys Shaw, was noticeable. Maybe it was just time to move on for everyone at the club but I'm really not seeing what BS is going to bring to the table. This is concerning.
Watching Rooey with his boys the other day, couldn't help wonder if either of them might be our next flag captain? Hope I can stick around long enough then
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The win/loss ratio of 6/8 in reality belies the true situation because the way the Saints have been playing indicates to me that the team will struggle to win another game.tedtheodorelogan2018 wrote: ↑Tue 02 Jul 2019 11:17am ?
We are 4 points behind Freo. That equals 1 game.
To simplify it:
4 points = 1 game.
I think it's amazing we are only 1 game out of the 8 along with a host of other sides.
There is not another fixture remaining where I feel St Kilda are likely to defeat their upcoming opponent, and that includes the teams currently outside the 8: North, Footscray, Melbourne, Carlton and South Melbourne, all teams that are showing much better form lately......unless St Kilda make radical changes to the way they play and improved game plans set by the coaches.
It is the lack of vigour and attack, and the "keepings off - over ball use" style that makes watching St Kilda play so agonising; the team has the players with the requisite skills and abilities to win games, but it is as if they are conditioned to simply prevent the other team from scoring and so they are not using their natural flair.
This is the way that Ross Lyon gets his teams to play and guess what: St Kilda's Director of Coaching learnt his craft from Ross Lyon, going back to 2007 as a development coach, and he is there today directing the coaches of 2019. This to me is a major reason why the team is failing, and until that man goes St Kilda will remain adrift in the bottom half of the competition!
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