st.byron wrote: ↑Thu 04 Jul 2019 9:40am
The_Dud wrote: ↑Wed 03 Jul 2019 9:36pm
st.byron wrote: ↑Wed 03 Jul 2019 9:05pm
The_Dud wrote: ↑Wed 03 Jul 2019 7:58pm
It is worrying we are in the age of ‘alternative facts’.
Society has never had this much access to information and what do we end up with? Anti-vax, flat earth, climate denying, anti-gmo, alternative medicine loving idiots.
Not good!
There’s a lot of value in paradigms that are not based on Western science. Only a rusted on Western science linear cause and effect, “if you can’t see it you can’t measure it” person would fail to see that. Am curious to know if you regard Chinese medicine as ‘alternative’?
GMO farming may be providing access to food sources, but at what cost? What cost to bio-diversity and the environment? Monsanto, the world GMO leader, is about to go under in the next few years from the weight of lawsuits for their unconscionable behaviour with Roundup. Glyphosate is now being found in unborn babies. It’s everywhere.
Just because people don’t follow mainstream science as their god of choice doesn’t make them idiots. In fact, blanket labelling people who consider alternatives says more about your narrow mindedness than it does about the people you label.
I don’t think there is such a thing as ‘Western science’.
There is only one type of medicine, that is medicine (regardless of origin) that has been proven under the scientific method to work. Everything else (alternative medicine, homeopathy, etc) has either not been proven to work, or proven not to work. I don’t know why people fight this idea, the scientific method for this testing is unbiased and heavily scrutinised. Unlike religion, ‘science’ is happy to be proven wrong and change it’s stance.
Every fruit and vegetable you eat has been genetically modified at some stage over time using some method. The method we use now is the best, most accurate and safest we’ve ever had.
Monsanto already doesn’t really exist anymore, as it has been absorbed by Bayer. The court cases regarding roundup were decided by civilians with no science background, and were not based in scientific evidence. Glyphosate is a much safer option than the previous alternatives used.
If people want to throw their money away on stuff that has absolutely no benefit, then that’s their choice. But when people start dying because they don’t have the ability to make an informed choice or have been influenced by some charlatan selling snake oil, that’s when this issue gets deadly serious.
Spoken like a true Western science worshipper and you even deny there’s such a thing as western science......ok....only the dominant thinking paradigm in our culture for the past century. Classic that you’re so ingrained in it, that you don’t believe there are any valid alternatives. Very narrow. Don’t have time right now to address all of the things in your post however....... I take it you regard Chinese medicine as unproven and ‘alternative’? When I studied Chinese Medicine my teacher related a story from his teacher of Chinese medicine, who had been practising for 50 years. He asked his teacher, “What do you think of Western medicine”? The teacher answered, “It’s too early to tell”. Western science takes a linear causative approach, which logically leads to breaking down systems into their component parts in an effort to understand them. Other ‘scientific’ paradigms like Chinese medicine for example, look at the whole system and the inter-relatedness of all the parts as the basis of their science. It’s been going for 3000 years and is incredibly refined and complex.
Interesting how repeatedly claim I’m a “worshipper” and “ingrained”, but then turn around and admit you are
literally invested in Chinese medicine!
I never said Chinese medicine is all bulls***, if it has been proven to work then I’m all for it. And if it hasn’t, then I’m not, and it can sit in with all the other snake oil.
If you claim something works then you should be able to prove that it works, and why and how it does. I find it baffling that anyone would have an issue with this concept?
What is your opinion on animals being driven to extinction by Chinese medicine? What do you think of Rhinos being poached for their horns (made up of the same stuff as our fingernails, thanks science
) for treatments that, wait for it, have zero evidence to back them up?
Lastly, I love it how science has given you everything to allow you to post on this website, from electricity, your computer and mobile, the internet, and everything in between. It has GPS satellites in space, can transplant organs from one human to another, and has landed robots on Mars 54,000,000 km away. I bet you don’t question that an iPhone works, but when this same science tells you that some Chinese medicine might be bulls**t you crack the poos and say it doesn’t know what it’s talking about!
Priceless!
) for treatments that, wait for it, have zero evidence to back them up?
