Skrobolak new Forward coach

[B.M]

So Richmond

McQualter - Forward, played as a forward in 2009-2011
Leppitsch - Backline
Kingsley - Midfield
McRae - Dev Forward
X Clarke - Dev Midfield

Hmm?....

Obviously you can find examples, so could I where coaches are experienced in their line.

Not many with no coaching experience at the level, coaching a line though.

[bigcarl]

Does a former forward necessarily make a good forwards coach?

You could argue that a former defender’s equally well qualified. He knows what used to get under his skin and work against him.

I don’t see why a ruckman couldn’t do it. If he’s a lateral thinker and has a good football brain.

Let’s see how he goes.

[freely]

Let's face it, he can't do worse than Ratten.

[saintsRrising]

So how did our new forwards coach go?

Biggest score for the year and more goals than behinds.....

[ace]

Ratten has a big decision to make.
Let this amateur remain as forward coach and win games that Ratten needs to become permanent head coach.
Or sack Skobalak as forward coach because he is demonstrating that Ratten was a lousy forward coach and maybe head coach prospect.

Or could it be that coaching is simple except for simpletons who have played the game.
Maybe able to save money by lopping a zero off their salaries.

[The Recruit]

Genius

[Rubyjo]

Ratten has a big decision to make.
Let this amateur remain as forward coach and win games that Ratten needs to become permanent head coach.
Or sack Skobalak as forward coach because he is demonstrating that Ratten was a lousy forward coach and maybe head coach prospect.

Or could it be that coaching is simple except for simpletons who have played the game.
Maybe able to save money by lopping a zero off their salaries.

Good lord..

[ace]

Ratten has a big decision to make.
Let this amateur remain as forward coach and win games that Ratten needs to become permanent head coach.
Or sack Skobalak as forward coach because he is demonstrating that Ratten was a lousy forward coach and maybe head coach prospect.

Or could it be that coaching is simple except for simpletons who have played the game.
Maybe able to save money by lopping a zero off their salaries.

Good lord..

The Good Lord Is a Saints supporter.
He hates Demons (and Magpies).

[barks4eva]

Genius

Time to sack Ratten and appoint Strobolak caretaker senior coach for the rest of the season.

[supersaints2]

I didn’t say coaches have no impact, of course they do, particularly line coaches who work directly with their line players. Head coaches influence how well the line coaches coach.
And the head coach can make strategic moves on match day, to effect the game.

They just don’t have the absolute influence over results, and the talent level of a team is far more important.

I’ll give you an extreme example
If I coached an AFL team against Al Clarkson coaching a VFL team, I would get a win over Al. A 4 time premiership coach.

When two teams are closely matched, the coach can definitely be the deciding factor.

Which team that we were closely matched with this year, did we lose to?

Tony, I’m sure you’re a lovely guy, and I like hearing your positive news updates, but I reckon if Satan was appointed to coach at StK, you’d be convinced that it was a great move and tell us how fantastic he is in the role.

Ok BM ... I'll call you out , on your coaching prowess..I'll give Clarkson either Richmond or Essendon VFL sides and you Golf coast...
Clarko would kick your arse.

[supersaints2]

That's Gold Coast....

[Dis Believer]

That's Gold Coast....

I think you were right the first time.....

[SaintPav]

Don’t think there are too many 1.8M dollar houses in Dandy

Lets face it. Melbourne has gone from the "world's most livable city" to." Who the f*** would want to live there? "

1.8 mil houses or not.

Melbourne was never the most liveable city. They are very flawed surveys.

Melbourne has become a sh*t hole.

[saintsRrising]

Ok BM ... I'll call you out , on your coaching prowess..I'll give Clarkson either Richmond or Essendon VFL sides and you Golf coast...
Clarko would kick your arse.

What about the Cats?

Clarko smacked Scott's arse last week with a theoretically poorer team.

[B.M]

Geelong are playing poorly at the moment, have you not been watching the footy?

Teams have worked them out a bit, even we only lost to them by 4 goals, the 15th ranked team vs the 1st ranked team. Opposition teams don’t kick the ball high and deep forward against them, not allowing Geelong defenders to mark it and rebound. And they put work into Kelly.

Clarko is a great coach, no doubt, and he influences games. But without the cattle, where is his team sitting? If coaching was the be all and end all, he would never be out of the top 4

Hardwick was missing Lambert, Astbury, Cotchin and Edwards for three weeks - LOST every game! Got them all back, and have won three games since! Was Hardwick coaching poorly, then all of a sudden was coaching well? Or was he exactly the same with better players.

BTW
I’d take that bet with the GC Suns vs a VFL team, if it’s Richmond, they need to pick a senior team of 23 players (a carry over emergency). Then they pick their next lot of players.

I’ll line up my side, and let the boys go out and play.

See how Richmond reserves go against
Miller, Sexton, Witts, Swallow, Martin, Weller, Harbrow, McPherson, Day, King, Wright, Brodie, Fiorini, Honbsch, Bowes, Miles, Answerth.

Put it this way, Miles was the best Richmond VFL player by the length of the straight last year. He’d be on my team.

Let’s see how Callum Coleman Jones at 19yo goes against 209cm man mountain Pitts who leads the AFL in hit outs.

Touk Miller, Miles and Brodie would have a field day.

[saintsRrising]

If coaching was the be all and end all,

No one says that it is.

What many say though is that coaching can make a difference, both in negative way, as in a positive way.

PS: If coaching does not matter, why the huge spray on who our forward's coach was going to be for 6 weeks?

[B.M]

Because I think it does matter, just not to the extent people think. (especially line coaches who need to be tactically strong, head coaches need to be able to manage the coaches and the players).

Question
Who would you prefer to coach our forwards in 2020. Jarrod Roughead or Skrobolak?

[B.M]

Basically AR was being blamed for every loss and he was the reason we were playing poorly.

When blind Freddy could see our list and injury list was the primary reason for our performance.

We won at the start of the year - Easy Draw
Then we had some tough games
We beat GC up there mid year
And We will win a few on the way home -Easy run again

Reckon we’ll win 9 games, which I thought after R9

Hawthorn, Essendon, Melbourne and WB were good wins, the others as expected
All our losses we really as expected, especially given our injury list.

[saintsRrising]

Question
Who would you prefer to coach our forwards in 2020. Jarrod Roughead or Skrobolak?

Well Roughie has already been talking with the Saints about next year. You would imagine that this would be for a full-time role.

For 2020, if it was a choice of just those two I would go with Roughie. But who knows they may want him as our ruck coach. Our 1st Ruck next looks to b ea guy that can damage teams both in the ruck and when pushing forward.

For our last 6 games I have no issue with going with Skrobolak.

We are testing out Ratten. So why not test out Skrobolak?

[B.M]

Why can’t Lade be the ruck coach? Considering he is a premiership ruckman, who played 200 games as a very good AFL ruckman?

On Skrobolak, the guy may well be a good football coach, and good communicator, good developer and probably good guy.

And you’re right, for the six weeks of this season what’s the big deal?

But, regardless of how he goes, I want a forward EXPERT coaching our forwards in 2020.

And my choice is Jarrod Roughead.

I also want an expert mid coaching the mids, but would get laughed off the site if I gave my preference.
That’s given, Hayes, Mitchell, Harvey we’re off the table.

[The Barometer]

Why can’t Lade be the ruck coach? Considering he is a premiership ruckman, who played 200 games as a very good AFL ruckman?

On Skrobolak, the guy may well be a good football coach, and good communicator, good developer and probably good guy.

And you’re right, for the six weeks of this season what’s the big deal?

But, regardless of how he goes, I want a forward EXPERT coaching our forwards in 2020.

And my choice is Jarrod Roughead.

I also want an expert mid coaching the mids, but would get laughed off the site if I gave my preference.
That’s given, Hayes, Mitchell, Harvey we’re off the table.

Just so we are clear, coaches matter unless they don’t matter. A player who improves is down to the player and not the coach. An expert line coach can’t have played another position unless they are successful as a line coach then it doesn’t matter whether they played that position.

Roughhead has no coaching experience so why is he your 1st for Forward coach? Does it matter as king will improve anyway?

[B.M]

Never said coaches DONT matter, just that they are not the ONLY thing that matters. Which was the commentary I’ve read on here for twelve months.

Clarkson is a great coach, but he’s not a miracle worker, as results this season indicate... they are just not that good... as he has even stated

AR was not a great tactical coach it seems, but he wasn’t clueless as nuffies would have you believe... he’s been in the industry for 15 years, you don’t last that long or get jobs if you have NO idea. Just didn’t work out at StK for a plethora of reasons.

Second Q

Because Roughead played around 250 games as a Key Forward under the best coach of the modern era. He was captain, suggesting he was a pretty good leader, and he is one of the most respected figures in the industry. He has played in 4 premierships so knows what success looks like. He won a Coleman medal, which suggests he knew how to get around in the forward line. He’s played in a buddy-centric forward line, and a buddy-less forward line.

[B.M]

You can try as hard as you like Barometer, you won’t bother me. I’ve been around on this site for nearly 20 years, and had to put up with people like P66 among others. Your little jibes are amusing though.

[The Barometer]

Never said coaches DONT matter, just that they are not the ONLY thing that matters. Which was the commentary I’ve read on here for twelve months.

Clarkson is a great coach, but he’s not a miracle worker, as results this season indicate... they are just not that good... as he has even stated

AR was not a great tactical coach it seems, but he wasn’t clueless as nuffies would have you believe... he’s been in the industry for 15 years, you don’t last that long or get jobs if you have NO idea. Just didn’t work out at StK for a plethora of reasons.

Second Q

Because Roughead played around 250 games as a Key Forward under the best coach of the modern era. He was captain, suggesting he was a pretty good leader, and he is one of the most respected figures in the industry. He has played in 4 premierships so knows what success looks like. He won a Coleman medal, which suggests he knew how to get around in the forward line. He’s played in a buddy-centric forward line, and a buddy-less forward line.

You did say coaches should coach the line they played. Whearas many teams have coaches from different positions.
Your opinion on roughhead is valid as a player but he has not proved a thing as a coach. Skrokoblak has been promoted. In my experience people get promoted on performance and potential so there must be something there.
I certainly don’t believe Richo was clueless But didn’t have all attributes to be a senior Coach so he is gone.

[The Barometer]

You can try as hard as you like Barometer, you won’t bother me. I’ve been around on this site for nearly 20 years, and had to put up with people like P66 among others. Your little jibes are amusing though.

. You’ve been here two weeks not sure.who p66 is. Jibes, holes, flawed arguments, whatevever floats your boat.