Reasons for optimism in 2020: St Kilda - Max King

[BarryGrogan]

Aside from plahimg for St Kilda amd wearing no. 12 - he is a completely different player to Riewoldt.

Entirely different.

yeah, he's taller

Riewoldt was a Half Forward Flanker.

He was just So good at it amd so talented and gifted that he drew the attenation of a KPP.

Both from his own team and the opposition.


King is an entirely different player. Completely different in almost every way.

Have you watched him play before last night?

Yes, saw them both at school.

You would also know the coach of thier school footy team then huh. What did you think of his last 2 school games and how he was coached in those games?

Bump.

Why would I know his coach?

What a strange thing to say.

[saynta]

so I don't agree with you..is that ok ?

Of course it is.


But I wasn't talking about physical attributes. I said he was a totally different player.

Very different things.

and I disagree with you.

Be honest, how the hell can you say that Max King plays like this?

https://www.saints.com.au/video/323569/ ... 9277451001


One is a 190 ish cm half forward and the other is a 203cm straight line running KPP.

Completely different.

I actually heard Rooey say on tellie on thursday night that he was 194cm tall. Big difference. He was a key forward ffs, not a flanker.

[samoht]

King has a long way to go,but I think he could (not saying he will) average as many goals per game with only half the possessions and work-rate that Roo exhibited and relied on.
I see some clues already - and if he'd held a couple of marks that he should have held - he would have had 3 goals.

[BarryGrogan]

so I don't agree with you..is that ok ?

Of course it is.


But I wasn't talking about physical attributes. I said he was a totally different player.

Very different things.

and I disagree with you.

Be honest, how the hell can you say that Max King plays like this?

https://www.saints.com.au/video/323569/ ... 9277451001


One is a 190 ish cm half forward and the other is a 203cm straight line running KPP.

Completely different.

I actually heard Rooey say on tellie on thursday night that he was 194cm tall. Big difference. He was a key forward ffs, not a flanker.

Hmm. Interesting, a Key Forward receiving handballs up near the wing and kicking long to Barry Hall and Aaron Hamill? Seems odd.


Did you watch the video?

[Secret Kiel]

Aside from plahimg for St Kilda amd wearing no. 12 - he is a completely different player to Riewoldt.

Entirely different.

yeah, he's taller

Riewoldt was a Half Forward Flanker.

He was just So good at it amd so talented and gifted that he drew the attenation of a KPP.

Both from his own team and the opposition.


King is an entirely different player. Completely different in almost every way.

Have you watched him play before last night?

Yes, saw them both at school.

You would also know the coach of thier school footy team then huh. What did you think of his last 2 school games and how he was coached in those games?

Bump.

Why would I know his coach?

What a strange thing to say.

What's strange is you claim you go to school matches but you said in the China thread you don't go to any saints games. That to me suggests you have a reason to be watching school boys footy and thus would know who the coach is, especially the Hailbury coach and the chatter around how Kingy was being coached at school.

[The Fireman]

Max is almost a carbon copy.

[saynta]

so I don't agree with you..is that ok ?

Of course it is.


But I wasn't talking about physical attributes. I said he was a totally different player.

Very different things.

and I disagree with you.

Be honest, how the hell can you say that Max King plays like this?

https://www.saints.com.au/video/323569/ ... 9277451001


One is a 190 ish cm half forward and the other is a 203cm straight line running KPP.

Completely different.

I actually heard Rooey say on tellie on thursday night that he was 194cm tall. Big difference. He was a key forward ffs, not a flanker.

Hmm. Interesting, a Key Forward receiving handballs up near the wing and kicking long to Barry Hall and Aaron Hamill? Seems odd.


Did you watch the video?

No and I don't try and rewrite history either.

[saynta]

King has a long way to go,but I think he could (not saying he will) average as many goals per game with only half the possessions and work-rate that Roo exhibited and relied on.
I see some clues already - and if he'd held a couple of marks that he should have held - he would have had 3 goals.

His brother did alright last night.

[Secret Kiel]

King has a long way to go,but I think he could (not saying he will) average as many goals per game with only half the possessions and work-rate that Roo exhibited and relied on.
I see some clues already - and if he'd held a couple of marks that he should have held - he would have had 3 goals.

I reckon those marks he dropped, especially the one drilled down his bread basket were symptamatic of him needing to adjust to the elite pace. It was his first taste of it and as much as he would have had it explained to him, the difference in pace and intensity, he still would have been anxious.

[samoht]

King has a long way to go,but I think he could (not saying he will) average as many goals per game with only half the possessions and work-rate that Roo exhibited and relied on.
I see some clues already - and if he'd held a couple of marks that he should have held - he would have had 3 goals.

I reckon those marks he dropped, especially the one drilled down his bread basket were symptamatic of him needing to adjust to the elite pace. It was his first taste of it and as much as he would have had it explained to him, the difference in pace and intensity, he still would have been anxious.

Tony Lockett only averaged 8.4 kicks, (1.8 handballs and 6.3 marks) over his career -- for his amazing average of 4.8 goals per game. That's an incredible strike-rate of goals per possession (if I can borrow a one-day cricket term)
If Max King can work his way up towards 8-10 forward possessions per game over the next couple of years (by holding those marks - the one in the bread basket, etc..) - he doesn't need Rooey-like numbers - he might do alright (assuming a better strike-rate than Roo).
Whatever will be, will be, of course.

[BarryGrogan]

Aside from plahimg for St Kilda amd wearing no. 12 - he is a completely different player to Riewoldt.

Entirely different.

yeah, he's taller

Riewoldt was a Half Forward Flanker.

He was just So good at it amd so talented and gifted that he drew the attenation of a KPP.

Both from his own team and the opposition.


King is an entirely different player. Completely different in almost every way.

Have you watched him play before last night?

Yes, saw them both at school.

You would also know the coach of thier school footy team then huh. What did you think of his last 2 school games and how he was coached in those games?

Bump.

Why would I know his coach?

What a strange thing to say.

What's strange is you claim you go to school matches but you said in the China thread you don't go to any saints games. That to me suggests you have a reason to be watching school boys footy and thus would know who the coach is, especially the Hailbury coach and the chatter around how Kingy was being coached at school.

Of course I know who the coach is.


As for the rest of it - I don't see how that's strange at all.

[BarryGrogan]

so I don't agree with you..is that ok ?

Of course it is.


But I wasn't talking about physical attributes. I said he was a totally different player.

Very different things.

and I disagree with you.

Be honest, how the hell can you say that Max King plays like this?

https://www.saints.com.au/video/323569/ ... 9277451001


One is a 190 ish cm half forward and the other is a 203cm straight line running KPP.

Completely different.

I actually heard Rooey say on tellie on thursday night that he was 194cm tall. Big difference. He was a key forward ffs, not a flanker.

Hmm. Interesting, a Key Forward receiving handballs up near the wing and kicking long to Barry Hall and Aaron Hamill? Seems odd.


Did you watch the video?

No and I don't try and rewrite history either.

Well that's why videos are handy. You don't have to. Just watch it.

[The Fireman]

I think I'll give Barry a wide berth.

[Secret Kiel]

Aside from plahimg for St Kilda amd wearing no. 12 - he is a completely different player to Riewoldt.

Entirely different.

yeah, he's taller

Riewoldt was a Half Forward Flanker.

He was just So good at it amd so talented and gifted that he drew the attenation of a KPP.

Both from his own team and the opposition.


King is an entirely different player. Completely different in almost every way.

Have you watched him play before last night?

Yes, saw them both at school.

You would also know the coach of thier school footy team then huh. What did you think of his last 2 school games and how he was coached in those games?

Bump.

Why would I know his coach?

What a strange thing to say.

What's strange is you claim you go to school matches but you said in the China thread you don't go to any saints games. That to me suggests you have a reason to be watching school boys footy and thus would know who the coach is, especially the Hailbury coach and the chatter around how Kingy was being coached at school.

Of course I know who the coach is.


As for the rest of it - I don't see how that's strange at all.

So you are on the record as saying you have little interest in watching Saints games but you made the effort to get and watch a school boys game, and you didn't know who the coach was or how he coached Kingy but are very strong in your opinion about what type of player he is based on that one school boys game. It's stranger than strange.

[BarryGrogan]

So you are on the record as saying you have little interest in watching Saints games but you made the effort to get and watch a school boys game, and you didn't know who the coach was or how he coached Kingy but are very strong in your opinion about what type of player he is based on that one school boys game. It's stranger than strange.

You're a very unusual poster. You seem to argue for the sake of arguing. That is the very thing that ruins forums. It's a really odd trait for an adult.

You should address it.


Watching video of a few school footy games is not unusual. It's hardly strange.
Attending one or two Games when when you have an interest in an opposition player is hardly strange.

You asked if I knew the coach. I've never met Matthew Lloyd in my life. That's not strange either.


I've seen him play school footy, seen him play VFL footy, watched him train and seen him play an AFL praccy match.

I saw Riewoldt's first game, and many, many more after that.

I don't think it's even remotely strange to form an opinion on how each play at all.



What is it that you're arguing about here? You seem to be getting yourself into a tangled mess of idiocy again though. You keep doing it to yourself.

This is what happens when people just argue things for the sake if it. You end up ruining threads, and looking really foolish along the way.

[The Fireman]

You're a very unusual poster. You seem to argue for the sake of arguing. That is the very thing that ruins forums. It's a really odd trait for an adult.

You should address it.

yes you remind me of a poster of the past .

[Secret Kiel]

So you are on the record as saying you have little interest in watching Saints games but you made the effort to get and watch a school boys game, and you didn't know who the coach was or how he coached Kingy but are very strong in your opinion about what type of player he is based on that one school boys game. It's stranger than strange.

You're a very unusual poster. You seem to argue for the sake of arguing. That is the very thing that ruins forums. It's a really odd trait for an adult.

You should address it.


Watching video of a few school footy games is not unusual. It's hardly strange.
Attending one or two Games when when you have an interest in an opposition player is hardly strange.

You asked if I knew the coach. I've never met Matthew Lloyd in my life. That's not strange either.


I've seen him play school footy, seen him play VFL footy, watched him train and seen him play an AFL praccy match.

I saw Riewoldt's first game, and many, many more after that.

I don't think it's even remotely strange to form an opinion on how each play at all.



What is it that you're arguing about here? You seem to be getting yourself into a tangled mess of idiocy again though. You keep doing it to yourself.

This is what happens when people just argue things for the sake if it. You end up ruining threads, and looking really foolish along the way.

Mathew Lloyd wasn't the coach of that game. Nice deflection. You have created the argument about how you strongly believe Kingy isnt anyting like Roo and I asked you if you have ever watched him play and your response was you watched him play school boys which is clearly BS becuse Mathew Lloyd was not the coach, Loydy was certainly a mentor but he didn't coach the team. Maybe you have got your Mathews mixed up.

It's interesting that when the discussion starts to require some articulation or presentation of facts you get on the front foot with deflection. Now that's intersting and strange all in one.

Happy to get things back to the debate you started though, so based on schoolboy grade footy, in your mind what characteristics or attributes of Kingys game make you so sure he is nothing like Roo? I'm genuinely interested as I was in the beginning before you started the deflection.

[BarryGrogan]

Mathew Lloyd wasn't the coach of that game. Nice deflection. You have created the argument about how you strongly believe Kingy isnt anyting like Roo and I asked you if you have ever watched him play and your response was you watched him play school boys which is clearly BS becuse Mathew Lloyd was not the coach, Loydy was certainly a mentor but he didn't coach the team. Maybe you have got your Mathews mixed up.

Why would I know who coaches Hailebury? Why should I know that?

I can't see the relevance at all.


If you're suggesting that I Have never seen King play school boy footy - you're wrong.

It's interesting that when the discussion starts to require some articulation or presentation of facts you get on the front foot with deflection. Now that's intersting and strange all in one.

What's interesting, is that you believe this type of interaction is normal.

I stated an opinion, that King is nothing like Riewoldt as a player. Some disagree, others may agree.

I presented reasons for my view, and videos to demonstrate it.

The rest of your nonsense is just wasting everyone's time.

Happy to get things back to the debate you started though, so based on schoolboy grade footy, in your mind what characteristics or attributes of Kingys game make you so sure he is nothing like Roo? I'm genuinely interested as I was in the beginning before you started the deflection.

If you were genuinely interested, you'd have engaged in a discussion, like others have.

If you're just being juvenile, you'd go ahead and do what you always do. Which is exactly what you've done.

[Secret Kiel]

So you are on the record as saying you have little interest in watching Saints games but you made the effort to get and watch a school boys game, and you didn't know who the coach was or how he coached Kingy but are very strong in your opinion about what type of player he is based on that one school boys game. It's stranger than strange.

You're a very unusual poster. You seem to argue for the sake of arguing. That is the very thing that ruins forums. It's a really odd trait for an adult.

You should address it.


Watching video of a few school footy games is not unusual. It's hardly strange.
Attending one or two Games when when you have an interest in an opposition player is hardly strange.

You asked if I knew the coach. I've never met Matthew Lloyd in my life. That's not strange either.


I've seen him play school footy, seen him play VFL footy, watched him train and seen him play an AFL praccy match.

I saw Riewoldt's first game, and many, many more after that.

I don't think it's even remotely strange to form an opinion on how each play at all.



What is it that you're arguing about here? You seem to be getting yourself into a tangled mess of idiocy again though. You keep doing it to yourself.

This is what happens when people just argue things for the sake if it. You end up ruining threads, and looking really foolish along the way.

Mathew Lloyd wasn't the coach of that game. Nice deflection. You have created the argument about how you strongly believe Kingy isnt anyting like Roo and I asked you if you have ever watched him play and your response was you watched him play school boys which is clearly BS becuse Mathew Lloyd was not the coach, Loydy was certainly a mentor but he didn't coach the team. Maybe you have got your Mathews mixed up.

It's interesting that when the discussion starts to require some articulation or presentation of facts you get on the front foot with deflection. Now that's intersting and strange all in one.

Happy to get things back to the debate you started though, so based on schoolboy grade footy, in your mind what characteristics or attributes of Kingys game make you so sure he is nothing like Roo? I'm genuinely interested as I was in the beginning before you started the deflection.

Why would I know who coaches Hailebury?

Oh here we go, again with the Trump antics.

I think I'll take a leaf out of Firemans book and take a wide birth from convo with you as it gets too wierd.

[BarryGrogan]

I think I'll take a leaf out of Firemans book and take a wide birth from convo with you as it gets too wierd.

You should.

You're just not smart enough to play these little childish games that you resort to constantly.

What happened here is that you embarrassed yourself. You failed to consider that I wasn't attending a school boy match to watch King. He was on the opposition team.

But being the rookie that you are, you thought you had a gotcha moment and went of half cocked.

How many times do you have to embarass yourself like this before you learn to just cut it out?

[Secret Kiel]

I think I'll take a leaf out of Firemans book and take a wide birth from convo with you as it gets too wierd.

You should.

You're just not smart enough to play these little childish games that you resort to constantly.

What happened here is that you embarrassed yourself. You failed to consider that I wasn't attending a school boy match to watch King. He was on the opposition team.

But being the rookie that you are, you thought you had a gotcha moment and went of half cocked.

How many times do you have to embarass yourself like this before you learn to just cut it out?

Pffft.

[asiu]

i enjoyed that

[theoracle]

King is very raw and unfortunately not the fast developing type like Roo was.

How on earth do you know??

[Teflon]

I think I'll give Barry a wide berth.

Something........Foxxy bout Barry...

[WellardSaint]

i enjoyed that

They hijacked the thread